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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-12-05 11:56 PM
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GOOD MORNING VIETRAQ!
October 2005; "Iraq stability could take 10 years"
Iraqis may have to wait up to 10 years before their country becomes a stable democracy, British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said.

“I am optimistic about Iraq, I think in 5 to 10 years we will see it becoming stable,”
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/focusoniraq/2005/October/focusoniraq_October73.xml§ion=focusoniraq

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"I believe demolishing Hussein's military power and liberating Iraq would be a cakewalk.
-Vice President Dick Cheney
http://www.newyorker.com/printables/talk/030414ta_talk_hertzberg

MR. STEPHANOPOULOS: Do you think we'll still be fighting in Iraq six months from now?

SEC. RUMSFELD: Oh, goodness, you know, I've never -- we've never had a timetable. We've always said it could be days, weeks, or months...
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2003/t03302003_t0330sdabcsteph.html

"It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months."
– Donald Rumsfeld, 3/7/03
http://www.usatoday.com/educate/war28-article.htm

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"Stand tall and publicly tell the America people the truth about another bad war that could well lead to another died-in-vain black wall. Or even worse."
-Col. David Hackworth
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29786

"Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land."
-President GHW Bush, 1998;
http://www.rense.com/general43/quote.htm

"Do we really want to occupy Iraq for the next 30 years? …In Japan, American occupation forces quickly became 50,000 friends. In Iraq, they would quickly become 50,000 terrorist targets…. Nations such as China can only view the prospect of an American military consumed for the next generation by the turmoil of the Middle East as a glorious windfall."
-James Webb, former Sec. of Navy under Ronald Reagan, Decorated Marine Veteran
http://www.sftt.org/article09302002a.html

"We are about to do something that will ignite a fuse in this region that we will rue the day we ever started."
-Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, former Head of Central Command for U.S.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/10/17/zinni

"A billion bitter enemies will rise out of this war."
- Wall Street Journal, January 13, 2003, Full page ad in Wall Street Journal by major GOP contributors
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/001444.html

"Right now, the course we're on, we're achieving Bin Laden's ends…. I've never seen it so bad between the office of the secretary of defense and the military. There's a significant majority believing this is a disaster.

The two parties whose interests have been advanced have been the Iranians and al-Qaeda. Bin Laden could argue with some cogency that our going into Iraq was the equivalent of the Germans in Stalingrad. They defeated themselves by pouring more in there. Tragic."
-Gen. William Odom, former head of the National Security Agency
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704Y.shtml

"The idea that this is going to go the way these guys planned is ludicrous. There are no good options."
-General Joseph Hoare, the former marine commandant and head of US Central Command
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704Y.shtml

"No, I don't think we're winning. We're in trouble, we're in deep trouble in Iraq."
-Republican senator Chuck Hagel, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
http://www.iht.com/articles/539563.htm

”We have a stronger jihadi presence in Iraq today than in March 2003,” noted Roger Cressey, the former director for Transnational Threats in Bush's National Security Council at a briefing at the libertarian Cato Institute earlier this week.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0911-01.htm

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Worldwide terrorism-related deaths on the rise
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5889435%20 /

US Losing the War on Terror in Iraq; The invasion of Iraq has increased, not decreased. the threat of terrorist attack
http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article2629.html

Occupation Made World Less Safe, Pro-War Institute Says
http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/terrorwar/analysis/2004/0526iissreport.htm

Iraq Invasion Hurt War on Terror
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0719-10.htm

Musharraf: World more dangerous because of Iraq War
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/25/03544/7945

Blix Says Iraq War May Have Worsened Terror Threat
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0319-02.htm

Poll: Aussies, Brits, Italians say Iraq war increased terrorism
http://www.startribune.com/stories/1576/5027215.html

Iraq intervention increased threat of terrorism
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/archive/scoop/stories/c7/9d/200409100845.68f9c878.html

UK Government; Iraq war 'increased terror threat'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3451239.stm

Iraq war has swollen ranks of al Qaeda
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1063717,00.html

US State Department Corrects Report to Show Rise in Terrorism
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5264512 /

Iraq has become a terrorist spawning ground, CIA admits
http://www.smh.com.au/news/After-Saddam/Iraq-a-terrorist-spawning-ground-CIA-admits/2005/02/17/1108609349394.html?oneclick=true

Iraq Conflict Feeds International Terror Threat
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050216/us_nm/security_usa_dc_9

GOOD MORNING VIETRAQ.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 12:00 AM
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1. Lynn...
How long before a substantial part of the officer corp revolts as they did in Vietnam?

You know, we sort of had to leave because the officers were refusing to take their men beyond the perimeter to patrol, or if they did, they would dig in around the first bend and go no farther.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:43 AM
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8. Well, I think this one we're gonna see NCOs, Reserves & NG
more than officers. There's not all that much in the way of officers corps now anyways.

With over 50% of the troops currently Iraqmired being citizen-soldiers, I suspect we're gonna see a lot of blue-on-blue and revolts in that area.

Already on base we're seeing some very bad shit; suicides, drugs, alcohol, rapes, murders, child molestations. Damn bush to hell.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 12:01 AM
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2. Wow.
Just...wow.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 12:04 AM
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3. The only ones who believe in this now are are a few freeper "dead enders".
I say we bury them and move on.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 08:04 AM
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6. And while even the bushCabal don't believe it, they still spew it.
And then there's those permanent bases...
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 12:07 AM
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4. Oopsie
Looks like many of them were wrong. Good post. :hi:
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SnowGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-13-05 12:07 AM
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5. Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyit!
I'm going to have to bookmark this thread.

Nice job!
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:40 AM
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7. Thanks.
:hug:
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hopeisaplace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-14-05 12:44 AM
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9. I see fields
of green
red roses too
I see them bloom
for me and you
and I think to myself
what a wonderful world

(*sigh*)
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