What the Hell's Going on In New Jersey??

[DemocracyInaction]

This a.m. Imus (who had Corsine on the other day)was presenting Forrester. He read a new poll showing Corsine at 44% and Forrester at 43%. And of course, the big issue was TAXES. I'm so shitin' sick of this 'tax' crap. All the morons fall for it and go out and vote Repuke and then live to find out that it all goes to the rich and that in the end they have to make it up and then some with things like jacked up property taxes, etc. I was afraid that even with all the crap coming down on Bush and Republican scum like Frist, DeLay, Rove, etc. that the sheep still will go to the voting booth and vote Republican. Apparently, anti-Bush doesn't translate into pro-Democrat. I certainly hope this wrong BUT if it isn't like mega-mega wrong with Corsine burying this guy, then it makes me very nervous for '06 and '08. How utterly stupid can people be.........More to the point, how much more do they need to be kicked and smashed by the Republicans to wake up??

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. One poll...

Was an outlier. Ver small sample number.

[Freddie Stubbs]

14. Earlier polls have shown a tightening race, but

not that tight. Crozine no longer has the huge lead that the used to.

[blm]

2. I would submit that the poll is full of shit. Corzine has that race bagged

.

[NNadir]

4. I certainly hope so.

However it is worrisome to recall that the worthless piece of shit Whitman - Christy the Coal queen - surprised everyone by winning the governorship on exactly that issue.

The result is that New Jersey is broke, and she of course is off at some country club somewhere drinking to forget.

[SteppingRazor]

8. Whitman won NJ because of Howard Stern

I know that sounds stupid, but look at the facts:

She was down in the polls.

She went on Stern's show.

Stern then talked her up at least two or three times a week for the several weeks leading up to the election.

Whitman won, with many of the up-until-the-last-minute undecideds saying they heard Whitman on Stern.

[TreasonousBastard]

18. That's part of it, but...

the first race she won by an infinitesmal margin over the most hated governor in recent NJ history. Hands Across NJ kept harping on Florio's toilet paper tax for years, not mentioning how Keane left the budget in a mess and 2 cents extra on a roll of Charmin balanced the budget without hurting anyone.

The second race she won by 20,000 votes, but 30,000 of her votes came fromn the CWA when she made a deal with them.

[NNadir]

21. Well that's news to me. I don't listen to Stern.

[SteppingRazor]

3. I find that extremely difficult to believe...

Corzine has had this bagged for so long, it would be a Truman-over-Dewey moment if Forrester won.

That said, Truman DID beat Dewey...

[WI_DEM]

5. The race is tightening but most polls show Corzine up by 7-8 points

with lots of undecideds. It's the undecideds that are scary.

[SledDriver]

6. Never underestimate the stupidity of other people... n/t

[Dissent Is Patriotic]

7. Corzine's commercial likens Forrester to Bush...

I love the fact that someone is running on being the Anti-Bush. This is a good thing. I wonder if its playing out in commercials around the country?

[Hamlette]

9. Many Americans support tax cuts for the rich because 17% think they

are in the top 1%. True story. Dumb animals we are.

[napi21]

10. Anybody know if this Forrester is related to the Forrester from Pa?

I am originally from Pa. and I remember, a long time ago there was a very prominent politician with the name Doug Forrester. Ran for Gov of Pa. Is this the same guy, or a relative?

BTW, I heard Chuck Todd talk about that poll the other day on Cspan WJ. It's so long until the election, I didn't pay much attention.

[napi21]

11. Delete...dupe.

[napi21]

12. Delete...dupe

[davepc]

13. Taxes are the only issue here in New Jersey.

The reason taxes are the only issue is because they keep getting raised. Whitman cut the sales tax, and local property taxes shot up to cover the difference.

The reason is the extreme inefficiency and corruption that permeates the system from the top down.

The graft and kickbacks, and outright theft are killing this state.

Tony Soprano has more to do with this election then anybody cares to admit.

[TreasonousBastard]

19. Pay to play and machines like...

Norcross, Lesniak and James have a lot to do with it, but don't forget that we have around 650 cities and towns here serving only 8 million people. And each of these towns has a police dept., school board...

There's one town with a school board that doesn't even have a school! They claim they need a board to check up on the towns where they send their kids.

And, we have counties spending even more money.

The ONLY answer to property taxes here is to eliminate a lot of local government. "Home Rule" is not the will of the people, but of town employees afraid they'll lose senority if towns, police departments, schools, public works, etc. merged. The last time a school district around here talked about merging, all the principals and boards started a scare campaign about how everyone's kids were already in the "best" schools and would soon be sent to "That other one." And don't even THINK about merging any of the 600 or so police departments we have here. Or paid vs. volunteer fire departments.

Whitman, like a lot of other governors, mumbled something about reducing local government, but she backed down a day or two later and nothing's been heard about it since.

[Adelante]

15. It's New Jersey - it's all about taxes

Anybody who pays real estate taxes in New Jersey has this as the main issue -- they're through the roof. It's still stupid for the reason you mention, they owe those high taxes to the Republicans. It's up to Corzine to get that through on that point.

[Suziq]

16. Forrester's Commercials . . . .

are a crock of shit! I e-mailed him after I saw one of his earlier commercials and read his property tax proposal. No mention in his proposal how he would fund the schools.

I live in a town in New Jersey where property taxes are very high. People with young kids move here, damn well knowing the taxes are high but want the excellent schools that come from these taxes.

I asked Forrester in my e-mail how he proposed to fund the schools - but then thought, wait a minute - he is a Repuke who would LOVE to see public schools fail.

I am confident Corzine is going to win!



:hippie:

[TreasonousBastard]

17. I'm not in the least surprised...

that the race has gotten so close, although one can quibble about the exact poll numbers.

Corzine's our Senator, after all, and Forrester is a "Who?" political gadfly who's run before, but without the name recognition of a Senator. Now that the race is in full gear, people are finding out who Forrester is, and his numbers naturally rise.

Hunterdon, Warren, and a bunch of other suburban counties are solid Republican, and were waiting for an excuse to go Forrester-- it seems now they have one. It has not gone unnoticed that Corzine bought his Senate seat, and has now bought the Governor nomination.

Forrester's running a brilliant campaign of guilt-by-association, too. Everyone knows about McGreevey's scandals and many suspect that the gay outing thing was a cover for him to get out before indictments started flying. Forrester is talking about generic Democratic corruption, and we all know what that means and no one denies it for a minute. It's hurting Corzine, who has no ties to any particular thievery, but has strong ties to the Democratic machines in several counties.

I never thought this was going to be an easy one. On top of everything else, our interim Governor, Cody, is doing a pretty good job, and Corzine forcing him out of the running has upset some Dem leaders here.

[npincus]

20. G-d help us!

I live in a very Dem town in NJ (Hoboken)and would not vote for Forrester if you beat me over the head with an embryonic stem cell.

That said, NJ property taxes are OUTRAGEOUS... I pay just slightly less for my tiny, 12-foot wide rowhouse than my sister who has a large house on 7 acres in Garrison, NY. Property taxes here in NJ are way fucking over-the-top. My mom who has a house in Queens, about 2x the size of mine pays 1/3 what I do in property tax. So, knuckleheads here in NJ who are only interested in lowering their tax bill may be persuaded by Forrester's sleazy propaganda.

G-d in heaven, I hope not.

[ucmike]

22. taxes, plain and simple

people hear that forrester will reduce property taxes 30% while corzine will leave them where they are.

i laughed when i heard "30%". it immediatley reminded me of bush tax cuts. all i could think was "what do we give up to get that 30% back." even corzines promise to leave them where they are has problems, we have big holes in the state budget, nevermind future expenditures.

of course, there seems to be legit criticisms of both sides. the last couple dem governors haven't exactly been prize winners for us and corruption is rampant on both sides at all levels.

its nj, our politics stinks. towns on either side of mine have had there mayors resign and head to court over money scandals in the last two months. todays courier news has two articles on the cover about them.

i know better, but a 30% tax cut sounds very appealing. i pay just about $5k a year for a 30x120 lot with 2 bdrm, 1 bath house thats ready for a major overhaul. (i mentioned this to an aquaintance who didn't beleive me, he pays less than that for a 14 acre property with a brand new house on it, just over the pa. border.)