Bush on MSNBC to Matt Lauer: "We are planning all this out..."

[Pachamama]

I was just watching Matt Lauer interviewing Bush and Pickles on MSNBC as Dim Sun and Stepford wife stand there at a Habitat for Humanity project for victims of Hurricane Katrina. Aside from the absolutely nauseating and so incredibly obvious and desperate PR blitz this failing Administration is trying to push on us right now by having them going around to all the networks and promoting Bush's "8th" trip to New Orleans since Katrina hit, Bush is standing there promoting his "Agenda".

On the question of readiness in the event of another natural disaster or a terrorist attack, Bush answered Matt Lauer with those words above that sent shivers down my spine....

He told Matt Lauer that only the Federal Gov't can respond in time and quickly to emergencies. "The Military cannot be used for law enforcement on US Soil" he continued...(smirk, smirk...."so therefore there are going to need to be laws changed"....

"We are planning all this out...." Bush went on to saying....

- yeah, I bet he and the Neo-cons sure are planning this all out...I have long believed that they have their eyes set on eliminating the Posse Comitatus Act that prohibits the use of the US Military on US Soil in a law enforcement capacity....and I'm certain they are trying to figure out how to "change" that law to give them more power....

I shudder at this thought....I only pray that our fellow Americans wake up soon and see what this dangerous President and his fascist cronies are trying to do....

:scared:

[DebJ]

1. Seeing Asswipe associated with Habitat for Humanity makes me

just puke. Would YOU want to live in a house HE put a nail in?

This is Carter's domain. That man actually WORKS with Habitat.

Bush could build better snake and lizard holes, not houses.

[ClintonTyree]

6. Do you honestly think he'd ever pick up a hammer....

to help build a house for a POOR person? :wow: No, that's not the bush family way. All they're good at is DESTROYING things, not building them.
He'll soak it all up for a photo-op though, but he's gone to that well a few too many times lately. No one's buying it anymore, he may as well go back to the ranch for another "well deserved" vacation. :eyes:

[Lisa]

27. the last time, he ended up squashing his thumb after 10 minutes ...

... and had to stop working. (This was at the Waco Habitat build back in August 2001.)

[wtmusic]

2. freaky

any new laws touching Posse Comitatus must be defeated. Period.

[Vincardog]

3. WE see it and have been fighting it at every turn for 5 years.

[fooj]

38. Yep. It has been pretty exhausting.

But every moment is worth the battle is we can stop this rat bastard.

Peace.

[loudsue]

4. HE SAID THAT??????

We need to BLAST all of our congresscritters on this....on BOTH sides of the aisle!!! This is NOT ACCEPTABLE TO AMERICANS!!!!

We'll DEAL with storm disasters! We don't need to change the frikkin' constitution to do it!! Only REPUBLICANS would want to change the constitution because they are too frikkin' incompetent to deal with a hurricane problem!!

:kick:

[shance]

7. I second that.....HE SAID THAT??????

WHo has the toll free number to Washington along with fax and email addresses.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

12. Bush raising internal military intervention again & again is alarming!

According to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act">Wikipedia Posse Comitatus article, it is an 1878 law and not part of the constitution.

Exceptions where the military may be used:

• National Guard units while under the authority of the governor of a state;
  
• Troops when used pursuant to the Federal authority to quell domestic violence as was the case during the 1992 Los Angeles riots;
  
• The President of the United States can waive this law in an emergency;
  
• Under 18 USC 831, the Attorney General may request that the Secretary of Defense provide emergency assistance if civilian law enforcement is inadequate to address certain types of threat involving the release of nuclear materials, such as potential use of a Nuclear or Radiological weapon. Such assistance may be by any personnel under the authority of the Department of Defense, provided such assistance does not adversely affect US military preparedness.
  

That Bush would want to change this law that is 127 years old is alarming to say the least!

Is it all secret plans or are there any indications of what changes he is proposing?

[Marie26]

36. He also wanted to federalize La. National Guard troops during Katrina n/t

[Pachamama]

13. Yes, he said it, and my hunch is that he will keep on saying it until it

will somehow sink into the sub-concious of most Americans who will then think its a good thing and not even realize the real agenda and implications related to Posse Comitatus and why it even exists...

[jbnow]

25. He does keep saying it over and over

at every chance, at times that make mo since. Ever since Katina. He really, really wants that power handed to him...and will try to scare us into it.

After 9/11 he got the Patriot act.
After fake Iraq/WMD/9/11 ties scares he got the act allowing him to use force.

And he REALLY wants this.

Soon after the earthquake hit the news were showing angry citizens yelling and blocking roads because they had been forced to wait so long. Of course they had no way of knowing how widespread the devastation was. But I thought of them so angry after 2 days.

I realized people stuck in New Orleans forced to wait so long (and the press being there) probably really screwed up bushgang's hopes. Day after day they didn't riot. They were angry and scared and asking for help but they didn't riot. Perhaps such chaos is what they bushites were waiting/hoping for...really. Then they get the power to go in with the military and take over...and get that made into policy.

Gee, shame on those poor, disabled, hungry, thirsty mostly black folks in horrible conditions. Can't even count on them to riot for bush.

[liveoaktx]

14. VIDEO clip of that part

Planning

[Pachamama]

21. Thank you for posting the video clip of him saying this!

Watching it again made me ill, but like I said in this original post, Bush's statements are disturbing indeed....its subtle, and when you listen closely, you realize the messages and implications of what he is really saying....

[Beam Me Up]

57. Watching him under any circumstances makes me sick, too -- and THIS

just makes me retched. THEY ARE SETTING US UP FOR THE NEXT BIG ONE. While our National Guard is under siege in Iraq, the military must govern "in case of catastrophic event" here at home. BYE BYE, pretense of Democracy, HELLO FACIST STATE!!

So long America.

[liberal N proud]

5. We are planning all this out + there are going to need to be laws changed

= Military rule - end of state rights - end of civil liberties - end of the republic.

[Pachamama]

9. My translation precisely....

...I also believe that often Bush and his neocon cabal start chatting away and if they get off of "script", they often use words that are actually very precise descriptions of their "intentions"....

[Z_I_Peevey]

43. Things would be a lot easier if this was a dictatorship,

just so long as I'm the dictator. Heh, heh, heh.

December, 2000, George W. Bush

[SpiralHawk]

8. K & R

Good careful listening, Pacamama Condor.

Eagle Hawk Spiraling.

Nota Bene.

Meegwich.

[Pachamama]

10. We have to listen carefully and pay close attention....

....because if we don't, we are in big trouble...

I found these comments very troubling indeed....

Interestingly enough, I was sitting in the other room doing something and walked over to the TV when I heard Lauer asking * a question about the investigation into Karl Rove....

Then Lauer started asking questions about "emergency preparedness"...

These words jumped out at me....they might not to most people, especially those not paying attention.

I do believe they are planning and they are "on plan"....

PS: You know about the Condor, eh? :hi:

[flordehinojos]

11. Bush's fascist soul, his evil spirited,power grabbed residency at the oval

office, his lying mouth ... his presence in a habitat for humanity project, all, place an undue stain on one of Jimmy Carter's most giving projects. It was, Jimmy Carter, after all, who founded the Habitat for Humanity Project.

The Evil, Evil Bushes stop at nothing to claim credit for things they do not believe in and things they do not care about, if those things happen to, in their minds, give them a rise in their acceptance by the rest of humanity!

Jimmy Carter has in fact, built some of those Habitat for Humanity Homes. He has put in his sweat into some of those homes. Bush probably threw the hammer out and screwed away as soon as Matt Lauer focused his camera on someone else.

[Larkspur]

15. Bush may be planning on changing that law, but direct military rule in the

US is as unsustainable as it is in Iraq. The military is stretched thin now, so it is completely unfeasable. This goal of Bush's is a desperate act that will backfire on him due to the reality of the military being stretched thin.

If Bush's poll numbers were still in the 80's, he could get away with this goal, like Hitler did, but today Bush is about as popular as President John Adams was after enforcing the Alien and Sedition Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts.

John Adams, lost popular support and was ousted by Thomas Jefferson. Also Adams' party, The Federalists, eventually went extinct due to the backlash over this Act.

While I am concerned that Bush wants to implement martial law, he won't be able to sustain it. He could also find a mutiny at his doorstep.

[mestup]

19. Agree. The * Administration is like a bad remake of Donnie Brasco.

I think there's a disconnect between the hardcore PNACers and Bush and his WH frat friends.

Bush puppets the "plan," for his handlers but I don't think he himself really "gets it." He's screwing up so badly in the press, etc.

I think the wizards behind his screen have a hard time getting through to him over the sounds of "friends of ours" smashing parking meters in the Oval Office.

[Cha]

60. Someone is putting these

words into bush's mouth..and whom or whatever seem to think in terms of delusions of grandeur.

It just irks the hell outta me to have that little monster of there talkin' out the side of his mouth about militarizing the USA.

[underpants]

16. I watched it as I was getting dressed for work

It was funny that Lauer continued to ask him political questions. Finally W said "You sure are quoting a lot of Democrats" in an effort to once again portray himself as the victim. Imagine that-asking questions about politics in the middle of a political photo op.

Did you notice not only the jaw going but the nostril clearing snorts off to the side? I was a bit shocked not to see something abouth that here on DU this morning.

[Swamp Rat]

17. Stay the fuck outta my city!

MURDERER!!!

[Pachamama]

23. Stay the fuck out of my country!

:grr:

PS: On edit: Stay the fuck off of our planet, out of our Universe....

Hi Swamp'r - you doing okay?

[Swamp Rat]

29. Just raging against the machine

I'm pissed off... it's a normal state of being for me now, since Bushler destroyed my city and murdered my people. :grr:

[Pachamama]

31. Me too....

I go back and forth between outrage and disbelief and numbness....

I've been keeping busy with the Pachababies and have had Pachafamily visiting the Bay Area, but I follow what's going on and can't stomach it most of the time....

Been wondering how you have been...

:hug:

[Swamp Rat]

32. Hug the Pachababies for me

:hug:

It's not easy... thanks for asking. :hug:

[indepat]

18. Wonder if W will have the same lifetime commitment to Habitat that Jimmy

has had.

[Pachamama]

24. No, W had his 15 minutes of committment while squeezing out whatever photo

op he could gain there....

I'm sure that dim sun has never even contributed any time or money to Habitat for Humanity.....knowing its associated with Jimmy Carter (founded by him no less) probably irks *.

[bluedawg12]

20. Posse comitatus act was already being challanged in Katrina

radicalrightwingers were saying it was written in the 1800's regarding voting issues and is suspended during times of national disaster.

i am sure the robber-ts court and Harry-ette will agree.

[EVDebs]

22. Article 'Foundations are in place for martial law in US'

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/27/1027497418339.html?oneclick=true

shows ole Ollie North following up on the Reagan 'Operation Garden Plot' and 'Operation Cable Splicer' schemes using FEMA as the operating agency for suspension of the Constitution.

Lovely bunch. Suspend the Constitution ? These guys call themselves defenders of freedom ? And all along I thought Bush took an oath to preserve protect and defend the Constitution. How does martial law and *-canning the Constitution connect ?

Only in rightwingnut-land.

[EVDebs]

30. Posse Comitatus used to roust Bonus Army of 1932

Bush doesn't have a problem with rousting protesters or demonstrators

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Expeditionary_Force

[Marr]

26. Sickening how that whore Lauer eased the idea in, like it's no big deal.

And no follow-up, no probing about why the little wannabee dictator feels justified in ending a 120-year old law that many would argue is essential to our Republic's longevity.

[TrogL]

28. What do these trips actually accomplish?

Granted, while he's doing that (or hanging out in elementary school classrooms (see other thread)) he's not causing other trouble.

[CrispyQ]

33. This would be a good item for the DU Activists & for everyone

concerned about this issue.

We need to seriously get the message out there, via LTTEs, calls in to radio shows, etc & educate the public exactly what the Posse Comitatus Act is & the implications of boosh changing it. Fuck the media for not doing their job!



I think I will start on my letter this evening & hope everyone on this thread does the same!

[Disturbed]

35. Posse Comitatus Act

The Neo Fascist cabal controlling the sock puppet Prez. would love to get rid of that Act because they do not believe in a democratic representative Govt. Amerika is an Oligarchy and the only thing preventing it from becoming a Fascist Police State is the US Constitution and The Bill of Rights. Amerika is in peril!

[SpiralHawk]

34. We should write to Matt Lauer and send him links to this thread

He should be very interested in this discussion.

Anyone have his e-mail address?

[fooj]

37. Over my dead body you rat bastard!!!

Military cannot be used for law enforcement on US Soil" he continued...(smirk, smirk...."so therefore there are going to need to be laws changed"....


What an ass.

[Nightjock]

39. Why the FUCK does he smirk and grin?!

Even when he is talking about death and destruction?

I would love to hear how a pyschologist interprets that.

He is an evil, disgusting man. Anyone that supports him is either dumb or a racist of the worst kind that loves seeing non white people killed. Plain and simple.

God forgive me. I HATE HIM.

[Marie26]

42. The body language was very weird

He stammered for the first time while saying "there may be a catastroph-trophic event" & also "that the federal government's got to - that ONLY the federal government's got the capacity." He didn't stutter anywhere else in the speech. Bush doesn't seem to stammer usually, so this must be one point he is especially nervous/emotional about. Also, why is this such an interesting question to him?

[Pachamama]

52. Yes, indeed, the body language and stammering is very weird...

and his reference to a "catastrophi-trophic event" is creepy....

Why indeed.....:scared:

[Marie26]

55. Washington Post just printed column on this!

The WP column is about Bush's odd body language during this interview. This columnist went a little further; he even counted the blinks! Although the column doesn't mention the "catastrophic event" part, it does note Bush's uneasiness & twitchiness in general. I think it says something that the mainstream media is beginning to pick up on this. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/11/AR2005101101577.html?nav=most_emailed_emailafriend

[Pachamama]

59. ROFL! This article written in the WP today is by Dana Milbank! Guess this

is ole' Dana's Mea Culpa after some of his a-hole articles like the one on the day after the DSM hearings from Conyers!

Okay, folks....if ole Dana is writing about the twitching, the shifting, the blinking etc. and general "odd body language", you know that things are starting to unravel.....

I also love the reference to the White House Press Corp being "kept at a distance" later after this interview w/ Lauer....

:rofl:

Please pass the popcorn folks....we at the DU have been waiting long and hard for the unraveling publicly....I personally am sitting on the edge of my seat for what Mr. Fitzgerald will be bringing to our Administration in the coming weeks.... :popcorn:

[Pachamama]

53. Sociopath & Narcissistic Personality Disorder

Those are the two things that a Psychologist has stated to me about his diagnosis of Dim Sum...

In fact, one day to explain to me the thought process of a sociopath, my Psychologist engaged in a "mock discussion" with a sociopath. He pretended to be Bush and asked me to ask any question on any topic....we went through question after question and it was remarkable how he deflected and deferred and how righteous and justified he would answer questions.

The point he was trying to demonstrate was that Sociopaths (in particular narcissitic ones) will answer and how they think. And worst of all, they really believe the shit they spew....they can never be wrong!

[Z_I_Peevey]

62. I'd like to hear more from mental health professionals

about what happens when sociopaths 'break down.'

I know this is rare, but what does it look and sound like when a sociopath hits the big wall of reality and crumbles?

[Javaman]

40. instead of flying there for photo-ops, why doesn't the moron*...

take the money it would have cost for his* 8 fucking trips and help out the families of those that lost everything???

I know the answer, but I just had to say it. He* is such a fucking vile pile of scum*.

colossal racist paranoid asshole failure*.

[patricia92243]

41. I have heard that this what Hitler did-change the law, therefore whatever

he did was "legal." Scary stuff. Really, really scary. Makes me feel kinda sick to my stomach type of scary.

[il_lilac]

44. Who CAN stop him?

Can't he just do this without congressional approval?

[Ikonoklast]

45. The right to keep and bear arms

was intentioned for the people not only to defend the Republic when called upon, but also making it possible for civilians to retain the means to oppose a tyrannical government.

Change laws, huh? The next thing the Thugs will do is attack gun ownership in the name of "National Security". I'm waiting for the next terror attack on our country as the pretext.

If the military is granted police powers by this government, a Civil War the likes of which the world has never seen will erupt on our own soil.

[PatriotMom]

46. Yes you are right on the money....

Lock and Load seems to be the thing to get ready for unfortunately. A friend of mine told me that 22 shells some day would be more valuable than gold. You can't really reload them and everyone has a 22 rifle or hand carry. Good for hunting and self protection if need be, and inexpensive.

[TheCentepedeShoes]

65. IMO the first act

would be to eliminate sales of guns and ammo. Don't want that stuff to fall into the hands of "terrists." Since there's no national registry of existing gun ownership it would take a house-to-house search to confiscate weapons. But after your ammo is gone your gun is only good for bashing someone over the head.

[Vektor]

47. I often wonder...

what will happen when the Repukes finally realize what I have been saying all along is true - that if their guns are ever taken away, it is NOT going to be by a "bunch of liberals" - it is going to be by a group of power-mad right-wingers declaring Martial Law.

[Ikonoklast]

48. Bang on the mark

They will be blind-sided by those that they trusted to look out for their rights for so long, and it will be too late.

I have always felt that the Democratic Party needs to be the party of responsible gun ownership and win back the sportsmen of this country into the fold. We are missing out on a huge single-issue voting bloc, and could use these votes in swing states to great advantage. At the least, it would negate a wedge issue with this segment of voters.

Maybe, just maybe, some of them will wake up to this and see that Pukes would throw gun owners under the bus if it meant keeping themselves and their friends in power for ever.

[Vektor]

49. Absolutely -

The whole "single issue voting bloc" astounds me to no end, since this isn't even a valid issue to begin with. Not meaning that gun rights are not important, but that the myth that "Democrats want to take your guns" is just that - a myth. It's perpetuated by the right wing to scare all these "law and order" types into believing that Dems want to strip them of their weapons and leave them unarmed and vulnerable to criminals. You've heard the right wing talking point "If you make it a crime to own guns, only criminals will have them."

They use this tactic to prey on the paranoia of these fundies who live in constant fear that "bad guys" are going to invade their homestead. It's amazing how many severely misguided people actually vote solely on the basis of this mythos when there are far more important and REALISTIC issues affecting America. Like whether or not people have jobs, health care, FOOD, and HEAT in the winter. In other words, we will NEVER lose the right to bear arms unless the Reich Wingers decide, "game's over", and declare martial law. No Democrat who will ever run for President will ever have any interest in confiscating weapons from law abiding citizens. EVER.

It's absurd that these people even get sucked into believing that it's a possibility.

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. Mention NOLA, federal agents did

exactly that and all we heard from the NRA were CRICKETS

[Skip Intro]

50. "The Military cannot be used for law enforcement on US Soil" - hence NO

(New Olreans) anarchy - or reported anarchy.

The murders and rapes, especially the rapes, sounded like bullshit to me all along. But it was important to paint the situation among "those people" as savage. Important goal, but they failed for the most part.

It just blows me away that our government tried to cover its ass and/or advance its agenda by elusively arguing the people weren't worth saving.

[Oilwellian]

51. I wonder...

while they're "planning all this out" are they also scheduling for a few indictments heading their way?

[Algorem]

56. He's so brain-damaged that he says things he's not supposed to admit

to in public,just to fill in spaces in interviews when he can't think of anything to say.I would've liked to see Rove's face when he heard Bush say that.

[goforit]

58. Don't bother Bush, We don't want any of Your help!!!

[Cookie wookie]

61. All the evidence would support his comment that "they"

were planning this all out, from the beginning:
1) Lack of response to warnings about Al Qaeda attacking the U.S.
2) Effective stand down of the miliary on 9/11
3) Immediate speech Bush made at the school on 9/11 about hunting down terrorists and those who support them
4) The patriot act already written (they couldn't have put it together in a few days, after all)
5) Obstructing investigations into how 9/11 was allowed to happen (other than to blame laws on sharing information between the FBI and CIA and thus justifying the patriot act, which wasn't needed if everyone had been doing their jobs
6) The Pentagon obstructing investigations into knowledge about the terrorists before 9/11
7) Torture & appointing Gonzales as attorney general
8) Rumsfeld vs. Padilla & Supreme court (arguing that Bush can seize and hold US citizens without due process because they are alleged enemy combatants in the never-ending war on terrorism
9) loading the supreme court with rubber stamp appointees (next time the Rumsfeld vs Padilla or similar case comes up the supreme court may very well say * has that power.
10) undermining the power of states by destroying the national guard's strength
11) starting and keeping going the endless war in Iraq, which is draining the treasury (bankrupting the country and making the corporations and the Pentagon more powerful cripples the states and US citizens ability to protect themselves from a banana republic kind of military/corporate takeover
12) undermining FEMA's ability to respond through defunding, putting it under Homeland Security, and appointing unqualified leaders. Their spectacular failure was no accident.
13) using large numbers of mercenaries (privitizing) warriors in Iraq

So far the republicans who have all the control in Congress have rubber stamped everything. We have no reason to believe they won't continue to do so.

They've been thinking this all out alright. If they succeed, the American people will have no ability to fight them because we'll be living under their laws, with their judges, and under the power of rich corporations and the Pentagon.

Eisenhower warned of this. Now it is happening.

"Crises there will continue to be. In meeting them, whether foreign or domestic, great or small, there is a recurring temptation to feel that some spectacular and costly action could become the miraculous solution to all current difficulties...."

"This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."

http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html

[Pachamama]

63. I want to know who "they" are....

There has never been a doubt of "they"....and there is no doubt (or should be no doubt) that dim son is completely incapable of having planned or thought anything out on his own....

PS: Good List....

[symbolman]

64. Suppose that ordinary citizens

decided to have a "Neighborhood Civil Patrol" group. This is sheer conjecture of course. But if this Group of let's say Veterans and regular folks decided that just in case "terrorists" were to come into their area in Heavy Numbers, and heavily armed that this Neighborhood group had some sort of plan to protect each city block, or ten city blocks from attacks..

Sort of like USA Patriots against possible "terrorist" infiltration.

What if that group in every part of the country was prepared in the event of a "terrorist" invasion, wouldn't that be a good idea?

I mean back in the Cold War days as a kid we have Civil Patrol guys, usually older men who would run around and tell people to douse lights, or get into their bunkers/basements so that we could protect our areas from attack.

I personally own a gun, and I'd be damned if I'd let a group of mauraders invade my area, and I've had some military training, and it would seem that as an American Patriot in times of peril it wouldn't matter if you were a republican or a liberal with a weapon - the point would be to protect your area against attacks by of course "terrorists".

I wonder if there would be some way to organize something like that down to the last city block, maybe with communication folks (handheld ham radios work really good) to assist in proper deployment of Home Field "Vigilantes", like the ones that got the Govt nod to protect the borders - if we can do that with citizens in our cities and rural areas, suburbs and small towns.

I mean I don't think Bush is going to protect us, which he's shown as late, and if the police get too busy then we should be prepared to protect ourselves maybe with some Veterans to lead us plain old citizens should the need arise.

What if the "terrorists" dressed up just like our own troops to effect an attack? How would we know?

Perhaps we'd be of great help to the Troops quartered in our homes - of course we should always act in complete accord and compliance with the Constitution, that's what Bush swore to -- but to be honest, when I joined the military, I swore to uphold the oath to protect America from enemies "within and without" I meant every word of it.

I would hope that Bush would have some plan to protect us, but perhaps we as citzens should have one JUST IN CASE something goes wrong.

Look at NO, even the cops were on a rampage - a citizen's minuteman brigade in every sector of the United States may be in order.

Within the scope of all laws, of course, but if the world suddenly became "lawless" we might all need to protect each other and band together to do it, why not in advance?

Even the Boy Scouts like to "be prepared".. :)