Stephanopoulos: Source Says Bush & Cheney Involved in Plamegate

[Samantha]

I feel sure this must have been discussed here and I simply missed it. If so, I apologize. However, in the event this has been overlooked (I can't imagine it) or if you too missed it, you will want to review Stephanopoulos' assertion Sunday on "This Week:"

"Definitely a political problem but I wonder, George Will, do you think it’s a manageable one for the White House especially if we don’t know whether Fitzgerald is going to write a report or have indictments but if he is able to show as a source close to this told me this week, that President Bush and Vice President Cheney were actually involved in some of these discussions."

This site references the above quote and contains the video of Stephanopoulos uttering this assertion to George Will. I personally thought it was bombshell.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/10/02.html#a5192

I can't host this thread tonight, but I wanted to be sure this information had been disseminated here. What I don't understand is this: did not the fact that Stephanopoulos made this statement tacitly extend an invitation to be subpoenaed by Fitzgerald? Would not Fitzgerald want to ask Stephanopoulos under oath who exactly was his source "close to the investigation?"

Is it not obvious that a confidant giving Stephanopoulos this information must be so determined to have the the Bush, Cheney involvement be made public that he was willing to crawl out on a political limb despite the recent Miller incarceration?

Please post your comments here and keep this thread kicked.

[WCGreen]

1. The source could be from the Fitzgerald camp....

[autorank]

2. He won't go after steph. He will after leaks regarding national security

Steph is just being a news person, for a change. Let him go with it. It's good practice.

[Samantha]

5. I asked an attorney this question today

His response was Fitzgerald probably already had the information ....

I don't usually talk politics with people at work, and I was surprised at the relatively low-keyed manner in which he just simply said this.

I personally think this was a huge statement for George to make.

[spindrifter]

3. Listening just to the words

it seems quite possible that they discussed the Wilson issue as in, "D*ck, what do you know about this Joe W*lson thing?" "Gee, Mr. President, I know people are talking about it, but it's nothing to worry about. Sc*oter has it covered. Now moving on..."

[Trajan]

4. An interesting angle ....

Georgie could be called regarding leaks if they become an issue with the defendents, the GJ or the judge ...

We shall see ....

What is of GREATER import: Bush involved ? ... Cheney as well ? ..

SURELY we have all read the rawstory tidbit the last 30 or so hours, but there was no mention of Bush and scant mention of Cheney ....

I of course believe that ALL of them planned this despicable act, and that all had motive and ability ......

Bush and Cheney: Handcuffed and Frog Marched .....

Cristo couldnt dream up a crazier display ...

But what a joy it would be ..... and none deserve it more ....

[Samantha]

7. It's extremely difficult believe Bush* had no prior knowledge of this

But we seldom even see any speculation on this point.

[autorank]

8. CM (corporate media) is afraid to ask the obvious question, "What

did he know, and when did he know it?"

Well, we're not. Damn, he sure as hell knew. He and Karl share political pillow talk every day. Can you just imagine how nasty and bitter their conversations are. Too bad the taping system is gone (or is it). The religious supporters would get an ear full of that one.

Of course, the enemies list is easy, just look at the census role for United States of America! They hate all of us, every single one.

Swamp Rat sums it up:



On edit: It just occurred to me that Bush wouldn't be in this situation if it hadn't been for folks like us who are disparaged as extremists and conspiracy theorists.

Well, we've prevailed over the "coincidence theorists" haven't we!

[kestrel91316]

9. Hell, I think it was Bush's idea to do it. The whole thing just reeks of

his brand of petty vindictiveness and spite.

[Samantha]

17. I think you are correct, but it also sounds like a classic Rove

maneuver.

[DURHAM D]

12. I think the lack of speculation about Bush is due to the fact that

the media and the entire American public realizes that Bush is too stupid to be Pres. and he is not his own man and without even realizing what we are doing it - we give him a pass.

[FreedomAngel82]

14. That's the whole purpose of that

It's all an act so people would say "Bush really couldn't be involved in that, he's too stupid" but I don't buy it. He was talking about invading Iraq since 1999 and remember what Richard Clarke told "Meet the Press" as well. That Bush was wanting information about Iraq and nothing else with 9/11. This also showed me that they were in on 9/11 as well and more evidence.

[FreedomAngel82]

13. I think it's probably true

I don't buy this Bush isn't involved nonsense. I think he's been in the know since the beginning. He may not have done anything but he was in the know. They don't call Rove Bush's brain for nothing. And Bush was there on the Niger trip.

[Skip Intro]

6. Yep, its made the rounds, but how many times is too many times in this war

Lest we forget, lest we lose a micron of the motivation, patriotism, independance that got us all caught up in this crime drama to start with...

They're all in it. No surprised, innocent president is going to come out of this.

[Tactical Progressive]

10. Gee, if Fitzgerald were to subpoena Bush

do you think Bush would be able to bring Cheney in with him for the questioning and that everything would be off the record?

[tabasco]

11. Throw the fuckin' traitors in jail !

RULE OF LAW !!

[SoCalDem]

15. Of COURSE they are.. Underlings, no matter HOW powerful they

think they are, do NOT do things like this on their own.. They are directed to do it, coerced to do it, or they just take the BLAME for it when Bush/Cheney do it

Bush and Cheney are vindictive, vile people who stop at NOTHING when they have a chance to discredit their "supposed" enemies.. They play for keeps, and nothing is ruled out of bounds..

Remember when Cheney and Scooter practically LIVED at the CIA in the lead-up time before the war?? NO OTHER Vice president had EVER done that

[Neil Lisst]

16. I'm going to guess they will be unindicted co-conspirators, at best

Just don't think he'll indict the pres and vp. The GJ has to indict, and they probably wouldn't do it.

I don't want them to resign. I want them unable to do any harm. The last thing we need are two new pubs in office there.


http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst/

[Samantha]

18. I happened to read a small item today on Watergate

that talked about Jaworski (can't remember for sure how that is spelled) pondered whether a president could be indicted. He came to the conclusion he probably could not; if he (Jaworski) went so far as to try to do so, it would create a Constitutional crisis, the likes of which we had never seen.

Think about it. What if the president were indicted and an arrest attempt were made. Could he not call out the Secret Service (or the military) to protect him?

Jaworski figured out the best route to go was the safe Constitutional one. He was relieved that the Republicans agreed to send a delegation to speak to Nixon, and to let him know the votes for impeachment were there. Save the country from an impeachment ordeal -- simply resign.

People are fond of saying Bush* could never be impeached since both the Senate and the House are controlled by the Republicans. I don't believe this is true. If Bush*s numbers and reputation are so damaged, support for him could endanger 2006 election results, those up for re-election will throw him over so fast, it will be dubbed a pre-emptive reelection strike executed so quickly it shocked and awed both Bush* and Cheney.

[goforit]

19. Well thankyou Stephenopoulus!!!....Duh, who woulda thunk it!

[lovuian]

20. This came out today on other sources that Cheney & Bush

sat in on the meetings. Now all it takes is a person at that meeting to break from the pack!!! I'm betting on Powell!!!

[lonestarnot]

21. Well deeeuuuuuya!