Shocking! AQ in Iraq says the captured letter is a fake. But the letter

[Pirate Smile]

fits all the Bush talking points, how could it be fake?

CNN is reporting that Al Qaeda in Iraq says the captured letter is fake.

BushCo says it is authentic. Hmmmm.

I know when I first read about it a few days ago it looked like complete BS.

[JDPriestly]

1. I thought the video right before the election was also fake.

I think anything real would be written in flowery language and a literary style and contain references to the Koran that we westerners would not understand or be able to imitate.

[bowens43]

2. I go on the assumption that ANYTHING

and everything that comes from this administration is bullshit until independently proved otherwise.As far as I'm concerned, the word of idiot or anyone in his administration is no more trustworthy then that of Al Qaeda.

[rodeodance]

3. it is odd to me that AQ would put those words down on paper.

[Pirate Smile]

6. I know. It was pure Bush talking points supposedly written by AQ

about Iraq. It was ridiculous.

I haven't seen a link yet to post.

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[KayLaw]

13. They have no fears of putting it on paper?

So why would they deny doing it? What's the motivation?

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[aquart]

37. It's called crap.

But there are people who still believe the Niger paperwork was real.

[Cocoa]

22. it also might be completely fake

I think that's by far the most likely possibility, but you may disagree.

[ck4829]

23. You mean the same paper in which...

Osama rails against GLBT people, women who are working, and Bill Clinton?

He sounded just like a RW'er.

[The Magistrate]

39. He Is A Right Winger, Sir

In Islamic society, he occupies about the same position as Robertson and Dobson do in Christian society. Simply because he is opposed to Westetrn influence in the Islamic world is hardly a reason to suppose he is a progressive or leftist on any level. Mere anti-colonialism does not a progressive make....

[Pirate Smile]

30. OK - We weren't the only ones to doubt the letter - look at this:

SPLIT OVER AUTHENTICITY

In Washington, U.S. officials and experts were split on the letter's authenticity.

"Ken Katzman, a terrorism expert with the Congressional Research Service -- the in-house think-tank of the U.S. Congress -- said the letter contained elements that raised doubts about its authenticity. "The purported letter has Zawahri admitting to certain things that it's not realistic for him to admit, because he would know there's a potential this letter might be intercepted," Katzman said."

He said they included a request for money from Zarqawi, an admission that Pakistan's army is hunting for al Qaeda and how the arrest of a top operative affected the network.

-snip-
Several experts said the letter contained far fewer Koranic references and quotations than other Zawahri statements.

http://today.reuters.com/news/NewsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=uri:2005-10-13T175537Z_01_WRI354641_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-QAEDA-LETTER.xml&pageNumber=1&summit=

edit to correct the link

[rodeodance]

4. and of course AQ would deny the existance of such a letter.

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[Old Vet]

8. Its come to this, I believe it was fake.

[5X]

10. this administration is the most dangerous...

and worst ever.

[Pirate Smile]

11. I know. It is a weird situation. I just thought the letter was very odd

from the first reports of it. It never seemed credible. I don't disbelieve it because AQ said so. I didn't believe it before they reported that.

Frankly, I know BushCo and the Pentagon have lied to us repeatedly so because they say it is true has no credibility with me.

I found the entire episode bizarre but then there has been a lot of that going around these days.

edit to add - someone has written letters and documents (Niger yellowcake claims) to try and help BushCo in their arguments, documents which have been proven to be fakes. It could be Chalabi's people or someone else who wants to help the neocons. It has happened before so our skepticism isn't that unreasonable.

[JoZbean]

12. I find Al Queda more reliable than Bush

But Bush more dependable. Everytime his support erodes, there's a new letter from Al Queda or Terror Alert. We've come to depend on that!

(Edited to remove "n/t" after I went on to add text)

[moobu2]

18. Given the 2 choices, it’s sad, but I would agree.

[EST]

15. You forgot to add -- NOT!!

:sarcasm:

[Enraged_Ape]

16. Have another big glass of Kool-Aid

Doesn't it strike you just a little bit odd that these Al-Qaeda appearances ONLY crop up when it's politically convenient for Bush?

Doesn't it seem strange that there are probably a dozen (or more) people identified as "the number two man" of Al-Qaeda?

Isn't it weird that it was widely reported that one of those "number two" men, al-Zarqawi, lost his leg and then somehow miraculously grew it back again? That he's been reported dead at least a half a dozen different times?

Doesn't it strike you a bit odd that Bush's and bin-Laden's families have been business partners for decades?

I don't care what you think about all this. Just think.

[Cocoa]

17. when it was Bush's word against Saddam's

Saddam turned out to have more credibility.

What a sad state of affairs.

[Lasher]

20. Uh, I think folks are trying to decide who to believe...

which is not the same as who to trust. As for myself, I don't believe either Bush or bin Laden.

[Pirate Smile]

21. I just believe the letter was fake. That was all. I'm sorry if you took

it as a defense of AQ because it certainly wasn't intended that way.

Geez, this is what the Administration does - you either believe us and what we say OR you are with the Terrorists.

Sorry, this Administration just doesn't have any credibility with me AND the letter rang false to me in the first place.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

28. Stop watching Faux news!!

"Their agenda is clear: a world dominated by radical Islam with zero tolerance for anything they consider an afront to Islam; which is almost EVERYTHING you and I stand for."

This is bullsh*t. They just want us to keep our noses (and guns and bombs) out of their countries. They aren't trying to take over the world. That would be Bushco's plan of Empire.

[Cults4Bush]

35. And what you said dierctly contradicts the letter hence it is a fake.

Side with bushco all you want, its still fake.

Heres another thing, Osama was trained by CIA.
Bushco has been in bed with the Bin Ladens for decades.
The president you so willingly trust lied us into a war that would and only ever could bolster AQ.

This administration is the worst thing ot hit this planet since Hitler and they have a lot more pollution, greed and power that makes your last statement patently false. Just the war in Iraq alone has done more damage to the environment and the health of more people.

Research PNAC, Neo-Cons, Christian Coalition, Corporate Fascism, Global Hegemony. Really you need to before you come around making such ludicrous statements.

AQ is at best an extension of the manipulative policies of little boots and his string yankers.

BTW Bushs cult following has the same agenda and zero tolerance for those who oppose them.

[moobu2]

9. I could have told CNN that..of course it’s a fake

[mtnester]

14. What the HELL did I miss?

I better start browsing hard.

[cassiepriam]

24. really, what letter. I am still trying to figure out Rove's missing email

in the Plame case. Now we have a letter in Iraq.
Life has become one big Law and Order episode.
Except it is for real, and people are dying.

[Pirate Smile]

25. Here - this is the only article I can find. The letter was first reported

on last week.

"Iraq's al Qaeda denounces Zawahri letter as fake-Web

DUBAI (Reuters) - Al Qaeda's wing in Iraq on Thursday rejected as a fake a letter by top group leader Ayman al-Zawahri which was issued by U.S. officials this week, according to an Internet posting.

"We in Al Qaeda Organization announce that there is no truth to these claims, which are only based on the imagination of the politicians of the Black (White) House and their slaves," the group said in a statement posted on an Islamist Web site about the letter.

According to the letter released this week by U.S. intelligence officials, al Qaeda's second in command Zawahri urged the group's leader in Iraq to prepare for an Islamic government to take over the country when U.S. forces leave. He also said brutal tactics risked alienating Muslims. "

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051013/wl_nm/iraq_qaeda_letter_dc;_ylt=Aj2nzjhHBKrdTaSCBJutGRGs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b3JuZGZhBHNlYwM3MjE-

The letter had a lot of information in it that just seemed like Bush TP - as soon as the US leaves Iraq we will take over Iran and Lebanon, etc. It was all neocon talk. Very weird.

[mtnester]

26. Thanks, I have been so swamped this week, however

that is no real good reason to not catch the news. I am normally much more informed about most things, just not this week.

Thanks again.

[Pirate Smile]

27. This letter got surprisingly little airplay considering what it said. I

don't think the media bought into it because if it was real, it should have been a bigger deal.

It felt like BushCo ringing the "Terra, Terra, Terra" bell again when poll ratings, etc. went down.

[seabeyond]

29. now we are all the way to believing al qaeda over our lying bush.

wow isnt that something. aq standing up to call bush out on a lie. wow. kinda pathetic

[sepia_steel]

31. Something didn't smell right

I lean toward it being a fake.

[Pirate Smile]

33. Right. It seemed fake before AQ said anything. It isn't that we think it

is fake because AQ said so, we already thought it was fake.

[reprehensor]

32. //INTERCEPTED TEXT MESSAGE//

IMPORTANT TEXT MESSAGE FROM ZARQAWI TO ZAWAHIRI

//MESSAGE BEGIN//

zARq2005: Word.

Zawa Wowa4328: Word.

zARq2005: So is text messaging the shizzle or what?

Zawa Wowa4328: Word.

zARq2005: Dude, you totally need to change your name. The Peeps are getting confused.

Zawa Wowa4328: F*ck that, you Ahmed-come-lately! I've been burning flags since you were wearing that hat for a diaper!

zARq2005: That was totally uncalled for.

Zawa Wowa4328: It's totally true. Say, can the NSA pick this shit up on their scanners or what?

zARq2005: No, my brother, this is the state of the art.

Zawa Wowa4328: Sweet. Let's trade our most top-secret strategy then!

zARq2005: Word.

Zawa Wowa4328: First of all, can you f*cking believe what a retard Bush is? I mean, HELoooooooooooooo we're over here! In Afghanistan! Kicking with some of theee finest beeotches I've never seen in my life. OMA!*

zARq2005: What?!

Zawa Wowa4328: That is the hawtest BIB** I've never seen!

zARq2005: F*ck. Dude, I've can't even get arrested here, never mind laid.

Zawa Wowa4328: I heard you were dead! Like 10 times! LOL!!

zARq2005: F*ck U. How's the Slammin' Sama?

Zawa Wowa4328: A prick as usual. I mean f*ck, HE didn't plan the Towers deal it was KSM, and he's f*cked. He's probably got a broom up his *ss right now.

zARq2005: No doubt.

Zawa Wowa4328: So, here it is, TOP SECRET PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE!

zARq2005: LOL! Always trendy!

Zawa Wowa4328: I know! That Lugosi, what a master. Anyway, this is it; we do nuthin'.

zARq2005: Nuthin'?

Zawa Wowa4328: That's the word. Look around, there's barely any electricity, sewage in the streets, torture in the prisons, no WMDs, civilians gettin' whacked daily, the Shia want to put Islam in the Constitution-- dude, f*ckin' recruitment is smokin'!

zARq2005: But I was getting pretty good--

Zawa Wowa4328: Nuthin'. Lay like a sidewalk.

zARq2005: *Sigh.*

Zawa Wowa4328: Now what?

zARq2005: I wanna do another video.

Zawa Wowa4328: Dude. Nuthin' means nuthin'. Straight from the 'Sama.

zARq2005: Well... I could always go and get killed again!

Zawa Wowa4328: LOL! Totally. Look, I gotta roll, you think this Blackberry gonna run all night?

zARq2005: Can't get no bettah!

Zawa Wowa4328: Shiznit!

zARq2005: Word.

Zawa Wowa4328: Word.

---------------------------------

//END MESSAGE//

Interpreter notes:

* Oh My Allah!

** Bitch in a Burqa







Yes, LURKERS, it's satire.

[lady lib]

34. LINKS to the letter and to a BBC report

that says al qaeda disowns 'fake letter.'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/zawahiri_12_10_05.pdf
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4339912.stm

[Neil Lisst]

36. It read like ANOTHER piece of fiction from Yellowcake, Inc.

These guys make up whatever they need.


http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst

[Rex]

38. Lord knows Boosh only has our best interests at heart!

Why would the BFEE make up a letter to deceive stupid people? Why?