Outing Plame Allowed the Mossad to Grab Russian Nukes -- Liberty Forum

[Tace]

(Note: Liberty Forum is a libertarian discussion board. This was forwarded to me. I make no claims as to its accuracy.)
Was London Just a Warm-Up?

Valerie Plame and many CIA agents were working under the cover of a company called Brewster-Jennings and Associates. They were active in Saudi Arabia, China, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia and Syria.

Outing Plame meant exposing this company as CIA front and thus destroying and compromising all these agents. Basically, the most important CIA human intelligence agents are all gone. The Mossad destroyed the CIA using the White House.

In Russia, these agents were the only people monitoring loose nukes, making sure that nothing goes missing, and tracking and locating missing items.

Across the southern areas of the former Soviet Union there are numerous nuclear devices, fissionable material and delivery systems that are barely guarded by the locals.

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[McKenzie]

1. see this excellent post by Peace Patriot

I don't want to speak for PP but the content is damned important...like REALLY damned important.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1845840#1846250

[stop the bleeding]

2. I would like Peacepatriot's post to get discussed in detail

can this be moved onto its own thread?

THIS IS WAY TOO IMPORTANT!

[McKenzie]

3. n/t kick

[Brotherjohn]

7. I'm not saying it's impossible for PeacePatriot's scenario to be true, BUT

... there are a WHOLE LOT of assumptions, and just downright opinionated characterizations, and a WHOLE LOT more of simply "Why?" questions in lieu of evidence.

PeacePatriot may have a citation for everything he/she claims, and I remember reading articles on most of the claims. But that doesn't tie a single one of them together (although they may actually be). For every leap, for every "Why?", the scenario gets more and more unlikely.

Much more likely, for instance, regarding sending of Wilson to Africa and "rush and panic" to discredit him... from the very start:

"Why would Cheney send Wilson or the CIA on a wild goose to Niger"
Well, for starters, Cheney didn't send him (as we all know, and as Wilson has vociferously refuted in countering an inane RW talking point). But it makes for a better conspiracy theory, doesn't it?

So the CIA sent Wilson, after being asked by Cheney's office to look into the matter. What is so surprising about that? PP is making several assumptions right off the bat that would even make this surprising at all. First, PP assumes that Cheney was in on the forgeries. There are many parties throughout the world that were over-enthusiastic about pushing war in Iraq, and I myself would LOVE it if we conclusively linked the forgeries to the WH. But for now, that's a pipe dream. There is good evidence that possibly Italian Intelligence forged them, or even possibly a neocon with links to the WH (I forget the guys name, PNAC-er, I believe TPM has reported on this). But to assume Cheney knew they were forgeries is a big assumption.

The assumption is also implicitly made that Cheney et al KNEW there were NO WMDs in Iraq. Much more likely is that Cheney, Bush, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, etc. were all convinced Iraq had WMDs, or at least they wanted to believe it and figured if it wasn't true, it would be hard to prove the negative (which is what they were asking Saddam to do, which they knew was impossible). They were pushing the CIA to say so, were told by the CIA it was a slam-dunk case, and simply wanted to believe it and in no mood to question and alternative evidence. They were also cocky and arrogant. They would have no reason to believe if the CIA "invesigated the claim" that it would turn out fake. In fact, they were eager to latch onto ANY evidence presented to support their case.

They just didn't anticipate the CIA would send someone who would stand up to them, or that the evidence would be, in fact, SO incredibly flimsy and easily disproven. These things are usually much more gray, and whatever anybody finds, they can cast the "findings" in a light favorable to them (witness nearly every other bit of WMD "evidence").

As for the "rash panic" to discredit him, there was nothing rash or panicky about it. It was planned out from June 2003, when he was known (or at least suspected by insiders) that Wilson was making such claims off the record to the Wash. Post. Possibly even earlier. He submitted reports discounting the evidence to the CIA and others much earlier.

Were they messy? Yes. Is it possible that they either unintentionally broke the law, or were so arrogant as to assume no one would call them on it? Both of those scenarios are very possible. Karl Rove isn't perfect, nor is he a genius. He's simply arrogant and ruthless. It was always bound to catch up to him.

And then this:
"Why the full court press to do this? Why not just ignore Wilson's article, as they had all other dissent--for instance?"
They ignored all other dissent?! Coulda fooled me. They "dismissed" at least one general, fired cabinet level personnel, and generally trashed to the nth degree anyone who would DARE to dissent. Swift Boat, anyone? Scott Ritter charges of child molestations, anyone?

They just went too far with this one, and that's why it blew up. They picked the wrong person to attack, and they were too ballsy about making tenuous claims in the SOTU and elsewhere (although they still tried to couch them behind "British officials"). PP is right that they were desperate. The UN was on the berge of proving that there were no WMDs in Iraq.

And the nature of Wilson's "dissent" -- a loudly public NYTimes editorial all but accusing them of lying us into war -- demanded an aggressive response. They were desperate, backed into a corner, and responded with a mean, aggressive, and sloppy counter-attack. The sloppiness of it (breaking the law) combined with Wilson's tenacity, resulted in it becoming much more than the usual case of trashing a dissenter.

So that's just the early stuff. There are other assumptions and characterizations throughout PPs post that have similar alternative, and more likely, explanations. Sorry, but at points it reads like a bad Oliver Stone movie.

Again, though, I'm not putting everything PP says beyond the Bush administration. For instance, I do think Kelly's death was suspicious. Also, though I have seen no real evidence for WMD planting (a few dubious articles), I wouldn't put it beyond them. But I also think the retaliation against Wilson was just par for the course for the WH. They just got sloppy and broke the law (had to happen eventually).

So this long rant is just my contribution to the discussion suggested above. I just don't think most of the scenario as depicted is the most likely way things may have happened. I don't think it was that orchestrated, although I think elements of it may be true.

[leveymg]

11. Your response deserves a response of its own.

I agree with the basic thrust of your critique. Just a few points:

* If former CIA head of counter-terrorism, Vince Cannistraro is correct, Michael Ladeen (AIPAC, American Enterprise Institute) is "very close" to the author of the Niger yellowcake forgeries. www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/000901.html

* Dick Cheney (PNAC) knows Ladeen, very well indeed, and I would be very surprised if Cheney wasn't aware of the true authors of the forged Niger documents.

[Brotherjohn]

15. Yes, I think Ladeen's the guy I had read about.

Regarding whether Cheney knows he forged the documents is a valid question for now (god i wish they could prove that!).

But for back when they were forged and put "on the market", I think it's very plausible (if not most likely) that this guy (and others) were putting out much dubious information and Cheney wasn't directly aware of it, nor anyone else in the WH.

Which is why i don't find it surprising he'd ask the CIA to check it out. The WH was desperate for evidence to support their case for war, and willing to believe just about any of it. He never seriously thought the CIA would send someone who would seriously question them (or who couldn't be silenced if he did), nor even that they would come back with a report that couldn't, at least, be cast in a light favoring their case for war.

Remember, these guys tired to scare us with biological attacks delivered via balsawood model airplanes.

[newyawker99]

12. Hi stop the bleeding!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[leveymg]

5. Here's a discussion of Peace Patriot's post.

If what (PP) said was true, then someone w/in CIA would have leaked it before (PP) "connected the dots." (Reprinted from a response at PP's original post)

I admire the scope of your imagination and your hard work, but this is just conjecture. There's no solid fiber to keep the hard bones of fact that you work with (yes, this assembly of facts is possible), together.

Now, if you could provide an authoritative statement, report, or circumstantial evidence to show that the White House or Downing Street were trying to introduce WMDs into Iraq, then I would be the first to shout, "Eureka!." But, aside from reference to "Several news reports in Pakistan and Iran about this in March 2003--covert U.S. arms unloaded at Basra; covert U.S. arms convoy hit by 'friendly fire')", you don't give us anything with which to make up our own minds. I would urge you to write an in-depth analysis about those reports, link them, and explain why you think they're credible.

Finally, as I said above, if it were true that the Bushites and Blairites were trying to destroy the CIA so they could plant WMDs in Iraq, we would have heard about it from within the Agency or one of its many recently "retired" officers.

By the way, I do think WHIG and OSP were quite happy to blow Brewster Jennings cover, but not for the reason you surmise. The mere fact that BJ, along with WMD analysts in several USG agencies, were resisting the Administration's headlong rush into a wider war against Iraq and Iran was deemed sufficient cause to make an example of Plame.

[papau]

4. Mossad and sayanim (volunteer Jewish helpers) are grabbing Nukes??? - BULL

And it was the Israeli Jews and friends that blew up the WTC and Pentagon?

What is this fellow smoking?

In any case you do post some interesting articles, Tace.

Good to see you on the board.

:-)

[FreedomAngel82]

6. I go over there every once in a while

Apparently they have this whole Jew consperiacy thing going on. :eyes: That the Jews do everything. Uh huh. :eyes: So I take all of that with a grain of salt.

[AntiCoup2K4]

8. Don't equate Mossad with "the Jews"

Mossad are terrorist pieces of shit, just like the Bush Criminal Empire, who claim to be Christians.

Religion is irrelevant here. There is good and evil, and those motherfucking pieces of shit are the text book are the very definition of evil.

And yes they are quite capable of involvement in 9-11-01.

Dare I say far more than 19 jackasses with box cutters.

And while I don't know the website referenced here very well, I promise you this much: If a nuclear device is ever detonated in an American city, it will come from either Mossad or from the BCE themselves. Nobody else is remotely capable, despite the bullshit rhetoric.

[Coastie for Truth]

30. Say again

If a nuclear device is ever detonated in an American city, it will come from either Mossad or from the BCE themselves. Nobody else is remotely capable, despite the bullshit rhetoric.

As we say in the Oil Patch "Cow pattie."

If that kind of damage ever happens - it will because nobody listed to my student and mentee, my fellow "Coastie for the Truth," Steve Flynn. Read it here-->America the Vulnerable: How Our Government Is Failing to Protect Us from Terrorism

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and read my book (I was Project Officer for the Red Bound edition)--->

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all about what an LNG tanker will do to a Port City.

[Colorado Blue]

36. That's bs. Where do you get this stuff? Never mind, I think

I already know.

[peacetalksforall]

9. Why destroy the CIA? A: So that the DOD intelligence agency can take

over in partnership with PNAC and the cabal and the world containment planners. You can link PNAC with AEI Jinsa and many other groups . No one can deny the signs that the DOD is where the action is. The same people are trying to do away with the CIA and not for the same reasons we would raise - massacres and interference in other people's business for corporations. So same agenda, but evidently, the CIA presents a roadblock to the ruling agenda. It takes a combined intelligence AND military attack to rule us.

Yes, we are heading toward a military state. Why is Cheney (subsequently PNAC and the others) linked with Israel and Khan/Pakistan at this point in time. Why does it involve Russia? Because the wmd and nuclear equipment and technology is there at present and there is a sub-war going on to conquer the supply and technology for the control of people and their leaders and to make whopping profits for themselves and create funds for their agenda through the operation of secret sub-governments outside the control of Congress.

The U.S. is headed toward a military takeover by our own.

Take all the facts that are mysteries to us, study what they say and do, study their alliances, then project out using U.S. history as support.

If you are stubborn and refuse to contemplate their plans for us, you can't refuse to believe that the U.S. and Britain and a few other countries are working with Israel to rule the Middle East (and now it looks like South America (or all of the Americas, minus Canada) to start.

They are totally tight partners with certain corporations who are part of the plan to contain us by knowing where we go and what we are saying and thinking, plus our complete medical and family history.
They will not tolerate dissent, but they will provide jobs to your sons and daughters who will by carrying guns at home and abroad.

This is an extreme agenda of the ruling class in this world (study the Tri-Lateral Commission and the history and agenda of the planners).

A military state is essential to the plan.

George gave a little hint of it when he talked about Africans becoming world police. I'd like to find the words again and would appreciate it if someone could post it. It takes a tiny bit of extrapolation to read 'worldwide' and, if you choose, to read it that way, it also say Africans are expendable as policemen.

Wilson could say no more. He was wise to present it only as an act of revenge. It is up to us to dig and build on our knowledge and educate others. Unbelievable? Yes.

Wasn't Iran-Contra unbelievable? Wasn't Vietnam unbelievable? Isn't 9-11 unbelievable? Isn't the agenda of PNAC unbelievable? Isn't the idea that Israel plays a giant part in directing our policy unbelievable?

These people, are so-called leaders, chose a path of war, not peace, to live in this world. War for them is lies, theft, deception on the way to total control through untold death.

We should be a world of people who have learned from history and guided by our religions, living and working together to cope with earth and disease disasters together. Instead we have a few imposing their war mongering plans and creating disasters.

[AntiCoup2K4]

10. Don't count on that "minus Canada" part.

The biggest pool of oil on this continent is under Calgary. Eventually there will be a "terraist" attack in a major Canadian city which will cause the Bush Criminal Empire to invade Canada "for their own protection".

[geek tragedy]

22. The author of that story is a liar and a rancid bigot.

He later posted in that thread:

<snip>
The FBI has collected a ton of evidence of subversive activity by many Jewish Americans and people who are associated with them like Rove. Jews in higher places like AIPAC leaders but also rabbis and regular Jews (sayanim), all involved in treason and murder of US government agents and American citizens.

The Franklin case and the Plame case indictments are opening a Pandora's box for the Russian Jews that have done so much deliberate harm to America, not the least of which is corrupting Congress.

But I believe America will recover and will punish those who misued our trust and sympathy.
<snip>

The author is a fuckwad Nazi genocidalist. This is pure garbage, and has absolutely no business at a progressive website.

[Zynx]

13. This is anti-semetic trash. PH34R teh J00!!!! *rolls eyes*

[peacetalksforall]

14. Here you go again. Here I go again.

Israel cannot hide under an umbrella of persecution. There are unprincipled people with destructive agendas in many countries.

Israel cannot get by calling anyone who criticizes their policies anti-semetic. It is unfair and illogical.

[Zynx]

16. I do not say Israel is immune from criticism.

However, this particular case reeks of the "Jewish Conspiracy" crap that is so often spread. There is probably absolutely no factual basis to this.

[peacetalksforall]

17. Study JINSA. My objection to the culprits, not Israelis in general, is

a decision to win security by war and weapons and the consequent death of many Moslems. I object to a duplitious alliance with the U.S. and Britian that keeps up a pretense that they are for Moslems, but work against them. They intend to own oil and water by world control which involves the control of all people in order to sustain the control. This I do believe.

[geek tragedy]

19. Well, some criticism of Israel is founded in anti-semitism.

When it comes from Jew-hating insane asylums like libertyforums, the presumption is pretty high that one is dealing with shithead racists who are just looking to smear Jews.

A pity that some DU'ers aren't better than this . . .

[Behind the Aegis]

21. It is a pity! NO! It is a fucking SHAME!

I feel like I am witnessing the revival of the fucking "Protocols of Zion!"

[geek tragedy]

18. More Jew-baiting from the Nazis at that forum.

Christ, some people are pathologically obsessed with the Jews and Mossad. And no, I don't draw a distinction between those who think the security agency of a small state is involved in every bad thing on the planet and more candid bigots.

[Behind the Aegis]

20. Shame on you! Don't call them NAZIS!

How can you criticize that FINE website when they have such posts as:

Who Are the Jews? and include such insightful posts as: "if you are asking me this it is likely because you misunderstand why i posted this...."that is not your fault, but mine this is just to exemplify the sick perversion of judaism and their twisted, supremist, 'chosen' baloney the flesh profits nothing" and "thanks for the pics, I threw up into my keyboard ... yuck! Who ARE these "people", anyways? so ugly/strange breed ..."

Or what about the eye-opening "Simon Wiesenthal is Dead. RIP and the comments like: "So Mr. Holoco$t shakedown is dead. What a shame. Worthless bloodsucker should have died a lot sooner." Or, "So, since he survived years in 'death camps', I guess he was just, what, lucky, when MILLIONS of others, supposedly, what, weren't?" or, "So, since he survived years in 'death camps', I guess he was just, what, lucky, when MILLIONS of others, supposedly, what, weren't?" or even..."Finally he croaked! Endlich einmal! Gott zie dankt!"

Yes, this is a FINE site! How dare you call them NAZIS!

(Since GreekTragedy knows me...he will know this is :sarcasm:, but for those that are so willing to jump all over this article...explore the site some more!!!!)

[Behind the Aegis]

23. BTW...the person who posted this link at Liberty Forum...

...also had this to say...

This explains why the Jew Ira Lewis Libby, VP Dick Cheney's commander and handler (Chief of Staff) has been tied to the exposure of the CIA agents and Valerie Plame.

When energy is taken to do an action such as the Valerie Plame exposures, there is usually a reason.

Now we have Ira Libby's reason: He wanted to betray the United States by giving the Israeli Mossad access to Soviet nukes and dirty weapon materials with a genuine Russian tag our FBI could be fooled by and effectively verified. Such evidence in criminal law is called "credible evidence".

So Valerie Plame was exposed by the Jewish man Ira Libby in the White House to compromise world security and benefit Israel's expansion. (this was from another poster, but the following statement is from the original poster of the article quoted!)

Yes, in a nutshell.

EMPHASIS mine!

[geek tragedy]

24. He's also calling for Americans to punish "ze Joooos."

Why some DU'ers insist on posting race-baiting sewage from genocidalist fascists is truly a puzzle.

[Tace]

25. Let Me Make Clear That I Didn't Know Anything About This Liberty Poster

The item showed up in the World News Trust mailbox from a source who forwards several items a day from various -- usually pro-Arab -- news sources. I posted the item on DU for discussion. That's all. I love Jews, and everyone else. --Tace

[geek tragedy]

27. Fair enough. But I'd be cautious about posting stuff from that source--

they're spreading neo-nazi hate material.

Sounds like your source is an 'anti-Zionist' in the mold of David Duke.

[Tace]

33. I'll Leave The Source Alone

The source has been sending items to the WNT mailbox for the past few months, several per day. Because I'm committed to objectivity, fairness and accuracy -- basic journalistic ideals -- on the WNT site, I haven't used any of the items that he's sent on the WNT site, because they seemed to be very, very pro-Arab, to the point of being propaganda.

This is the first item from the source that I posted on DU. I'll leave the source alone, as the reaction to this post indicates to me that the source is, indeed, iffy. I like to have a lot of different points of view represented on the WNT site, and I like to see different points of view here on DU. However, bloody-minded hate is not one of them. Cheers, Tace

[geek tragedy]

34. Goodonya! Cheers. eom

[Behind the Aegis]

28. Hey Tace....

I am was not commenting on you. Trust me, I have used some pro-Israeli posts that were not the best choice. I am not saying you are a Jew-hater...unless you are the original poster(from the quote)...then...well, I wouldn't say it...per DU rules, but I would alert.

Pro-Arab or pro-Israeli can always be propaganda. I understand your motivation though.

What you need to look for, as I learned, is if the source is advocating a "stereotypical" agenda against the other side. It is not always an easy task. "A broken clock is right twice a day!" But, when is the "right time of day?"

[Behind the Aegis]

26. It isn't really a puzzle.

It is either the 'stealth' group (freepers) or the anti-Semitic group*. But, to call them out on anti-Semitism is a "no-no." We, Jews are just "too over-sensitive and easily confuse Israel and Jews!" It reminds me of the "uppity faggots" that wanted equal rights at election time, but (some)good "liberals" said it was "too early" for that! "How dare those 'people' want equal rights; it endangers the whole party!" The real "enemy" in our party, and not the 'corporate' centrists, it is the 'social' centrists! Until all of us are equals, none of us are!

You know what...this uppity "kike fag" wants an equality for ALL people! That includes Muslims and straight people! But, because I am a Jew and gay, I must hate Arabs and str8s.

What has happened to our humanity?!?!

[Coastie for Truth]

29. Based on 30+ years in "energy"-

including "super tankers" and "LNG tankers" in the 1960's-- been in "energy", loafed at the San Jacinto Inn on the Ship Channel and Kolbs (on Saint Charles Ave).

Read Craig Unger's House of Bush, House of Saud: The Secret Relationship Between the World's Two Most Powerful Dynasties and try the simplest explanation that connects all of the dots - and that is making the rounds in "The Industry" -- Valerie was finding too many "smoking guns" in the "Big Oil" to "Saudi Royals" to "Al Qaida" money laundering trail.

Not as conspiratorial about Mossad and the "Jooooze." More conspiratorial about Halliburton (which is, after all. historically and originally. an oil field service company and a petroleum refinery/petrochemical plant "A&E" firm) and Cheney and Bush and Big Oil and Carlyle.


Just not as conspiratorial about Mossad and the "Jooooze," fewer dots to connect, and it's all out there. And its not as sexy for Lefties who have gone full circle.

[mmonk]

31. Concerning Israel

they have proven they spy on us (Pollard for example) and add to that, The AIPAC scandal. I usually don't get too annoyed about some of the spying. What annoys me is when we have people in our government helping such as in the AIPAC scandal. I'm also bothered that they ignore us on critical issues sometimes such as selling China military technology we ask them not to. It isn't anti-semitism to be bothered about these things I mentioned. They are allies, but should not necessarily be identical in foreign policy priorities (independent).

[Coastie for Truth]

32. Out to Protect Halliburton, Aramco, Saudi Money Laundering

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While the breaking of Valerie Plame's cover as a NOC operative of the CIA may be regarded as serious in and of itself, there has been some speculation that the damage caused by the leak may extend in very specific directions related to Plame's work with her cover company, Brewster Jennings & Associates. While the majority of commentators felt that her husband was the target for the smear, a body of evidence points to another motive for the leak. The leak may have been instigated as a move to end Plame's work spying on the Saudi royal family, and more specifically her investigation into whether the Saudi oilfields had passed their peak of productivity (see peak oil). In this view (found for example in Michael Ruppert's From The Wilderness news service, <65>) the leak was an attempt to silence and/or discredit Plame's findings on the state of the world's oil supply, thereby impairing the functioning of the CIA's ability to inform the administration, in turn reducing its ability to act usefully.

citing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Rove

2.

SAUDI ARABIA

Given that energy is becoming the most important issue on the planet today, if you were the CIA, you might be a little pissed off at the Plame leak. But there may be justification to do more than be angry. Anger happens all the time in Washington. This is something else.

One of the most important intelligence prizes today - especially after recent stories in major outlets like the New York Times reporting that Saudi oil production has peaked and gone into irreversible decline - would be to know of a certainty whether those reports are correct. The Saudis are denying it vehemently but they are being strongly refuted by an increasing amount of hard data. The truth remains unproven. But the mere possibility has set the world's financial markets on edge. Saudi Oil Minister Ali Naimi came to Washington on April 27th to put out the fires. It was imperative that he calm everybody's nerves as the markets were screaming, "Say it ain't so!"

Naimi said emphatically that there was nothing to worry about concerning either Saudi reserves or ARAMCO's ability to increase production. There was plenty of oil and no need for concern.

FTW covered and reported on that event. Writer and energy expert Julian Darley noted that there were some very important ears in the room, listening very closely. He also noted that Naimi's "scientific" data and promises of large future discoveries did not sit well many who are well versed in oil production and delivery.

-See FTW's June 2nd story, "Saudi's Missing Barrels" and our May 2003 story, "Paris Peak Oil Conference Reveals Deepening Crisis." In that story FTW editor Mike Ruppert was the first to report on credible new information that Saudi Arabia had possibly peaked.-

If anybody has the real data on Saudi fields it is either ARAMCO or the highest levels of the Saudi royal family.

The answer to the Saudi peak question will determine whether Saudi Arabia really can increase production quickly, as promised. If they can't, then the US economy is going to suffer bitterly, and it is certain that the Saudi monarchy will collapse into chaos. Then the nearby US military will occupy the oilfields and the U.S. will ultimately Balkanize the country by carving off the oil fields - which occupy only a small area near the East coast. That U.S. enclave would then provide sanctuary to the leading members of the royal family who will have agreed to keep their trillions invested in Wall Street so the US economy doesn't collapse.

So far the Saudis haven't had to prove that they could increase production due to convenient terror attacks at oil fields, and more "debates" within OPEC.

After 30+ years in "Energy" -- the Mossad story is a paranoic fabrication. The Saudi/Aramco model connects all of the dots with fewer "leaps of faith" and fits the experience of most of us in "Energy."

[lovuian]

35. The major reason for outing Plame was detroying Brewster

& Jennings thats the point!!! Destruction of the CIA was important to the Bush's they were the only ones who could endanger their friends operations!!!