Millions More March or rioting in Toledo?

[Kurovski]

Which do you think CNN and FOX covered for two hours?

The rally where hundreds of thousands are speaking of Faith, family and solidarity? Where they are focusing a light on the crimes and negligence of the Bush administration?

Or is it the (alleged) gangs of dozens who met planned neo-nazi marchers in their own neighborhood? The small riot and looting?

That's correct, the riot. I'm not much of a "COINCIDENCE theorist" anymore. There are far too many "coincidences" occurring in our government and media these days to subscribe to that nonsense.

So my question is; who might be the official White House liaison to the neo-nazi party?

[knowbody0]

1. two dozen

vs 1.8 million.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

3. They had 1.8 million today?

Wow! That is very impressive.

[Blue_In_AK]

21. Was it that many more than 9/24?

I'm sorry, I haven't watched any coverage today.

[ultraist]

22. Yes, there were a LOT more people there today than on 9-24

According to DC cops count: around 1.8 million

[Blue_In_AK]

23. Wow, I'm impressed, too.

The 9/24 crowd looked pretty big to me from deep inside it where I was.

[file83]

2. What are you talking about? LINKS to ARTICLES or something...

...throw us a friggin' bone! Need some sort of background on what you are talking about.
:shrug:

[Democrats_win]

4. Link & article

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051015/BREAKINGNEWS/51015023

Violence erupts in North Toledo after Nazi march is canceled; mayor declares curfew

BLADE STAFF AND WIRE REPORTS

Violence continued to erupt in a North Toledo neighborhood this afternoon where a Nazi march had been planned earlier in the day.

Protesters who had gathered for the rally, which was canceled because of disturbances, looted a gas station and liquor store and then set the liquor store on fire. Assaults also were being reported.

Mayor Jack Ford, Fire Chief Mike Bell, and community leaders all tried unsuccesfully to quell the uprising. Mayor Ford has declared a state of emergency and an 8 p.m. curfew.

About 60 percent of the Toledo police force was at the scene. Police officers, wearing gas masks, fired tear gas into the crowd.

"This has a real potential for a lot of bloodshed," Police Chief Mike Navarre warned a large group of officers, part of the 150 deployed to provide security for the march.

Police in helicopters, cruisers, bicycles and on horses chased bands of youths throughout the afternoon. Officers wearing gas masks fired tear gas canisters and flash-bang devices designed to stun suspects, only to see the groups reappear nearby and resume throwing rocks and bottles. At least six people were arrested.

Navarre said officers had a report of a man shot in the area, but they had not found a victim. No other injuries had been reported, Navarre said.

At least two dozen members of the National Socialist Movement, which calls itself "America's Nazi Party," gathered at a city park just before noon and were to march under police protection. Organizers of the march said they were demonstrating against black gangs that they said were harassing white residents in the neighborhood.

Violence broke out about one-quarter of a mile away from the park along the planned one-mile route. By midafternoon, Navarre said he believed all the members of the Nazi group had left the city.

Thomas Frisch, 76, said a large group of men destroyed the exterior of a gas station next to his home of 30 years.

"A whole big gang started to come in here. Next thing you know, they're jumping on the car. Then they overturned it. Then they started on the building, breaking windows, ripping the bars off," he said.

more at the link

[file83]

11. Thank you - AHHHH.....now I understand.

[proud patriot]

25. Democrats_win please read

In the future please limit your snips of articles to 4
paragraphs as per the Democratic Underground copyright
rules .

proud patriot Moderator
Democratic Underground

[ultraist]

6. A neonazi group is marching in Ohio today

Expected up to maybe 50 people from 6 states.

Meanwhile, nearly 2 MILLION people are marching on the mall in DC.

[Kurovski]

7. CNN and Fox covered the riot for two hours.

I saw no coverage of the Millons more March.

The march: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5069447&mesg_id=5069447

The riot: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1851991

[deadparrot]

5. Let them report on the rioting.

It makes the neo-Nazi RWers look even worse than they already do.

[Kurovski]

9. But the focus in the media was on African American looters.

The footage of the looting was played on a loop.

"Nazi" was mentioned very little.

I think "blacks looting again" was the meme, and it was mission accomplished.

However, I hope your assessment is correct, but The media was most definitely directing attention to the looting.

The Millions More March is being ignored.

CNN just did another blurb and showed kids breaking a windshield.

[deadparrot]

15. Like I said before,

I'm not sure that even if the public DID know about the march, they would care enough to tune in. In the eyes of the average American viewer, "talk" is fairly uninteresting.

In response to the "black looting" that the MSM was going for, we saw a similar tactic with Katrina, it didn't change the fact that the vast majority of the public disapproved of the federal response to the disaster. Apart from that Bush's loyal base, people were more appalled by the conditions in NO as a result of Bush's idiocy than by the looters.

[Kurovski]

17. You've convinced me on one point,

it was only the most dyed-in-the-wool racists who fell for the ugly message planted within the Katrina disaster.

They're still trying. If nothing else, the media are gripping as tightly as they can to Bush's racist base, keeping them fired-up.

I still disagree on the "talk" point. Talk radio is huge.

When people hear a message that they rarely hear and happen to believe is important, they become very excited indeed.

[deadparrot]

20. Still, much of the "talk" on talk radio

comes from the RW reactionaries who use bombastic, extremist language. Messages of peace are often drowned out by the "let's kill 'em!" crowd.

[Kurovski]

26. I'm guessing that when times are as difficult as they are today,

people will be looking for a message. In a post below you mentioned that you don't think people will bother much. I agree when times are good that that is the case. Rough times tend to have folks pricking up their ears. The media unfortunately is following the same pattern in Germany in the late 20's, early 30's, when times were economically bad and the nation was demoralized.

They're looking for a scapegoat.

The media had a choice to make in just what message to air about black America today. The DC gathering and the Toledo dust-up were both just stories when you get down to it, but their focus told the story of the media's propagandic utility to the right-wing.

We already know that, but it still is an outrage to me, especially after the media began to do a good job during Katrina.

I also, like you, don't think Americans will fall for the message the media sent today. You either fall into a pattern of racism or you don't. But the media has failed miserably today.

People say they want to hear good news, and the network broadcasts give them plenty of feel-good stories. The Millions more Movement falls into that category, why would the media NOT give people more of what many tune in for?

[TheFarseer]

10. Are you sure most people associate

Neo-nazis with republicans? I'm not sure they do. I don't know why we get hung with child molesters and death-row inmates (who aren't even political and wouldn't necessarily vote democrat anyway) and republiclowns can't even get hung with Neo-nazis who are most certainly political and definitely vote republican.

[deadparrot]

12. Are you sure anyone would even care about the March?

Of course, it's wonderful news to us liberals, but it's not exactly the kind of stuff that draws viewers. The American public isn't really attuned to those issues, unfortunately. :(

[Kurovski]

14. How can they be attuned to anything if it's not reported upon.

There are PLENTY of people who are starving to hear citizens speaking truth to power at gatherings such as today's in DC. And there are more added to the list of the hungry each day.

[deadparrot]

16. Perhaps,

but I tend to think not. I honestly think that most Americans believe that "talk is cheap." We're generally more drawn to the "act now, talk later" philosophy. We like the quick solution, the punchy slogan--complexity is widely seen as a vice. That's how we got into Iraq. I just don't think most Americans have the attention span to listen to, and digest the message of, these wonderful speakers. They beg a higher level of comprehension than most Americans are used to, IMHO.

[Kurovski]

28. I agree that as a nation, we like quick fixes and action,

but I don't think we went into Iraq because of that.

The majority of Americans were against invading Iraq. The administration and the media tried and tried for months to up those numbers with a playlist of canards until they landed the winner.

They literally threatened our lives if we did not enter the war.

"Saddam had nukes. Saddam was months away from having nukes, Saddam can launch missiles at us in an hour."

When you're told you could die in your bed at any time, that would be the time to act.

But entire families have indeed died at home in their beds, and America is appalled that they were party to such a vicious thing based on lies.

I think Americans who have their suspicions, who do not already know full-out how they were lied into war, are especially willing to hear some talk.

Only extremists take killing lightly, as you point out in your post about RW radio aficionados.

[Kurovski]

13. No I'm not sure either that folks always equate nazi and right-wing.,

The nazi group has been named the "National Socialist Movement". You know a lot of folks will see "socialist" and think "left" or "liberal".

I know that some right-wingers for obvious reasons like to waste time arguing that the nazi's were leftists.

This was planned out, the nazi group was taken away by police almost immediately.

[Aimah]

8. Not a Surprise

I'm not shocked the media chose to focus on a small riot vs the peaceful meeting of people.

Condi is probably the Neo-Nazi liaison she has the number on speed dial.

[Kurovski]

19. With only 2% support for Bush from African-Americans,

anything goes.

Do you think Bush wept in shame and sorrow when he saw how many in the community reject him?

[Aimah]

24. 2% Support

I live in Indianapolis where we have the largest Black Expo in the country. Every year the Republican party buys table space and every year they sit there looking bored. People look at the table as if aliens landed in the convention center.

There is a growing number of rich Christian preachers that are supporting Bush. It seems though that their followers aren't really following them in that direction.

[Kurovski]

27. Hehehe! "aliens landed".

Welcome to DU, Aimah! :hi:

[Aimah]

31. Well Kanye said that Bush doesn't care about Black people.

I'd assume he's still sleeping well.

[belle]

18. WTF is going on with Ohio, anyway? There's that nutjob Parsley, too...

Seriously, is it just me or is Ohio becoming the epicenter for the off-the-scale right wing these days?

[Kurovski]

29. Janet "Parsley"? Dried and flaked and blown away

by Randi Rhodes?

[tsuki]

30. Go to the

Toledo Blade every couple of days. It's a great paper. The Reporters actually report. That's why it seems like Ohio is becoming the epicenter for off the wall RWers. I personally think that the RW is doing the same in other states. They just don't have the level of reporting.