Bushco is falling apart, but WHERE ARE THE DEMOCRATS?!#X%#???

[mtnsnake]

Bushco is imploding, political corruption is at an obscene level, energy is through the roof, national programs are gasping for air, and the public is just DESPERATE for someone to step up and make them feel a little better. I want it to be a Democrat, not a frigging Republican who comes to the rescue.

Sure it’s nice to sit back and watch Bush and Co self destruct, make fools of themselves, & some of them maybe even go to jail....but to sit on the sidelines and watch from behind our little safety net and not say a single word is ridiculous and foolish, IMO.

People are complaining about a lack of money everywhere.
People are complaining about the height and integrity of the levees in New Orleans.
People in New Jersey are complaining about a proper lack of response to their own floods there.
People are complaining about the structural integrity of highways and dams that are washing out too easily in the Northeast.
People are complaining about the money never showing up that FEMA promised to them.
People are complaining about too many kids in classrooms.
People are complaining about waiting in long lines at airports, border crossings, bridges, traffic jams, you name it. There’s not enough money in the kitty to provide the services we need.

Do any of our Democratic leaders ever stop to think that now is the perfect time to correlate all of this to Bush’s tax cuts? Like maybe because of his tax cuts, there’s not enough money to take care of the basic needs of the people in this country??

Our spokespeople don’t need to rant and rave. All I’m saying is that the LEAST that Democrats could do is to speak out and tie many of the major problems we’re all experiencing to Bush’s tax cuts. If we don’t say ANYTHING, then we’re no better than they are....and if we’re no better than they are, then the vote will be decided by those crucial swing voters again...or worse yet, Diebold.

We have a glorious opportunity to distinguish ourselves from THEM. We have a chance to put some distance between ourselves and the enemy, and we MUST take advantage.

It's time to set the record straight about what his tax cuts are doing. This frustrating silence must come to an end.

[mmonk]

1. Waiting for the republican suicide

to near completion.

[brainshrub]

7. I don't know about that.

Remember how we all used to tell each other that Kerry was "working behind the scenes" to make sure all the votes were going to get counted?

I wouldn't trust most incumbent Democrats to do what it takes to bring down this corporate monster... mainly because they are sucking at the same corporate-teat the Cons are.

[mmonk]

17. Never interfere with an implosion in progress.

Make sure they can't spin it as democratic party politics behind what is going on. Then assess the situation with what has transpired before you.

[kestrel91316]

30. Correct. I also think the Dems are quietly biding their time,

letting the public figure out all on their own how bad the RW is. Then the Dems can step in and play the White Knight. But they are LETTING things get as bad as they can, allowing the RW to demonstrate what completely evil bastards they are.

It wouldn't do to have the Dems whining and fussing all this time. The media would be focusing on that and not the wrongdoings of the administration.

[mtnsnake]

35. Ok, but put the shoe on the other foot. If the tables were turned, Repugs

would be all over us like flies on poop. They'd be blasting and firing away, belittling us like insects, setting up the tone for elections to come.

Now I'm not saying we have to be like that. I'm just saying that if we don't say anything, then we can't take any credit when the dust settles either. Plus, it's a perfect time for us to take just a LITTLE advantage of a country when it's in such a vulnerable state...and do some explaining of exactly how Bush's tax cuts are causing so much misery. I'm not promoting us to start any fires, just to fan the flames a bit and end the pathetic overall silence. If Bush completely implodes, and we haven't said anything, then people will still not know what we stand for.

[AndyTiedye]

45. That is Because THEY OWN THE MEDIA

If the tables were turned, Repugs would be all over us like flies on poop. They'd be blasting and firing away, belittling us like insects, setting up the tone for elections to come.

[kestrel91316]

60. You got it. If we treated them like they have treated us, the media

would be going after the Dems' jugulars.

This may be changing, as the media seems to be turning.

[AndyTiedye]

81. That Will Only Last As Long as It Looks Like Rove Might Get Indicted

If Rove walks, the media will go back into lapdog mode instantly.

[FreedomAngel82]

67. Exactly

I think that's what the democrats are doing. They're still working I'm sure but as Rhandi said: why step in the way? I think when the time is ready they'll step in and show leadership.

[thebigidea]

72. wrong. twist the stake in, pound it in with a hammer, make sure the vamp..

... is dead. We've all seen the fakeout at the end of a horror movie.

[earth mom]

53. Shhh....you're not supposed to say that!

We're not supposed to point out around here that Clinton and Kerry and oh so many others are NOT doing what they were elected to office to do: which is to REPRESENT THE PEOPLE! NOT CORPORATIONS!

Money talks and they listen. :sarcasm:

[kath]

78. Oh, GACK, it's so very painful to be reminded of that "working behind the

scenes" thing... :-( :cry:

[brainshrub]

80. Isn't it tho?

It gets my blood boiling to remember how I fell for it.

Never again. From now on, when I see evil happening in front of me, I'm going to raise hell until I see the candidate DO SOMETHING.

No more: "Trust us, s/he's working hard behind the scenes" bullshit.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

8. But I agree, it is time to step forward, offer reasonable alternatives, in

a coherent, logical and appealing fashion.

We need to get our best writers, framers and speakers, get them on the same page, but not mimic'ing each other like a bunch of neocon administrative apes.

[kestrel91316]

32. It's not quite time yet. After the Plame indictments it will be

appropriate to step forward, say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, and offer themselves as the quietly ethical alternative.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

36. OK I'll buy. But it would be nice to see some progress on the plans

and NOT tons of "most detailed position papers ever".

Who is our audience? America.
Who has a 14 minute bladder and attention span? America
Who is (amazingly) satisfied with a football game that only has 75 plays in 60 minutes, but adds 2 hours of ads and replays? America

THAT is the audience we need to target, and mindless, endless, itty bitty details ain't gonna convince them.

[The Stranger]

2. I think Dick Durbin is getting ready to issue blanket apologies.

Go Dick!

[mattclearing]

3. Apparently they are working up a Contract with America-style document.

Knowing how Dem-issues forums work, you can imagine it will take a while to hammer out. Hopefully it'll be ready before next November.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

20. I'm sorry, I missed it. Which november? Which century?

Hey, I have an idea. Let's create a committee to study the need for a committee to determine if we need to get a decent message out. After that, let's create a committee to recommend changes so we are sure that the end result will be almost but not quite as short or as clearly written as the European Union set of constitutional agreements, treaties and side agreements (as published in all member country languages)

Then, we get another committee to translate that encyclopeadia into a revised version, and have another committee review the revisions, while taking into account all objections and sending those back to committee. Wait. We may need a new committee for that.

[Pirate Smile]

23. Here is what they are up to:

"House Democrats Ready 2006 Agenda

"Seeing an opening to reach voters while Republicans are beset by turmoil, House Democrats are privately planning to accelerate the timing of the release of their platform and the major policies they will promote on the campaign trail next year," Roll Call reports.

Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and other House leaders "are putting the finishing touches on what arguably will be Democrats most detailed 'positive' election-year agenda since the party lost power more than a decade ago... An early draft of the agenda outlines the specific initiatives House Democrats will pledge to enact if given control of the House. Leaders have been working on the document for months, and have already started encouraging Members to unify around it and stick to its themes."

Stuart Rothenberg: "Party leaders in the past have faced revolts in their caucuses or been defeated at the polls, but I doubt there has ever been a time when members of the Congressional leadership had as huge a bull’s-eye painted on their backs as they do now."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2005/10/11/house_democrats_ready_2006_agenda.html

[ChairmanAgnostic]

26. "most detailed. . . " - why does that scare the @@@@ out of me?

Oh goodie. We just hand the GOP a gift-wrapped chance to frame the issue. And then we get to defend the framing, even before we get the idea to the public. Boy, does that make sense.

That is the wrong way to do it. we need to frame the issues first!, then supply details.

[Pirate Smile]

29. I found the Roll Call article (it is a subscription only website)

Democrats Eye Agenda for '06 Message

-snip-
The move comes as many in the party have argued that Democrats need to do more than just complain of Republican excesses and the "culture of corruption" they charge the GOP with fostering.

-snip-
Among the proposals are: "real security" for America through stronger investments in U.S. armed forces and benchmarks for determining when to bring troops home from Iraq; affordable health insurance for all Americans; energy independence in 10 years; an economic package that includes an increase in the minimum wage and budget restrictions to end deficit spending; and universal college education through scholarships and grants as well as funding for the No Child Left Behind act.

Democrats will also promise to return ethical standards to Washington through bipartisan ethics oversight and tighter lobbying restrictions, increase assistance to Katrina disaster victims through Medicaid and housing vouchers, save Social Security from privatization and tighten pension laws.

One Democratic leadership aide said Democrats want to roll out their agenda this fall rather than early next year as leaders originally had planned. This aide suggested that the latest string of events - from the Republican response to Hurricane Katrina, growing concern about the war in Iraq and mounting questions about GOP ethics - made it clear Democrats must move quickly.

"Given the climate it makes sense to push it out sooner rather than later," this staffer said.

Sources acknowledged that while Democratic leaders plan to formally unveil the agenda in the coming weeks, they already have been publicly hinting at what's to come.

"If we're laying the groundwork, then people can understand it," said a senior Democratic aide. "If we've been talking about this, it will be clear what Democrats stand for and why voters should elect our candidates next year."

"The seeds are there," said another high-level staffer.

Last week, for instance, Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Chairman Rahm Emanuel (Ill.) offered a preview of the agenda on NBC's "Meet the Press," outlining five "quick ideas" Democrats would run on.

http://blog.dccc.org/mt/archives/003691.html

[Jose Diablo]

43. I'd say all and all

if this is how they will respond, the Democratic party is doomed.


real security" for America through stronger investments in U.S. armed forces and benchmarks for determining when to bring troops home from Iraq

Ah, a draft. "Benchmarks"? What is this a corporate board meeting?


affordable health insurance for all Americans

Maybe Americans are sick of getting ripped-off by the insurance companies and want these companies completely out of health care. Can we say National Health Care? Can we say nationalize the Pharma's? I knew you could.


economic package that includes an increase in the minimum wage and budget restrictions to end deficit spending

This is knee jerk yakity yak, I've heard this lame crap about deficit spending and raising minimum wages for 45 years. It means nothing. It's a politicians solution to gouging by the corporatist that keeps going unchecked and ignored by those very same mouthpieces for the corporatists. Yes children, there are corporatists in the Democratic party.


return ethical standards to Washington through bipartisan ethics oversight and tighter lobbying restrictions

ha ha ha, ethics in DC? You got to be kidding.


increase assistance to Katrina disaster victims through Medicaid and housing vouchers

Hmmm, you think those Katrina victims can hold on till Nov 2006?


save Social Security from privatization and tighten pension laws

I don't get it, why save something that the opposition already has tanked on. Besides saving SS is just what the Republicans say they want to do. Why give the Republicans an opportunity to open and respond to something thats dead on arrival. As for tightening pension laws, when did they change the laws that were alreading on the books. Laws that specified the rules corporations/trusts must use to insure enough money is there to cover the retirees. Have they changed something in the last 20 years?



All in all, with friends like this who needs enemies. Is this what these people are doing, to help?

[MrBenchley]

4. Just saw Dean on David Letterman the other day....

I see posts like this and I wonder what the hell the poster is expects...

Did you want Nancy Pelosi to burst onto the set of Meet the Press this Sunday, knock the invited guests off their chairs, and hold Tim Russert hostage at gunpoint while she made a statement?

[Nikki Stone 1]

9. Actually, that would be "must see TV"!

:)

[MrBenchley]

18. LOL!

[brainshrub]

12. Admit it: That would be fun to watch.

I think what Mtnsnake is trying to say is that it's frustrating to not see the Dems give a knockout blow.

Having said that, perhaps the punch will come in the 2006 elections... that is, if we have them.

[MrBenchley]

16. It would at that....

Hard to give a knockout blow when you don't control either House of Congress or the media....

[mtnsnake]

25. Big deal. You saw Dean on Letterman. Most of the country didn't.

I'm glad you're happy that a few people, probably Democrats, saw Dean on Letterman....as if that's enough.

AFAIC, it's not nearly enough. This is the time for MORE than just Dr Dean to speak out on Letterman. This is the time for all Americans to learn why Bush's tax cuts are causing us misery. Did he mention Bush's tax cuts? If he did, then I'm happy a tiny percentage of voters got to hear it. :eyes:

[MrBenchley]

46. Do let us know when YOU turn up on Letteman....

or any of the cable news shows...

[mtnsnake]

49. Look, you brought it on yourself by being so condescending in post #4

"I see posts like this and I wonder what the hell the poster is expects...

Thanks for the nice input.

[edbermac]

5. Why not just sit back? Why give Bushco a target?

[mtnsnake]

22. It's simple.We can't just watch them lose.We need to distinguish ourselves

We need to pick up the reigns that are now lying there for someone to take hold of. If we don't pick them up, it'll be a Republican. I don't want that.

I'm not saying we should jump on the "Jump on Bush" bandwagon and rave like maniacs. I'm just saying we need to help things along and this is a perfect time to show the American public what happens when presidents get carried away with tax cuts. People are complaining and we need to tell them why. We should at least say SOMETHING so they know who the good guys are.

[mod mom]

6. Don't shoot a dying man. They don't want to look vindictive.

[Hamlette]

10. Political lessons

during Clinton's impeachment his approval rating was higher than usual because people believed he had been unfairly treated by the right. We are better off to let them implode of their own accord than to risk giving Bush sympathy support.

[calico1]

11. Its much better to watch them disintegrate all by

themselves.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

21. hey, I do not suggest that we go out and attack, but this is our country

the people are hungry
for hope, solutions, answers, alternatives.
We can offer those in a reasonable fashion, without attacking the GOPers.

In fact, sitting back and not preparing a series of answers will leave us in the dust. I agree, no attacks and let the rabid dogs eat their own, but the smart long term thing to do is to start offering a different approach, starting with the hardest (and easiest) topic of all.
IRAQ.

[leftofthedial]

13. there is lots of lunch to eat and many cocktails to drink

with corporate lobbyists

so it takes awhile.

See, their big failing is that they've never successfully built the conveyor belt for corporate cash as the repukes have, so they can't operate nearly as efficiently.

[skinfusionz]

14. They are right there with the rethugs...

Just as guilty and scared shitless.
I've come to the conclusion that 99% of our government is corrupt and chicken-shit. Conyers is the only one I can think of off-hand who still represents the people.

[earth mom]

54. You said it!

And we ALL need to be saying it. Call it like it REALLY is, otherwise those in congress will continue on, oblivious to the people they were elected to serve while they cater solely to the corporate bastards best interests!

Conyers ROCKS! Sad that he's one of the few that give a damn! How pathetic is that?!

p.s. Welcome to DU! :hi:

[Avalux]

15. It's too soon.

The indictments must come....2006 elections still too far away.

It is not crucial at this time for Democrats to speak out. Why steal the spotlight from the repugs when they're doing such a good job of imploding? They don't need any help or distractions right now.

Timing is everything - I just hope when the time comes they step us as I think they will.

[mtnsnake]

28. "Why steal the spotlight from the repugs"? I'm not talking about that.

I'm just saying we can't sit back and say NOTHING. This is the perfect time to explain that many of the problems citizens are experiencing are because of the tax cuts THEY voted for. You just said yourself that "timing is everything". Well this is the perfect time to explain why OUR tax policy is better than their deceitful one of cutting taxes and running.

[Avalux]

40. Talking taxes right now will get lost in the shuffle

Democrats need to talk about Bush's failed tax policy when they are in a position to change it, and right now they're not. People have such short attention spans....I think waiting until next year is appropriate, when they can focus on the 2006 elections and winning the House and Senate back.

[mtnsnake]

47. We waited forever before and it cost us dearly

It's never too early to start educating the masses, and I think this is the perfect opportunity to take advantage of showing why Bush's tax cuts do more harm than good.

[HereSince1628]

19. a basic rule of politics is let your opponents shoot each other

There isn't much more to do than throw them more rope so they can ensnare themselves. There is speculation that Reid did just that with his support for the Mier nomination.

[electropop]

24. The LEAST the Dems can do is VOTE for our values.

Forget about speaking up, if they can't even vote morally, we are screwed. But yes, I sure as hell wish they would start coordinating the talking points and getting out the bullhorns.

As for too many kids in classrooms, Bush has the perfect solution: throw the kids in jails.

[librechik]

27. exactly--look at the way they vote. That's where the democrats are.

Some of them don't represent us at all. They're on the other side--or something.

I beg any DUer who is able to run for office or work into your local party leadership. That's the one sure way to get involved in decisionmaking at the party level.

[mmonk]

31. The only thing that bothers me about the dems

is the position that the cause is right, it was just badly handled. If that is going to be the position of the party that fills any void, will it be a case of: meet the new boss, same as the old boss?

[tlsmith1963]

33. Thank You!

I agree completely. Bush's tax cuts are destroying this country. It's time for our leadership to say so. It's so sad & pathetic that we cannot even help our own people! I'm tired of the silence from our side.

Tammy

[mtnsnake]

37. "Bush's tax cuts are destroying this country". Thank YOU for

realizing that tax cuts, what's happening now, and how our Dem leaders should be taking advantage of this, are all related. The timing is perfect to FINALLY explain why our stance on taxes is better for EVERYONE.

[BillZBubb]

34. mtnsnake you are EXACTLY RIGHT!

The Democrats should be tying all this mess to Bush's tax cut for the rich and his criminal invasion of Iraq. Democrats should slip these comments in at EVERY opportunity.

We must begin the systematic destruction of the Repug myths that have prevailed for several decades: That they are better for the economy, that they are fiscally conservative, that they support the average Joe, that they provide more security. Just like they were able to turn Liberal into a dirty word, we must do the same for Conservative. We have a perfect opportunity. Like you I don't see anyone seizing it.

We don't have to offer alternatives yet. We don't have to give specifics. But we need to crumble the foundation of lies that modern Republicanism is based on. Now is the time to educate the public and show them as McCain said "Elections do have consequences".
Elect Repugs and you get BAD CONSEQUENCES.

[mtnsnake]

38. "Democrats should be tying all this mess to Bush's tax cut for the rich.."

amBushed, it can't be said enough, and like you say, it's the perfect opportunity. That's all I'm asking...is that our Democratic leaders break the silence and take this golden opportunity to explain to all the sheep how Bush's tax cuts are RUINING us....how their measly 2 or 3 hundred dollar tax breaks don't compare to how much it's costing them in terms of misery they're all experiencing. I couldn't agree more that "now is the time to educate the public". If people don't understand why taxes are necessary, then they'll continue to vote for those tax cuts. Now is the perfect time to teach them.

[DemocracyInaction]

39. Ya' Know--It DOESN'T take anything GRAND!

Why in the hell can't they at least wag their heads in unison and say "ten years of Repbulicans..and they've run this country into the ground in just ten years". It's not a detailed plan---shit, the American morons even in the situation they are in are totally incable of listening to/evaluating any 'plan'. It's a quip. Just like "it's the economy, stupid" was a quip. CAN'T WE AT LEAST QUIP!!! There is no reason for this disjointed, nothing, half-assed alternatives put forth by our Party. None. And we have to stop making excuses for it.

[MN ChimpH8R]

41. The 'pukes are blazing away with both barrels

at their own feet. Let them totally implode and then the time will be right for some real Dems (are you listening, Dr. Dean? Senator Kerry? General Clark?) to step to the fore and call for sweeping change. Never interrupt an enemy that is committing political suicide.

[Kralizec]

42. What's new?

Left those fools a long time ago, though I still vote for them on the ABB vote.

[seabeyond]

44. kerry has been working. been all over the place

addressing different issues

[mtnsnake]

48. Okay, but Im wondering...

Has he correlated Bush's tax cuts to the misery that's going on now? If so, I haven't heard it explained properly. By properly, I mean in simple laid-out terms that the millions of cement-heads in this country can understand. It's one thing to stand up there and talk about rasing taxes on the rich, but it just doesn't matter if people can't associate their current misery with the tax cuts that many of them voted for.

[seabeyond]

50. yes kerry has, does and will talk about it

clear for me. people seem to, what i assume, is pretend they cant understand the man clearly. kinda like your post implies. but i understand him easy enough. i am no harvard grad

[mtnsnake]

51. I respect your opinion

but I have yet to hear ANY Democrat explain in simple enough terms for morans to understand exactly how these continuous Bush tax cuts translate into suffering. I haven't heard any of them drive the point home. All I've heard is that they only want to raise taxes on the rich. Well that's nice and WE understand it, but raising taxes on the rich doesn't compete with Bush's tax cuts for the middle class...unless it's properly explained in laymans terms how their "tax cuts" supplied by Bush are causing them the difficulties we're all experiencing now.

[seabeyond]

52. have you heard an indepth conversation from the media, msm

in the last decade. killed kerry because they do sound bites. no one does indepth. i had to listen to the indepth on cspan, and listening kerrys senate floor speeches and read his speeches and email. there is NO indepth in msm. hence, why we have a bunch of stupid ass poeple further, the repug does everything in power to keep indepth arms reach, cause indepth.,..... they lose everytime on everything

now..... why we would blame the dems, i dont know. i dont get it

[sandnsea]

66. They all have

And frankly, if you haven't heard it it's because you are counting on Kos and MyDD and the Huffington Blog and even DU to inform you about the Democratic Party. They won't. People who post diaries and threads about what Democrats are really doing will tell you that those threads drop like a rock. Saying anything positive about a Democrat doesn't fit in with the lefty hate all Demcrats because they're DLC agenda.

[seabeyond]

77. is that what it is sandnsea, cause not being a democrat

i dont understand why..... i recognize what the dems are doing, and the good job they are doing, and how smart the dems are above and beyond, the.............repugs.

i am totally confused on this dem board, why so many dems promote the right wing bullshit and media storyline of dems, just helping to create the definition of a dem, when it flatly isnt true

[sandnsea]

79. That's what I see

You wouldn't know it by my posts, but I have as many gripes with the Democratic Party as anybody. I wasn't a Clinton fan, I don't like Third Way or triangulation or very much of the rest of it. At the same time, I also think there's been progress in some areas but if someone fought something ten years ago, they'll never admit the situation has done anything but deteriorate. It's kind of like Iraq. Sometimes I think people would sooner see disaster in Iraq than see Bush succeed. It's like I keep saying about "out now", if Democrats want to call the plan a "success strategy", I don't care. As long as it calls for a timeframe for withdrawal, I'm on board. If elections were to somehow end up in a peaceful Iraq, I'm going to cheer. True peace marchers would. I think some are more attached to fighting for an ideology than changing reality. And the hate the DLC Dems is an ideology they will never let go of and the only requirement is to say "outsider" and "chickenhawk".

[nadinbrzezinski]

55. Do we have full access to the media? No

do the rightties have full access to the media? you bet, hell they even have their own (subsidized by Mellon Scaife) publishing house (Regnery Press)

So slowly they are speaking in places like Franken, Hartman, and randi, but the MSM, the ratio is still 5:1 pubblies and most of the time the member of the Dems who shows up is our public and authorized face.

The dems are screaing it to the four wings, but at this point they could hold court outseide of the house Nekkid and the Press would not show up

[mtnsnake]

56. That's just an excuse that both sides love to use

If Democrats weren't always being so careful about what they say, the media would give us all the attention we deserved. In fact, our Democrats are being so careful that they're saying NOTHING, so how is MSM supposed to react??

All you have to do to see that the MSM will cover our story is look no further than Cindy. She had the guts to say what our leaders should've been saying all along, and she got PLENTY of coverage. Unfortunately, our people are going to let her story fizzle, just like anything else.

To hear the other side talk, they'd like us to believe that the media is 100% liberal, and to hear our side talk, it's the opposite.

This "blame MSM" excuse is getting old.

[nadinbrzezinski]

64. It is NOT an excuse

do yourself a favor and find out who owns the media?

After you do that, ask yourself, why do these corporations rather have a REPUBLICAN administration? Then ask yourself, why is it that our so called balanced media is still giving bush a free pass? And what exactly did they do for eight years of Clinton? Hell they did not even wait for the swear in ceremony.

No this is not an excuse... I wish it were, for it would be easier to work around it. But it is not... it is real.

Now they have found some ways around it (randi, Franken, and Shultz) but we do not have enough outlets. Hell the pugs even have publishing houses financed by Scaiffe to catapult the propaganda (Regnery Press) and they keep buying more and more outlets

So if you want to think it is an excuse... feel free to do such... I can tell you that it is not... heck Bernie was talking about it just this morning on the Hartmann show... but hey if you want to believe this is an excuse go for it... it is STILL maybe, a free country... questionable, but hey... even my mom, who does not live here, has noticed how state controlled our media is and how not free it is... but hey whatever trips your trigger.

[mtnsnake]

65. Oh but it IS an excuse. I'm not saying it isn't a good one, at times, but

it gets real old when it's used as a substitute for trying to come up with a fix. It's the same with the Diebold excuse. It's a great excuse if and when vote fraud is proven with concrete evidence, and I'm not denying the existence of voter fraud, BTW.....but it's fucking lame whenever someone tries to come up with some other reason why we lost, certain vote fraud fanatics don't want to hear anything about it because they're so sure that there's no other reason why we lost.

I'm sorry, while I'm not arguing with you who controls the media the most, I'm just not going to sit back and avoid trying to come up with productive solutions to our problems because of those two OVERUSED excuses, as valid or invalid as they might be.

[goforit]

57. Dems.......those cowardly F*ck-ups???....I will personally vote them out!

[rasputin1952]

71. Whew...is THAT the way to ensure that we take the House and Senate

in '06...:shrug:

[never cry wolf]

58. Never get in the way of a perfectly good train wreck

George W. Bush has given Osama bin Laden everything he could ever have wished for. Bush invaded a Muslim country without just cause and in defiance of practically the entire world, and delivered to bin Laden a terrorist recruitment poster for the ages. The Middle East is coming together in unprecedented ways to fight the United States, a crucial step along the path towards bin Laden's desire to create a pure Islamic Caliphate. The bloodshed spurred by the Shi'ite uprising, aided by the unlikely alliance with the Sunnis, have left Iraq in utterly unsolvable turmoil. American soldiers, and Iraqi civilians, continue to die. There is absolutely, positively no good side to this situation.

Osama bin Laden need only sit back and watch everything go his way. He is almost certainly aware of the old military rule which states, "Never interfere with an enemy who is in the process of destroying himself." It is unclear how that statement translates into Arabic, but the old-school Chicago politics version is equally succinct: "Never get in the way of a perfectly good train wreck." However you phrase it, George W. Bush is proving these old sayings to be axiomatic, and Osama bin Laden is smiling.

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/22/4132/printer

[NNN0LHI]

62. Whenever Dem's had train wrecks the Repug's would walk up and...

...pour gas all over the whole area and strike a match. They believe in scorched earth policy. They don't believe in giving the other guy the other guy a breather during a ten count and then let him get up and fight back and beat them. No Marquee de Queensbury rules for the Repug's. Not hardly.

When they get you down they all kick you in the face and groin in unison. Its not clean. Its not pretty. But their methodology has shown to be pretty damn effective seeing they are currently running the whole enchilada? What do you think about that train wreck stuff now?

Don

[thebigidea]

73. you never seem to get an answer from the political judo set...

... when you turn it back on them like this. Sigh.

At best you get a feeble "Well, we we we... uh... we can't become what we hate most!"

The important distinction that a) we're not lying and b) not completely insane, tends to be conveniently forgetten by these folks.

[NNN0LHI]

74. My favorite Dem defense I see all the time is "well, maybe they don't know"

Well they are getting paid to know. We aren't. And we know. I think any Dem who tries to say "they didn't know" on some well documented issue needs to be thrown overboard immediately.

Don

[blindpig]

59. fatally compromised?

So many Democrats are beholden to the same people who own the repubs that the party is crippled as opposition. Can anything else explain it?

[NNN0LHI]

61. The silence of the Dem's n/t

[Independent_Liberal]

63. Why don't Dems strike when the iron is hot?

Do they think that just because they're the minority party, it means they can't at least speak up about all the corruption and demand investigations? They have to stop doing that. They're supposed to be the strong opposition party. When are they going to start acting like it?

[Lexingtonian]

68. You forget that Democrats can't shit money.

Somehow you imagine that standing in front of The People and saying "Sorry, we don't have any money to give you, but Republicans have some left that you might be able to get" rallies people to our side.

I mean, that's essentially the situation you are trying to set up. You think people will take the time and listen to the next sentence, in which you/we/Democrats blame Republicans for a larger situation in which things are this way. But, in practice, the masses obey their appetites and fears and refuse to cooperate with being told to to step back, deny their appetites, reach a judgment about some abstraction, act on it, and then recover their appetite.

The only way to get the masses to think is to let them figure things out on their own and come to a conclusion on who to destroy or eat. When they have run out of all the excuses that they make for Republicans, then they'll being looking for leaders to rally them into a charge that gores and tramples Republicans.

It's the psychology of appetites and immediate needs, which are those of a herd of cattle.

[mtnsnake]

69. AFAIC, it always comes around full circle to Dem taxes and Repug tax cuts

I just think if we took this opportunity to properly explain why the sheep voted for the party with the wrong tax platform (to get their tax cuts of course)...and why those tax cuts are what's now coming back to haunt them in the form of inconveniences and general misery in their daily lives....we could make them understand that Bush's tax cuts DO NOT equate to more money for 99% of the people in this country, but they equate to a more miserable existence. The opportunity is staring us right in the faces because we have so many glaring examples we could give them why Bush's tax cuts are WRONG. Our Democratic spokespeople are too cerebral when it comes to taxes. I think they need to stand up at the blackboard with a pointer and lay out the examples produced by Bush's tax policy: higher energy prices, dams and levees caving in because there's not enough tax money in the kitty, fewer people to patrol our borders for the same reason, police departments in disheavel for the same reason, I could go on and on. I don't know. Maybe I make too much of this tax thing, but I think taxes are the main reason why people don't vote for us when they SHOULD...if only we explained it better.

[Massacure]

70. Giving the republicans more rope.

Or at least Reid is. Brilliant way to bring a wedge between moderate Repubs and the religious right by giving a soft approval of Miers.

Don't forget the media doesn't give much time to most democrats.

[guajira]

75. Dems Should be Saying "IMPEACH" All Day Long!

Americans need to get used to the idea that this idiot * can and should be impeached. He should also be put in jail for war crimes!

Every time the idiot tries to connect 9-11 and Iraq, a Dem should hold him accountable!!

Every scandal should be investigated and well publicized (like Jeff Gannon, etc,).

[DemonFighterLives]

76. Borrow and Spend Republicans

have really damaged the country. The sad thing is that every time dems mention taxes, we get labeled with their old worn out tax and spend labels. Most sensible people know that you need taxes to provide essential elements of the infrastructure. The righties don't have a clue on how to keep a country functioning.

As for the dems, they have been too quiet. I think we need a few, even if they are fall guys to keep chatting up the corruption and cronyism of this train wreck administration. Heaven forbid they get in the way of Fitzgerald or any other investigation, but just attempt to get Americans to understand how messed up things are now with the disaster president.

Too many rollovers and turning away for me. Let's kick ass and take names. If Plamegate doesn't turn out like we hope, we have nothing to fall back on. Time to get the election equipment fixed or thrown out.
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