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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 09:41 AM
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Bush war crimes compared to Nuremberg
This information from a June article should be widely spread.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9218.htm

Dust off the Nuremberg Files

By Anwaar Hussain

06/20/05 - - At Nuremberg, in early October 1945, the four prosecuting nations -- the United States, Great Britain, France and Russia -- issued an indictment against 24 men and six organizations of the Nazi Germany. Of that 24 only 21 eventually sat down in the trial. The individual defendants were charged not only with the systematic murder of millions of people, but also with planning and carrying out the war in Europe. Twelve Nazi officials were sentenced to be hanged, three sentenced to life in prison, four were given prison sentences of 10-20 years, and the rest were acquitted.

Presently, the ongoing American and British slaughter of thousands of Iraqi and Afghan civilians constitutes a blatant war crime. Average legal skills should be able to prove that a similar case for the prosecution against the current coalition leaders can easily be constructed on comparable lines.

In September 2004, the incumbent UN Chief Kofi Annan made a very clear statement. Talking to BBC Annan said "the US-led invasion of Iraq was an illegal act that contravened the UN charter." Being the UN Chief, and the custodian of International law, he should have known what he was talking about.

The consequent unlawful war of aggression, the killing of civilians and abuse of prisoners constitute war crimes as clearly as the UN Chief's statement. . . (much more)
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 09:42 AM
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1. In a perfect world...
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 09:50 AM
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5. indeed-- why do I feel like no one in power gives a fuck about this
including the dems?
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 09:46 AM
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2. since the treaties that created the UN and geneva conventions were
ratified they are also the constitutional law of the US.
Bush and friends are not only international criminals but domestic ones as well by the same laws.
They are guilty of so many crimes it is almost overwhelming.
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 09:48 AM
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3. war of aggression: a crime under Nuremberg
Here's some more:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9218.htm

<snip>
. . .The Nuremberg Trial Counts One & Two: Conspiracy to Wage Aggressive War and Waging Aggressive War. The "common plan or conspiracy" charge was designed to get around the problem of how to deal with crimes committed before the war. The defendants charged under Count One were accused of agreeing to commit crimes. Accusation for Count Two was defined in the indictment as "the planning, preparation, initiation, and waging of wars of aggression, which were also wars in violation of international treaties, agreements, and assurances."

Abundant evidence is now available that shows that leaders and advisers of the Bush and Blair administrations engaged in "planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression." Iraq posed no threat to either the United States or Britain. Its government had neither the means nor the intent of waging war against these countries; nor did it issue any threat to them. It possessed no WMDs.

The events now bear out that the US administration had plans ready well before the 9/11 crime to not only invade Iraq, but also target much if not all of the Middle East. Former CIA Director James Woolsey and presidential advisor David Gergen have confirmed that. The war of "Operation Iraqi Freedom," was planned well over a decade earlier. All alibis put forward by Bush administration for the Iraqi invasion, and the resultant near-genocidal massacre, have now been fully exposed as fraudulent motives.

In his book 'The Price of Loyalty', writer Ron Susskind disclosed that from the very beginning of the Bush administration, the President was scheming and contriving to launch a belligerent war against Iraq. Richard Clarke, Bush's counter-terrorism expert, in his book 'Against All Enemies' confirmed the Bush administration's fixation with attacking Iraq. He also noted down in his book, an insider's view on the illegal planning, preparation and initiation of the war through the deliberate manipulation of intelligence. . . (more)
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McKenzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 09:49 AM
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4. read the Nuremberg Trials charge sheet and ask yourself
do any of the charges sound familiar in the context of what has happened since Iraq? (Both over there and on US soil) Sounds mighty familiar to me.

Thanks for the link btw.

The Charge Sheet read:

"All the defendants, with divers other persons, during a period of years preceding , participated as leaders, organizers, instigators, or accomplices in the formulation or execution of a common plan or conspiracy to commit, or which involved the commission of, Crimes against Peace, War Crimes, and Crimes against Humanity, as defined in the Charter of this Tribunal, and, in accordance with the provisions of the Charter, are individually responsible for their own acts and for all acts committed by any persons in the execution of such plan or conspiracy. The common plan or conspiracy embraced the commission of Crimes against Peace, in that the defendants planned, prepared, initiated, and waged wars of aggression, which were also wars in violation of international treaties, agreements, or assurances. In the development and course of the common plan or conspiracy it came to embrace the commission of War Crimes, in that it contemplated, and the defendants determined upon and carried out, ruthless wars against countries and populations, in violation of the rules and customs of war, including as typical and systematic means by which the wars were prosecuted, murder, ill-treatment, deportation. . . of civilian populations of occupied territories, murder and ill-treatment of prisoners of war and of persons on the high seas, the taking and killing of hostages, the plunder of public and private property, the indiscriminate destruction of cities, towns, and villages, and devastation not justified by military necessity. The common plan or conspiracy contemplated and came to embrace as typical and systematic means, and the defendants determined upon and committed, Crimes against Humanity, both within and within occupied territories, including murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation, and other inhumane acts committed against civilian populations before and during the war, and persecutions on political, racial, or religious grounds, in execution of the plan for preparing and prosecuting aggressive or illegal wars, many of such acts and persecutions being violations of the domestic laws of the countries where perpetrated."
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 10:10 AM
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7. You're welcome
That charge sheet looks like a laundry list of Bush Admin. actions in Iraq and Afgansitan over the past four years.

Here's something I hadn't seen before (stepped up bombing of Iraq in 2002):

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article9218.htm

. . . According to The Sunday Times, another fact recently come to light is that the Royal Air Force and the USAF doubled the rate at which they were dropping bombs at Iraq in 2002 in an attempt to provoke Saddam Hussein into giving the allies an excuse for war. The allies dropped twice as many bombs in the 2nd half of 2002 as they did during the whole of 2001. By end of August the raids had become a full air offensive.

These attacks were intensified from May 2002, six months before the November 8 2002 UN Resolution 1441 that Tony Blair and Lord Goldsmith argued gave the coalition the legal cover for war. These details follow the leak of minutes of a key meeting in July 2002 at which Blair and his war cabinet discussed how to make "regime change" in Iraq legal.

This new information and the Downing Street memo clearly show that the two leading coalition members, the US and Britain, were fully engaged in "planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression" and "fixing" intelligence to suit these aims.
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McKenzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 10:22 AM
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9. yes, this is orchestrated as you probably know
we live in desperate times and a lot of the apparent craziness is probably part of the same game plan.

What worries me is that the stakes are as high as they could possibly be. Any group (that's the only term I can think of right now) that deliberatly planned actions, leading to the killing of a lot of innocent people, is capable of anything. This is going to get very messy.

Expect severe nastiness as they try to hang on.
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Liberal_Andy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 09:54 AM
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6. Thanks, pberq!
great article.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 10:16 AM
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8. I have been posting the Nuremberg indictments at DU from the get-go.
They are very simple and straight-forward. These indictments could very easily apply to Bu$h and his murderous regime.

1. Conspiracy to commit crimes against peace.
2. Planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression.
3. War-Crimes.
4. Crimes against humanity.


In fact, the BBC today is running an article in which a UN official accuses the US of crimes against humanity:

US troops 'starve Iraqi citizens'

A senior United Nations official has accused US-led coalition troops of depriving Iraqi civilians of food and water in breach of humanitarian law.

Human rights investigator Jean Ziegler said they had driven people out of insurgent strongholds that were about to be attacked by cutting supplies.

Mr Ziegler, a Swiss-born sociologist, said such tactics were in breach of international law.
(More at link)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4344136.stm


While Bu$hco might be guilty of war crimes, crimes of war, atrocities, and crimes against humanity, never, ever forget that they are being perpetrated in our name. That is why it is imperative that the American people as a whole remove Bu$h and his regime from power.


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McKenzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 10:27 AM
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10. Your four points summarise the crimes succinctly...
...the trials of anyone accused of those crimes should take place within the International Criminal Court. The crimes are not domestic crimes; they transcend national boundaries.

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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 12:53 PM
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11. Thanks, DemoTex
I'm sorry I missed your earlier posts.
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