KKK television programming in Michigan

[CatWoman]

"The Klan," a video news program distributed by the Ku Klux Klan will be airing on MCTV in Midland. The first airing of the program will be on Saturday, October 22nd at 11:30 pm.

According to their website, the Ku Klux Klan brings "a message of hope and deliverance to white Christian America. A message of love, not hate."

On the site can be found links to sign anti-gay marriage petitions, messages that 'race-mixing' is unholy, and articles stating Martin Luther King Jr. had ties to the communist party.

http://www.wnem.com/Global/story.asp?S=3980511

[goclark]

1. and some people think Rev. Farrakan is the enemy

[CatWoman]

3. Yup

precisely why I posted this.

[_testify_]

6. so...it's okay to hate as long as you aren't in the Klan?

Farrakhan is good, just because the Klan is bad?

Why can't they both be the enemy?

[CatWoman]

7. Last time I checked

Farrakhan was going around lynching whites, burning crosses in their yards, denying whites the right to vote, etc.

[_testify_]

8. no, he hasnt done those things

but the Southern Poverty Law Center has labeled the NOI as a hate group.

So why would you criticize the people who think Minister Farrakhan and his ilk are extremists? Do you think that if a white person dislikes a black person they must secretly identify with the Klan?

[CatWoman]

9. I criticize the people who think Farrakhan as an extremist

cause they don't seem to possess the facts.

What is "extremist" about preaching self-reliance and family first to blacks?

[_testify_]

14. hmmm...

what about preaching (even though this has been thoroughly debunked) that Jews were the most culpable group in regards to slavery?

That's not extremist I guess? Or is it only extremist when whites are anti-semitic?

[Behind the Aegis]

53. Very good point!

If it is the Jews who are the victims...who cares?! Let's excuse the message of hate, because the new message is good for Blacks. :sarcasm:

When I see him move away from his anti-Semitic past, then I will see progress. It doesn't mean that his message to African-Americans should go unheard, as long as the message is not based in bigotry.

I am very distressed at the number of 'supporters' he has here. I am not talking about those who support his message of hope for Blacks, but him, as a person and his philosophy. I am distressed at the number of people willing to give him a "free pass," despite his background. What's next, support for Pat Buchanan because he was anti-war with Iraq?! Oh wait! Some here do support that!

[BurningDog]

51. There is nothing at all extremist about that...

However, that message gets overshadowed by the "Goverment murdered Black People by flooding an entire city!" publicity that he's seeking more than sending the message of self-reliance and family first.

[Tomee450]

13. How is Farrakhan the

enemey? Has he ever advocated killing anyone? Does he head an organization that believes in murdering and threatening people? When I've listened to Farrakhan, I've never heard him preaching hate.

[_testify_]

16. its called Black Separatism

and it's just as ignorant as white separatism.

[CatWoman]

24. it's called "self-reliance"

too bad you can't comprehend that.

besides -- separatism vs annihilation?

what's the most heinous view?

[_testify_]

27. self-reliance is fine by me

matter of fact, its the only way to go.

But if you tell someone they ought to be self-reliant because Whitey only wants to stick it to 'em, is no different than telling someone they need to watch their wallet around black people.

[Tomee450]

28. Why is it when

blacks preach doing for self, it's called separatism but when whites engage in the actual practice of separating themselves from blacks, that's acceptable. Talk about separatism? Blacks move into a white neighborhood, whites move out. We put our children in formerly all white public schools, and white students suddenly attend Catholic or other private schools. In some southern localities, the blacks try to attend the same proms as whites but were not welcome so they have two proms, one for whites, another for blacks. In Maryland, the white alumni of a school that was integrated, have a reunion but they don't invite the blacks. Please, you need to rethink what you are saying. The separatism is not on the part of blacks but on the part of whites. Why do you think so many whites now live in those gated communities? Even when blacks move into the suburbs, whites start to move even further out in an attempt to separate themselves from "those people."

[_testify_]

33. You must have missed the part

where I said it was just as ignorant as when white people do it.

Of course it's racist. But I am tired of the notion that racism is a one way street.

I am a white male. My family is lower class. I haven't been able to choose which neighborhood I want to live in, and I have been the in the minority as a white person in some of those neighborhoods. I have experienced being treated different, and while I make no claim that it even approaches what others have suffered, it's still wrong.

Isn't it?

The Nation of Islam does a lot of good for black people. But it also preaches that people like me are only out to hurt them.

[Tomee450]

41. I totally reject your assertions.

Some people believe only blacks can be criticized. And I also reject the notion that blacks are racists. Blacks sometimes dislike whites because of the many negative experiences they have had at the hands of white people. That is the reason for the dislike. Many whites, however, hate African Americans for no other reason than that they are black and those same whites discriminate against African Americans every chance they get. You may not be rich but you are not African American and please don't try to even compare your experience to that of black people. You need to read the books "Black Like Me" written many years ago and a newer version of the same experience written more recently by a different author and you will see how really good you have it compared to black people. The last writer, who also pretended he was black, couldn't last three weeks, he said the experience was so bad.

[_testify_]

42. Wow.

Did you also miss the part where I said I wouldnt even pretend to know what it's like?

You need to work on the reading comprehension skills.

If you truly reject the notion that blacks can be racists, I honestly have no further use for your conversation.

Never heard a black person use racial epithets towards Asians or Latinos?

Being prejudiced has no dependency on the color of the person's skin. All it takes is for someone to believe a particular group of people are inferior, and that said group has less rights.

[CatWoman]

43. and you need to cancel your "We Hate Farrakhan because he is a

racist who teaches separatism" fan club.

[_testify_]

46. Not sure what the hey you're going on about, but thanks for playing.

edited typo

[Catherine Vincent]

44. You also need to lay off with the personal attacks too.

Peace!

[Tomee450]

45. I stand by what I wrote.

What you perceive as racism is usually anger against those who have treated blacks badly. It's not the race for blacks, but the harsh treatment from many whites that is the reason why so many blacks distrust whites. That's not the reason for the hostility towards blacks displayed by many whites and some Asians and Latinos. They just dislike African Americans for no other reasons than that they are black. That's a fact which you wish to deny. My parents never sat around preaching hatred of white people as many whites preach hatred of blacks. They start early and so you see bigotry in very young white children. It's certainly not the black parents who tells their children that certain children are not good enough to play with. White parents have been known to demand that their children not be asked to share a dorm room with a black student. Some people really need to take their heads out of the sand.

[_testify_]

48. Look, I agree with what you just said.

There is (and should be) anger from the black community in America over the continued practice of overt and covert racism. There is anger towards white people, because of a perception that we're at fault. Hell, the Klan IS 100% white. I don't deny that there are morons with the same skintone as me who hate all black people.

The problem here, is that I am not one of those white people. And the moment that someone sees me and thinks that I am a bigot, or that I've got it made, or that I can't dance, before I've even said a word to them - that person is just as guilty as the ignorant fool who tells his kid he can't play with the black neighbors.

You talk about bigotry being taught to children, well, I was speaking to a black co-worker about a death in my girlfriend's family, and this person told me that white people don't grieve as deeply as black people. Not that white people even had any control over that, just that it isn't part of our genetic makeup.

Was that black person not a bigot? What if I had said that to her? Wouldn't you think I was racist?

I'm glad your parents taught you right. So did mine. It's okay if we all don't like each other - it's not likely even if we all looked alike. But don't kid yourself that ignorance can't exist in all corners.

If I offended you with the reading comprehension jab, I apologize.

[Greyhound]

15. Two sides of same coin. n/t

[_testify_]

19. you made my point in five words. well done. n/t

[Tomee450]

30. On one side,

the KKK, you have a group inclined to commit murder, distribute racist literature, burns crosses on lawns: on the other side, the NOI, you have an organization that has never engaged in such henious behavior. A big difference honest people will recognize.

[_testify_]

35. so its okay if you're just a little racist

or if you just like to preach it.

I completely agree with you - the KKK has a far more sick and experienced history than the NOI. An honest person CAN and SHOULD see that difference.

But I don't see a difference in the idea that hate-filled is hate-filled.

[Greyhound]

39. the biggest difference is the KKK is white (majority) and NoI is black

so they couldn't get away with the shit the KKK can.
Hate is hate.

[aresef]

47. *sining* Everyone's a little bit racist sometimes...

[Catherine Vincent]

36. Word!

[shenmue]

2. The idjits

They used to run a program on cable access called "Race and Reason" near where I live. It went off after a few shows. They also sponsored an adopt-a-highway sign, which was quickly torn down. Because you know, the one thing violent racist morons really believe in is the cleanliness of our roadways...

:eyes: :dunce: :thumbsdown:

[goclark]

5. Timothy McVey is from Upper Michigan

I rest my case.

[Pathwalker]

23. And Terry Nichols is from Lower Michigan.

If anyone's shocked that there's racism in Michigan, then you've never been here.

[5thGenDemocrat]

37. Tim McVeigh was from New York state

Though Terry Nichols was, indeed, from a farm outside Lapeer, MI -- which is located in the Thumb, about 50 miles north of Detroit.
As for Midland, it is a heavily Republican city, home to the Dow Chemical Company. The folks in the city itself are reasonably well-educated (a lot of chemical engineers, for example, as well as an above-average school district).
Dow money has also provided the city with a very good arts and cultural center, heavily used by people in Midland and the surrounding area (I live twenty miles from there).
The KKK won't appeal much to Midlanders -- though, by God, there are no shortage of hicks in the rural areas just outside of town. And, as this is (apparently) a public-access television station, I don't see what could be done to deny access to the Klan. Let 'em put their bullshit out there -- I suspect it will be universally ignored.
Midlanders, very broadly speaking, are more prone to class bigotry than racial bigotry. They do tend to look down their noses at those of us from Bay City or Saginaw, but I've always read their disdain as income-, rather than racially-based.
Anyhow, the KKK are simply not their type of people. Declasse', don't you know?
John
My opinion, of course. And I can't believe I'm defending Midland -- it isn't a place I go to very often, largely for the reasons enumerated above.

[goclark]

38. I've also heard that California is KKK happy too

They are going to have to be more visible because GWB will not be able to keep them underground much longer.

They are his real base of support.

[IronLionZion]

29. And Midland is in lower Michigan

look on a map

The American Nazi Party Headquarters are also in lower Michigan in Westland.

[mongo]

4. As repulsive as I find the KKK to be

If it's cable public access, then they have the right to be on with the rest of the programming.

The answer to this is to create a tolerance and diversity show and try to get the time slot right after. That and harrasement of the Local KKK through mail, protests, etc.

There are so many places where certain public access cable shows are hated by the Religious Right. We really can't sanitize society to the point where it is agreable to everyone.

[Tomee450]

18. Believe me, If there

was a black group with the history of the KKK, they would never be allowed to be on television. The Black Panthers were destroyed and they were an organization that had social programs for African American poor. Someone decided that the BP party was a danger and it is no more. I have never understand why the KKK, a domestic terrorist group, is allowed to continue to exist and spread it hate. It has influenced new generations of whites and continues to threaten African Americans.

[Blue_Tires]

26. well said n/t

[Greyhound]

40. Because those in power are sympathetic to their cause. It sucks, but

there ya go. Go amerikkka! :kick:

[cynatnite]

52. You are right about the original black panter party...

I recently read what happened to that organization and it's a disgrace.

There is what's called the 'New Black Panther Party'. This is what I would call 'KKK' like. It's been designated as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. They were caught distributing propaganda saying Israel had planned and carried out 9/11.

Many of the members broke from the Nation of Islam and formed this group.

I got this from Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Black_Panther_Party

Groups like these, as repugnant as they are and as vile as the message is, are entitled to their freedom of speech just as is anyone else. To stop their ability to speak out does great harm to the rest of us.

The best we can do is to counter groups like the KKK and others with a better and far more positive message.

[aresef]

10. Is this on public airwaves? Can't the FCC get their hate-fueled BS off?

[Opusnone]

21. Thanks to Reagan

they don't even have to offer opposing points of view. Remind me again what was so great about Reagan?

[Fenris]

11. "message of hope" and "Ku Klux Klan"

Oooookay.:crazy:

[Opusnone]

22. Talk about Orwellian

And controlling the message.
Hate is love, exclusion is inclusion, etc.

[FVZA_Colonel]

49. That's exactly what I thought.

Those are two phrases that just don't mix.

[aresef]

12. And their website makes me sick.

Those effing psychos.

[Catherine Vincent]

17. This is okay yet Janet Jackson's tit is not?

[CatWoman]

20. bwahahahahahaha

:hi:

[koopie57]

25. Think we will see this show on

HGTV? If they put this show on opposite of Will and Grace will our cable explode?

[thebigidea]

31. wow, that's just like that Mr. Show sketch, "The NEW KKK"

damn prophets!

[Cleita]

32. How awful, but

I'm not against these people putting their agenda out in public so people can really see how hateful it is. I never liked the fact that they operated under cover, so that even people who are the most part not racist, will often agree with their agenda, like the Minutemen on the border, who are nothing more than White Supremists.

[mongo]

34. Good post.

The more light that gets shed on them, the less power they will have.

[DaveColorado]

50. We have a first amendment in this country

That means the Klan and Louis Farrakhan can say what they wish, and I can choose to ignore them (and disagree).

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

54. Yes, let them talk, let people see what they are

In the past my local cable access aired a program produced by the KKK. They aired it only a few times and followed it with a station rep explaining cable access policy in an attempt to distance the channel from the content. I don't know if it was an official Klan production; as I recall it was produced in Indiana. It was two Klansmen in robes sans hoods sitting outside at a picnic table and spewing racist filth. They were miserable specimens of humanity, let alone the white race, and they came across about as well as when Klansmen have appeared on the Jerry Springer show.