Are Bush, Cheney having a major feud?

[scoopmeister]

http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytood/archives/002404.html

Dick Cheney and George W. Bush don't like each other anymore.

And a war between these two superpowers could be the politically version of MAD: Mutually assured destruction. But this time, the fallout could make America better in the long-run.

Or not.

What hard, inside information do we have? None. The evidence is circumstantial, but it is getting stronger by the day. And you don't need the National Weather Service to know which way the wind's blowin'.

[DoYouEverWonder]

1. I'm sure there is no love lost between the two

For numerous reasons, I would assume that they barely tolerate each other to begin with. Now that indictments are come, it's just a matter of who can stab who in the back first.

[mattclearing]

2. Interesting read. Recommended. n/t

[Ready4Change]

3. Cheney distancing himself from DC.

Two reasons.

1. Plame investigation is set to blow. He's staying out of dodge, in hopes of dodging being connected. But you can bet, remotely, he is doing all he can to be sure Fitzgerald doesn't indict him.

2. Setting up Bush for the fall. Cheney see's that this scam of an administration is about all burnt out. It's time to collect the goods and bail out. However, to bail out clean, someone has to be set up to catch all the wrath that will follow. And THAT has always been my guess at why Dubya has been kept in this gig all along. Just smart enough to execute his orders, just dumb enough to be left behind as a pigeon.

And poor old Unca Dick will hobble off on his "bad knees" into supposed obscurity.

[hang a left]

9. How would you reconcile this theory with.....

HW being good friends with Cheney?

[Ready4Change]

27. HW?

If you mean GW, Dubya, I'd say Cheney has long been friendly Uncle Dick. Dubya, with a naive belief in loyalty, implicitly trusts that Cheney won't hang him out to dry. That trust may soon be proven ill founded.

If by HW you meant Bush Sr., I think both are business men, and tacitly understand that family is second to business. Nothing personal necessarily involved when a business decision must be made. And Bush Sr. has a long history of dusting Jr. off after a fiasco. Junior will be tucked away someplace asap and given a staff charged with keeping him away from the spotlights as much as practical, and making his few public moments as harmless as possible.

If HW was someone else, please clarify?

[MADem]

34. Cheney was HW's SECDEF during GW1

They go back a LOOOOOOOOOONG way....

[hang a left]

38. Yes, I meant Poppy

Sorry for the late response I didn't see your reply until just now

[Ready4Change]

43. Thanks!

I'd figured that out in the meantime, but good to have it verified.

:)

[serryjw]

4. Actually this makes

sense if you remember the Tuesday of the Katrina Hurricane week Chaney bought a new house in the same area as Rummy (Maryland) which leads you to believe that he will not be in the VP house for another 3 years. I always thought he would step down after 2006. Politically, the next GOP nominee should be in a high profile position.

[MADem]

5. I think the monkey will pick Condi if Dick goes nt

[serryjw]

8. Lets think about this.......

My contention is (if Chaney goes) that he will be replaced with someone who has a great chance at the 2008 GOP nomination and is not currently in a job(needs exposure)...........Time's up




Rudy Giuliani


Condi has a job
Jeb has a job
Frist has a job
McCain has a job

[Ganja Ninja]

11. If Giuliani wants to have any chance of winning in 08 he needs ...

to stay as far away from the Bush White House as possible. The only way he gets involved is after both Bush and Cheney are forced to resign. Then he could be a VP nomination at best

[Captain Hilts]

13. Bush WH HATES Guiliani. He was more presidential on 9/11. nt

[Timmy5835]

31. Rudy will NEVER get it.

Remember, he's pro-choice, anti-gun. The GOP will NEVER stand for that.

[MADem]

33. Rudy will be named queen for a day before BUSHCO backs him for Prez

Married three times, WAY too liberal to hold the fundy base, all sorts of skeletons in his closet, and as a poster above said, more presidential that chumpy on nine one one.

Condi, on the other hand, does have a job till 08, but she could easily resign to run, she has the BushCo stamp of approval, she has no private life and no history, she has the woman/minority thing going for her (see, we republicans AREN'T REALLY racist misogynists!), and last but not least, she does what she is told.

Plus, if Hillary gets the Dem nom, they can play that tired old female catfight game in the media.

[tenshi816]

40. The Repubs will lose the South if they run Condi.

Seriously. Some of the south is progressive, but much of it is just as racist as ever. They're just better at hiding it nowadays. There are plenty of Republicans who think the Dumbass is the second coming of Christ, but who would stay home on election day if a (gasp!) black (gasp!) woman were the Republican presidential candidate.

I can see many Freeper heads exploding if it comes down to a Hillary v. Condi face-off.

[MADem]

41. I don't really think so--they will regard her as a tool, not a person

They will justify their vote by saying that anything is better than Hillary, or whatever Democratic candidate ends up with the nom. The demonization will be in full swing, and they will view her as a front woman, taking orders from the fatcats in the smoky back room.

Those that cannot bear to vote for her will simply stay home or vote for some whacko fundy third party type, probably on a write in because the clown will be so out there he won't even have enough signatures to be placed on the ballot.

[tenshi816]

42. I partly agree with you,

especially what you said in your second paragraph - you nailed that one.

I'm not so sure about your first paragraph. I've lived in England for a long time, but I grew up in Georgia and know what people are like in rural areas there - completely different from Atlanta and Athens - and I'd be willing to bet it's the same in the rest of the south. Outside of the more progressive cities, it might as well be the 1950s or, hell, pre-Civil War. Whether she's a party tool or not, I can't see southern Republicans going for Condi, especially not white male rural voters. It goes against everything they've been taught their entire lives.

Of course, this makes me kind of hope Rice is the Republican nominee. It would split the vote and I'm not even sure Diebold could fix it for them.

[ikri]

44. Wonder if they'd dare

Use a sitting Governor, senator or congresscritter?

* isn't exactly mr popularity right now and being forced to replace a VP in dubious circumstances wouldn't do much to raise that popularity. Wouldn't choosing a sitting politician as a new VP require a special election to choose a replacement?

Would they risk Florida (where *'s approval is at 39%) to the Democrats by selecting Jeb as VP? *'s approval in Arizona is at 44%, would they select McCain as VP knowing there was a chance they'd lose that senatorial seat?

Of course, they could be really evil and choose Lieberman. They'd gain a very right-wing centrist politician to whom they can delegate very few tasks without risking a senate seat and at the same time appear as uniters in some people's eyes.

[Robeysays]

24. it would be the speaker of the house.

order of succession.

[serryjw]

32. Sorry, we miss-understand

line of succession. That only applies if the pResident & VP can not fulfill their duties. If Chaney steps down Bushit appoints another VP of his choosing

[Neil Lisst]

6. scoopmeister, that was an excellent read. Thanks.

There is definitely something amiss in the land of Bush and Cheney.

Karl Rove is the person who has motive and opportunity to bend Bush's ear to place blame on Libby and Cheney. We can only imagine what Bush has been hearing. Of course, Bush and Cheney would never actually talk about it face to face.

Cheney is tied into the old line conservatives in the pub party than Bush is. This appointment of Miers had to throw gasoline on this fire.


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today I shout out to posters at DU
http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst/

[serryjw]

22. The religious Bushit

maybe getting to Chaney...You're right about being an old neo-con. If the gossip that Bushit is walking around the WH talking to god is correct; Chaney may have had it. Bushit was never the REAL pResident.Chaney was. Bushit was only a means to an end. These guys want to control the planet..If you were THEM would you trust Bushit with this task? Just a reminder...Bush-41 was pro-choice before Reagan drafted him..These guys could care less about social issues as long as it keep the masses distracted.They USE the issues to suit themselves and their goals.They would drowned Ralph Reed in (Grover's bathtub)and not think twice.

[Neil Lisst]

35. serryjw, it may be the religious stuff, or ...

... or Cheney may see this as stopping him from becoming president.

Maybe Bush will step down to devote himself full time to butchering the English language.

http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst/

[serryjw]

36. Neil I vacillate back & forth on that

Chaney has been pResident for 8 years, he is old, sick and plan tired. I think his purchasing of a home in Maryland should tell us he has had it...He certainly, doesn't need the money. B/T Halliburton, and a pension for the Senate & VP he has plenty of money

[cynatnite]

7. Watch the clips from last night's Hardball...

Two of the panelists believe there has been a split in the WH. One of them, can't remember who, said that bush sent an aid to tell Cheney who was nominated for the SC job. That was previously unheard of from what they've said.

You can find the clips here:

http://www.canofun.com/blog/default.asp

[HardWorkingDem]

10. Now why would you ask if they were having a "major affair"?!?!

How could you think such a thing. GWB has been said to be the fittest president in US history. How could you think that he'd want to bed down with an old and flabby Cheney?

And look at his Bush's babe wife. Now, some of my friends say she looks like she is half crazy, but I tell them that only means she is a tiger in the bedroom.

Oh, wait a minute.....you asked "major FEUD".....oh well, maybe it's a "major feud" over their "major affair"...

[Cronus Protagonist]

16. easy - Cheney has a preternaturally large cock

Just what I heard and some of the photographic evidence was certainly quite convincing.

=Mr.

[HardWorkingDem]

37. oh...people like him...

are the sort who use a sock so they can increase their feelings of masculinity.....

[confludemocrat]

12. So Bush is a failure even in Cheney's eyes? That's sayin' sumpin'! n/t

[HereSince1628]

14. Is there a Shakespeare play with a similar plot?

:popcorn:

[dretceterini]

17. This seems like an episode

of Blackadder

[HereSince1628]

23. That is a lower blow.

[catmandu57]

15. It wouldn't suprise me

Only the guilty know who they are for sure, at the present time, and there's a time bomb set to explode. They're so damn busy covering their own asses right now, trying with herculean effort to place blame on anybody else, it's a damn good thing there's not a crisis that needs attention.
We would see a worse responce than after Katrina.

[existentialist]

18. "recently elevated from speculation to gossip"

Well, maybe. We can hope.


I don't think that anyone can realistically rely on this story.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

19. This is interesting...

...I've wondered about the dynamic between Rove, Cheney and the Chimp. I suspect Cheney and Rove have never liked each other and compete jealously for the Chimp's ear. Over the last five years it would not be hard to believe that Cheney and Rove have each seized every opportunity to negatively influence the Chimp's opinion of the other. I'd guess Karl's a bit better at this sort of game than Uncle Dick, hence, Cheney has fallen out of favor. Pure speculation, but not hard to imagine.

[Ksec]

20. Theres no rift other than a power struggle tween rove and cheney

Number 2's always compete for the boss's attention and both of these guys are fanatics about power. Thats my opinion anyway. And with the indictments coming theyre in survival mode .

One can only hope they all go down.

[loudsue]

28. You're leaving out Scooter Libby...who is every bit as nasty as

Cheney OR Rove, but like a Brown Recluse Spider, he hates being in the spotlight...preferring to spin his evil webs away from the eye of the public.

There can be no doubt that, while Rove and Libby were likely working TOGETHER on outing Plame, as they have done on other dirty dealings, the two of them both support different masters.

Libby doesn't so much compete with Cheney, as the two of them make a good team. But Rove and Libby compete with each other in protecting their boss's turf, and no doubt Rove competes with Cheney for influence, even though Rove is no competition for the older, more experienced, more powerful, and more sinister (we're just talking degrees of evil here) Cheney.

I've thought about something: As vendictive as Bush is, and if indeed he and Cheney/Libby are really feuding, wouldn't it be funny as hell if Cheney and Libby took the fall for some of this, and Bush refused to pardon them??? If he just let them rot in jail? :rofl: You KNOW he would pardon Rove. But I still don't think the chimp is going to take a fall for this.


:kick:

[afdip]

21. let the blood-letting begin . . . .

[mshasta]

25. the democrats can use this ...

wide open opportunity but....they won’t….

[mmonk]

26. They are cornered and getting crossed up

Rove vs. Cheney, Rove vs. Libby, Hannah vs. Libby. Rove vs. Cooper? Miller vs. ? That's the great thing that is happening. Self preservation equals turning on each other in various ways. Nobody wants to go down for this.

[loudsue]

29. "Nobody wants to go down for this."

No, you're right, they don't. But they know someone has to be sacrificed. Theirs is the law of the jungle, and they all knew the rules going in.

I hope they're all suffering and losing sleep. They've certainly done worse to the rest of humanity via their policies and wars and crimes.

:kick:

[sellitman]

30. When i showed this story to my friend i said.....

I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I
wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and
guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,
KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL."

Oh boy...Arlo would be proud!

:popcorn: :rofl:

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. This just keeps getting beter and better, Popcorn anyone?

:popcorn:

[FreedomAngel82]

45. Yep

What I found interesting is how at a press conference Bush did with Cheney there Cheney wasn't around him like usual. I wouldn't be surprised. It would be nice. ;)