2000 Americans dead...for an ISLAMIC STATE of repressed women in IRAQ.

[LynnTheDem]

As with every single issue re Iraq to date, the EXPERTS say one thing, the bushCabal say another.

And of course the EXPERTS have been 100% correct, the bushCabal 100% WRONG to date, so I suspect the EXPERTS will be proven correct once again on this;

"Unmaking Iraq, the Constitutional Process Gone Awry,"

The Iraqi constitution as written will push that country toward full-scale civil war, a report from a nonprofit organization warns. Melissa Block talks with Robert Malley, director of the International Crisis Group's Middle East program.
http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?l=1&id=3703

"It may well be more of a prelude to civil war than a step forward," Anthony H. Cordesman said in an analysis for the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

The Bush administration endorsed Iraq's proposed new constitution yesterday, but analysts warned that some provisions can be interpreted to undermine everything from the distribution of political power to a secular judiciary, from women's rights to fair distribution of oil revenue.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/24/AR2005082402217_pf.html

There are, however, significant doubts about the religious nature of the new constitution...

"It is written by Islamists for Islamists"

Zainab and her friend Zahra, 37, are both deeply apprehensive about the effect the constitution will have on women's rights. Since "liberation" by US-led forces they have seen the growth in the power of Muslim clerics and the diminishing power of choice.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article318609.ece

The Iraqi constitution's downside for women
http://www.juancole.com/2005/09/iraqi-constitutions-downside-for-women.html

Iraqi Women May Lose Basic Rights Under New Constitution
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0723-06.htm

Iraq's Draft Constitution Is Said to Deepen Divide...will likely trigger civil war...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/26/AR2005092601442.html

UN issues warning over Iraq constitution

There are fears that Iraq's draft Constitution, due to go a referendum next week, could trigger the break up of the country and even spark a bloody civil war.
http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1473209.htm

Americans Die for Sharia (ISLAMIC STATE) in Iraq

It's so Abdul the Iraqi can have six wives. It's so women can be forced to wear the abaya, alcohol can be banned, and sharia law – Muslim religious beliefs as interpreted by a council of mullahs and "grand ayatollahs" – can become the law of the land. As one of the Shi'ite clerics' representatives put it the other day:

"We don't want to see equality between men and women because according to Islamic law, men should have double of women. This is written in the Quran and according to God."
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=4774

Exactly the OPPOSITE of what bush spews daily...and EXACTLY what all the EXPERTS warned would happen before bush's war of aggression.

BUSH'S F*CK-UP. Americans dead and dying for an IRANIAN-STYLE ISLAMIC STATE in Iraq.

[mattclearing]

1. People don't believe this when I tell them it.

I say, "I've read the Constitution...the first thing it says is that Iraq will be governed by the rules of Islam."

They say, "No it doesn't!"

Unbelievable. People are out of their fucking minds.

[LynnTheDem]

2. OH YES it most certainly does. HELLO morans, Shia are aligned with IRAN.

al Sistani IS IRANIAN.

The SCIRI party IS IRANIAN.

WHY do you think Hussein repressed Shia clerics??? COZ THEY ARE ISLAMIC FUNDAMENTALISTS ya stupid gits. Hussein was SECULAR; meaning NOT a religious nut.

Gawd I despise MFing rightwingnuts, stupidest MFers on the planet.

[FloridaPat]

3. Always the pessimist. Look at the good thing the invasion has brought.

1. Halliburton stock is up from around $16 to up to $70 recently. Think of all the people that are getting rich off this!
2. The national debt has gone from about $5.8 trillion to almost $8 trillion. Think of all the happy countries making a fortune off all that interest. Now there is real foreign economic aid.
3. Magnetic car markers are selling like hot cakes with "support the troops". A whole new industry has started up over this.
4. We've done the "Christian thing" and abolished the debt Iraq has to us.
5. We are building 14 permanent military bases so our troops will have nice places to live for the next 100 years protecting Iraqs new government until the oil runs out.
6. The sales of SUV's has finally run out of steam.

[LynnTheDem]

8. You forgot #7; cheney's stock options went from $200,000 to $8 mil

#8; bodybag makers -oops my bad, that's TRANSFER TUBE makers- are making a killi...ummm...are getting really wealthy.

Q re your #2...the foreign nations, such as China & Japan who hold 40% of US debt, has anyone told them they ain't never ever gonna see a thin dime back?

[bigscott]

18. unfortunately

they get something like 300 BILLION a year in interest

[Nikki Stone 1]

4. I think Sharia is what they wanted all along

It was very clear from the intelligence and news analyses done before the war that Iraq would fall to the Shiites if the US toppled Saddam Hussein. Either the Bush regime is extradinarily stupid (possible) or they actually wanted Sharia. Religious extremism makes people easier to control. The wingnut Wahabi sect in Saudia Arabia has been the key method of controlling the populace so that Bush's royal friends can hog all the oil profits. Why should Iraq be any different?

I also believe the fundamentalist movement in the US is being along the same lines for the same reasons.

:tinfoilhat:

[Maraya1969]

17. Well it's a good thing they don't want to use the Christian Old testament

as basis for law. Most of the women would get stoned to death.

[Nikki Stone 1]

24. What makes you think they don't?

The anti-gay texts they quote are typically from Leviticus. The anti-evolution stance is fueled by Genesis--two creation stories, BTW, with two different orders and time frames for creation.

[Maraya1969]

25. I've seen comparison and the Christian Bible is much more violent

But I truly do not know a lot about the Koran so I guess I shouldn't speak.

[seabeyond]

5. a lot of white males in my world easily dismiss this

women losing rights. women being abused. i dont dismiss it so easily with a shrug of a shoulder

[whatever4]

10. Yes, they think it's the little things

Like getting a good job, or a divorce settlement. Trivial, like laundry, our lives. They don't realize it's about life and death, the right to be raped or not, the right to see sunlight not filtered through cloth gauze. The right to speak.

They don't get it. What's sad is how this world ends up hurting them just as badly, in different ways, because of it, but they don't see it. While they continue to believe womans issues (life and death) are unimportant, they continue to create a murderous world. It's a shame.

And for the women there, it's just the end, that's all. That's all it's ever been.

[LynnTheDem]

13. Women in Iraq were MUCH better off under Hussein. And it'll be

lifetimes before they get their freedoms back.

"The right of women to own property and enjoy full legal personhood, long recognized in the West – and in Saddam's Iraq – will not exist in "liberated" Iraq.

America's daughters are fighting and dying in Iraq so that Iraqi women can be enslaved by a medieval religious and legal dogma that reduces them to subhuman status."

THANK BUSH FOR THIS.

[zanne]

6. This should be story #1.

It's amazing how many huge stories go underreported in this country lately. Months from now, when the Iraqi constitution has been passed and is still being debated, people will say "How could they vote against their women like that"? I think what is most noticeable about the media is what ISNT being talked about. The second most important storyby the way, should be Bush's attempt to legalize torture by threatening to veto any House or Senate bill to outlaw torture. (Sorry this post seems a bit disjointed, but I'm so upset I can't type straight).

[LynnTheDem]

11. I agree with you; I've posted this and will continue to do, coz NO ONE

is bothering to mention it in the USSA "media".

And yes, a few weeks or months from now, when there is full out civil war, Americans will sit stunned and say well gee why'd they vote for that?

For one thing, NO ONE IN IRAQ HAS READ THE DAMN THING. Seems there's a wee too much VIOLENCE to hand it out.

And of course for another, bushCabal and the M$M know exactly what the "constitution" says and does, but they ain't telling ya.

[glarius]

7. Don't forget the 100,000 dead Iraqis!.....n/t

[stop the bleeding]

21. No shit people always forget about them - its probably at

150,000 by now those figures are over a year old.

[rbajai]

9. Excellent.

Thank you for posting this. It's what I've been SCREAMING for months now. * has basically just set up a new Iran - only worse. He just added one more terrorist state to this list of terrorist states. I predict that in the not too distant future, we will have to "deal with" Iraq once again. Ugh.

Kicked and recommended.

:kick:

[etherealtruth]

12. Thank you ...

I have been trying to get people to understand this (both here on DU and in the "world" in general).

if this were the probable outcome for any group of people (read ethnic group, religious group...)there is no way this would be acceptable to the world.

Nominated ... again thank you for keeping this issue in the discussion.

[LynnTheDem]

14. And sure 'nuff, today the bushCabal are touting the vote for an IRANIAN

style Islamic state as "PROGRESS".

Stupid MFers.

And you're welcome. :hug:

[etherealtruth]

15. "Stupid MFers"

I would only add evil: Stupid EVIL MFers

[mzmolly]

16. Iraq has become Afghanistan.

SUPER!!

[Just Me]

19. The war never was about "freedom and democracy". It was about,....

,...using force for economic and profiteering purposes.

Everytime these assholes take control of our country,...WE end up suffering all the blowback!!!

I'm sick of it!!! It's their damn turn to suffer after everything they have put this and other nations through,...all for power and greed. :grr:

[enigma000]

20. IRAQ: Women murdered for trying to survive

Iraqi law currently allows these women to be killed in the name of protecting “family honour”. Last week, a group of men led by Saddam Hussein's son Uday, beheaded with knives 50 young women in Baghdad. The heads of these women were hung on the doors of their houses for a few days.

http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2000/427/427p22d.htm

edition from 2000.

[Kailassa]

22. Yes enigma000, there was a great deal of b/s propaganda

printed after Buschco decided they wanted to invade Iraq. I watched as one by one the stories were debunked.

However to debunk a story, you need facts. But this article from a far left communist rag gives none. You don't think they could come up with a single name or address or family member to include? Don't make me laugh, either you've been asleep a long time or you know this in not worth the paper it's written on.

I'm sure if you keep looking you can find stories of Iraqi soldiers throwing prem Kuwati babies on the floor to steal their incubators, too.

[LynnTheDem]

27. Gee, wonder if they also used that Purple Plastic People Shredder!

The "family honor" law will be in place as soon as enough Kurds and Shia stuff the ballot boxes today, and violence keeps the Sunnis away.

[MN ChimpH8R]

23. Free-dumb on the march

right back to the 13th century.

[Disturbed]

26. The 1st Phase of the Iraq Operation has been

acomplished.

Bush Regime Iraq Successes

1. Saddam will no longer sell Iraqi oil via the Euro.

2, A military foothold in the ME. Other than Saudi Arabia.

3, No countries will be able to buy Iraqi oil that the U.S. disapproves of.

4. The Multi-Intl. Oil Corps are reaping great profits, esp. Bush Junta fave ally Saudi Dicktatorshit.

Phase 2 is to secure the Iraq territory for the Multi-Natls. of Amerika for oil and other privatization plans.

Human and Civil Rights are not relevant to Phase 1 & 2.