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ChowChowChow Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 04:18 PM
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Judy Miller LIES again SHE IS A MONSTER!
Edited on Sat Oct-15-05 04:23 PM by ChowChowChow
In her article she lies like a rug....she plays the "I DON'T RECALL" game......She is a monster that needs to be in jail!
here is her article...I am upset and OUTRAGED!

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/16/national/16miller.html
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 04:29 PM
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1. So what exactly does all this mean?
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ChowChowChow Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 04:41 PM
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6. IT MEANS
She is a liar and fabricator...OH...we already knew that from her WMD articles that were dictated to her by Ol Scotter boy....What a joke...I cannot believe how angry I am at the Times for allowing her to BULLSHIT all of us who have been reading that paper for years ...and until recently...thought they would tell us the truth...I hope Judy gets fried and refried on EVERY talk shhow tomm. OUTRAGEOUS...the Times should have NEVER published this article...Better to publish one of Jayson Blairs old ones...same GARBAGE....YUCK!
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 04:30 PM
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2. She's very obviously lying.
If I have two to three conversations with someone about the *same person*, I'd be pretty sure whether someone is telling *me* about this person or not.
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 04:35 PM
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3. Can't recall??!!!
:grr: :grr: :grr:
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 06:25 PM
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16. Like "I can't recall if there was a cupcake in the kitchen although there
may have been and I was in the kitchen around the time it disappeared but I can't recall when or if I could have eaten it although the crumbs on my mouth might suggest that it may have happened. But I just can't recall."

Incredible to see all these high-powered movers and shakers reduced to schoolkid like excuses and memory lapses. One imagines the grand jury has a similar reaction to all this forgetfulness, self justification and ass covering.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 04:39 PM
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4. Seriously? Did you actually expect any better?
These guys have lied and lied blatantly and outrageously for years now. The press just regurgitates the lies. The public nods in agreement like lemmings. And the Democrats are suspiciously silent.

I am no longer outraged.
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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 05:35 PM
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11. Really. This was to be expected. /nt
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SillyGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 04:40 PM
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5. After reading the two articles posted at the NYT, I think she's full
of it. She wasn't truthful with her readers and if what's contained in those two articles is what she told the GJ, it doesn't look like she was truthful with them either. Its bullsh*
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 05:02 PM
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7. Like this?
"Mr. Fitzgerald asked if I could recall discussing the Wilson-Plame connection with other sources. I said I had, though I could not recall any by name or when those conversations occurred."

"I said I couldn't be certain whether I had known Ms. Plame's identity before this meeting, and I had no clear memory of the context of our conversation that resulted in this notation."

"I believe I spoke to Mr. Libby by telephone from my home in Sag Harbor, N.Y."

How can she be sure she doesn't accidentally reveal the names of confidential sources during these frequent memory lapses?

So, let me get this straight. Libby says that the CIA was trying to shift the blame to the WH in case the Agency provided faulty information and the WH ran with it?

Otay... If Judy didn't have clearance, I presume Scooter will get in some trouble for this?

"I told Mr. Fitzgerald that Mr. Libby might have thought I still had security clearance, given my special embedded status in Iraq. At the same time, I told the grand jury I thought that at our July 8 meeting I might have expressed frustration to Mr. Libby that I was not permitted to discuss with editors some of the more sensitive information about Iraq.

Mr. Fitzgerald asked me if I knew whether I was cleared to discuss classified information at the time of my meetings with Mr. Libby. I said I did not know."

BTW: Valerie Flame? Victoria Wilson? Judy, what's with you?

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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 05:05 PM
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8. I prefer the term "Perjurer" to the word liar
Edited on Sat Oct-15-05 05:05 PM by Jacobin
since there is jail time for perjury.

:-)


:woohoo:
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 05:14 PM
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9. How I wish that I.F. Stone were...
... still alive and writing about Washington. Izzy Stone would have peeled this case like an apple. He never had to cozy up to his sources to get information, and he knew more than anyone in that town about what was going on.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 05:24 PM
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10. It means she is not cooperating with Fitzgerald.
It means that she tried her best to cover for Libby, but her notes show she probably talked to him about Plame, and he most likely told her that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA and in what part of the Agency Wilson's wife worked.

Judy Miller omits a lot of information, but it is clear that she was taking the administration's side in the struggle between the CIA and the administration to avoid taking responsibility for the "fixing" of the intelligence prior to the Iraq War.

Miller initiated the conversation with Libby and places it in the context not of harming Wilson, but of getting to the bottom of what the "errors" in the Iraq intelligence. I have been wondering whether she already had wind that the NYT was thinking about publishing Wilson's memo. If so, that would explain how Libby's statements would have been part of a broad campaign to punish Wilson by outing Plame.
Miller states:
. . . .
On the afternoon of June 23, 2003, I arrived at the Old Executive Office Building to interview Mr. Libby, who was known to be an avid consumer of prewar intelligence assessments, which were already coming under fierce criticism. The first entry in my reporter's notebook from this interview neatly captured the question foremost in my mind.
"Was the intell slanted?" I wrote, referring to the intelligence assessments of Iraq and underlining the word "slanted."

. . . .

My interview notes show that Mr. Libby sought from the beginning, before Mr. Wilson's name became public, to insulate his boss from Mr. Wilson's charges. According to my notes, he told me at our June meeting that Mr. Cheney did not know of Mr. Wilson, much less know that Mr. Wilson had traveled to Niger, in West Africa, to verify reports that Iraq was seeking to acquire uranium for a weapons program.


. . . .
Soon afterward Mr. Libby raised the subject of Mr. Wilson's wife for the first time. I wrote in my notes, inside parentheses, "Wife works in bureau?" I told Mr. Fitzgerald that I believed this was the first time I had been told that Mr. Wilson's wife might work for the C.I.A. The prosecutor asked me whether the word "bureau" might not mean the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Yes, I told him, normally. But Mr. Libby had been discussing the C.I.A., and therefore my impression was that he had been speaking about a particular bureau within the agency that dealt with the spread of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons. As to the question mark, I said I wasn't sure what it meant. Maybe it meant I found the statement interesting. Maybe Mr. Libby was not certain whether Mr. Wilson's wife actually worked there.
. . . .

The fact that Libby did not want to be known as a senior administration official but rather as a former Hill staffer suggests that he was trying to conceal his identity even more than usual. This suggests that he felt he was doing something wrong --- hiding his true identity more than usual indicates culpability.

Miller met with Libby again on July 8 for breakfast. Of that meeting, she says:

At that breakfast meeting, our conversation also turned to Mr. Wilson's wife. My notes contain a phrase inside parentheses: "Wife works at Winpac." Mr. Fitzgerald asked what that meant. Winpac stood for Weapons Intelligence, Non-Proliferation, and Arms Control, the name of a unit within the C.I.A. that, among other things, analyzes the spread of unconventional weapons.
. . . .

Looks like Libby was obsessing about Plame pretty early on, and he sure knew a lot about her. All in all, Miller's testimony and her interpretation of her notes has a rather contrived feeling -- contrived to protect Libby and protect other sources. The evidence clearly indicates that Libby was talking to Miller an awful lot about Plame and Wilson considering that Miller claims she was trying to find out what went wrong with the intelligence in Iraq. Miller's story doesn't compute. If indictments do come out, she will have a tough time in cross-examination. Her story is about as watertight as the New Orleans levees, and a good prosecutor is going to be able to pretty much destroy it on cross-examination. Considering that Miller admitted that the part of Libby's letter might have been to pressure her about testimony, it makes you wonder what other, perhaps stronger evidence there may be of obstruction of justice.

Interesting discussion about whether Miller still had security clearance when she talked to Libby. I wonder whether she had sources in the CIA or military or used her association with the group that was searching for WMDs in Iraq to get information about Plame? Maybe that is how she got the Plame name? If she still had clearance, could she be indicted for discussing the Plame information with journalists who did not have clearance? She could have been the source. All in all, Miller's discussion of her testimony raises more questions than it answers.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 05:47 PM
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13. Sometimes when a person says "according to my notes ...."
They mean "this isn't what happened, which I remember clearly, but I can use my notes to try to sell something else."

She's one of THEM, I'm telling ya.



http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst/
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 06:06 PM
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14. And the NYTimes just prints her lies like they were fact.
stoopid feckers.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 06:16 PM
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15. You mean, the NYT STILL just prints her lies like they were fact.
Yet again. And then pats themselves on the back for a job well done as they shovel her shit to the public. Ugh.

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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 06:26 PM
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17. I don't know how they expect us to believe anything they say.
I don't.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 06:41 PM
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19. I expect the NYT will yet again play the unfairly criticized victim when
the public response to their much awaited "truth telling" is a resounding "you blew it again." Miller did not fully cooperate with the Times reporters for their story and the story, while it contained some criticism, largely pulled its punches.

They need a house cleaning and more than just Judy should go on an indefinite leave of absence. That includes Keller, Abramson and Sulzburger the publisher.
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 06:57 PM
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22. Don't flame me for asking, but would a big strong man reporter
get this "pull the punches" treatment? Are they treating the story like this because she is small, cute, and a woman?
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 07:19 PM
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24. I think it's more that to do a real honest unfettered treatment, the NYT
Edited on Sat Oct-15-05 07:25 PM by Garbo 2004
would have to excoriate itself, how it's run and its reporting. Including its previous apparent favoritism of Judy, the Times' own smug arrogance and its participation in the power elite and role as an "opinion maker." Judy's an extreme example of what's wrong with the corporate media.

NYT reporters would have a really hard time I think turning a truly harsh light of scrutiny on the NYT itself. It's Judy and the NYT management tied together. Excoriating Judy and countering her claims (with facts) would involve reaming the NYT management/editors/reporting in a manner that the NYT has not done before, even in its previous "mea culpa" about it's Iraq reporting.

It's not just Judy, it's institutional IMO.

By the way, Arianna posted a comment and promises more to come, including an appearance on CNN's Reliable Sources Sunday morning to discuss the NYT/Judy thing. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/times-judyculp_b_8938.html
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 06:33 PM
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18. I hope Fitz is looking into DAVID KELLY CONNECTION. nt
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 06:44 PM
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20. Is this the big "explanation" that's been touted so much?
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 06:52 PM
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21. "Judy. It's Scooter Libby." How poignantly indicative of nothing.
Am I missing something? How does that answer Fitz' question to Miller? He asked her how she interpreted "Out West, where you vacation, the aspens will already be turning. They turn in clusters, because their roots connect them."

Help me out here. What's her answer?
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-15-05 07:07 PM
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23. Before the article even came out, we discussed it last night at DU
Edited on Sat Oct-15-05 07:07 PM by Lex
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