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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 03:38 AM
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Original leaker in Plamegate: Senate Reject and Asshole John Bolton
It`s just a hunch, but remember those documents the Democrats demanded from the Bushies during Bolton`s Senate Rejection..er..um Confirmation Hearings:

The White House arrogantly REFUSED to hand them over! Must be something REALLY DAMNING in them don`t you think!!!!!

Perhaps something like this...

Made unusual number of requests for transcripts of secret conversations involving high-level U.S. officials:

As Under Secretary of State, BOLTON REQUESTED AND RECEIVED THE IDENTITIES OF 10 DIFFERENT US OFFICIALS WHOSE CONVERSATIONS HE READ IN TOP-SECRET NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY INTERCEPTS.
While it is not unheard of for U.S. officials to make these kinds of requests, ten “is unusually high for one person,” according to an intelligence official. Bolton did not acknowledge a request "for the names of the U.S. officials whose identities he sought, leaving some to believe that he was spying on his superiors and colleagues to advance his own agenda.

HMMMMM...

BUT WAIT THERE`S MORE:

Allegedly promoted faulty intelligence on Iraqi nuclear program: According to Congressman Henry Waxman, Bolton was the key proponent of the now-discredited claim that Iraq was seeking to acquire uranium from Niger to build nuclear weapons. In a letter to Representative Christopher Shays, Waxman writes that Bolton saw to it that the claim was included in President Bush’s 2002 State of the Union Address and then covered his tracks by using State Department secrecy rules.

SAY IT AIN`T SO!!!! SO WHEN WILSON CAME BACK FROM NIGER, AND EXPOSED BOLTON`S AND THE BUSH ADMIN`S LIES, AND EMBARASSED THE SHIT OUT OF HIM...BOLTON, BEING THE ARROGANT PRICK THAT HE IS, DECIDED HE WAS GONNA SHOW THAT WILSON GUY THAT YOU DO. NOT. FUCK. WITH JOHN BOLTON.

There`s your motive.

He`s also the only one of these criminals..no these TRAITORS who has NOT been interviewed or given testimony in front of the Grand Jury, which usually means you are one of the targets...if not THE target.

Yup. It`s Bolton. I`ll bet a $50.00 donation to DU that Bolton is the original leaker.



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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 03:40 AM
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1. I think that there
is a very good chance that he was the original source of the information regarding Plame's employment.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 09:26 AM
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12. Does that imply that he will be the sole indictment ????
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 03:41 AM
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2. As you point out, his personality profile fits that of the perpetrator
of this kind of vengeful crime. But it is probably that if there was a violation of law, more than one person was involved.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 03:43 AM
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3. Well, I won't take you up on that bet...
...because it's been my hunch all along too. And I thought that even BEFORE I saw H20 Man's reply!
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 03:46 AM
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4. remember he is one of those who went to visit the millr woman in jail?
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 03:56 AM
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6. Good point. More Connections All their slimy tenticles are intertwined
it`d be more disgusting if it weren`t so evil and vile and dangerous.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 04:52 AM
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8. Not tentacle, roots. They're quaking aspens, all connected.
Libby said so.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:31 PM
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17. What a weirdo. Does that mean he's gonna squeel on his boss?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 03:50 AM
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5. Yeah, I wrote that up in July
http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/?view=plink&id=1204

In the frenzy to “get Rove”, we need to be careful not to lose the bigger picture. If Rove did speak to Cooper about Valerie Plame, how’d he get her name in the first place? Who did Novak talk to at the CIA and was it the same person who didn’t insist the 16 Words be eliminated from the SOTU? Who did the CIA allow to trump their own intelligence views?

I’d say that takes us right back to the Office of Special Plans and those 16 Words. Rumsfeld, Cheney, and… John Bolton. Let’s remember “The OSP bypasses established oversight procedures by sending its intelligence assessments directly to the White House and National Security Council without having them first vetted…”, communications with the CIA were handled by Lewis “Scooter” Libby, Cheney’s National Security Adviser. No, he’s not just a Chief of Staff. It was long suspected that the 16 Words originated with the OSP and the CIA was unable to override their authority.

The justification for the 16 Words was a State Dept Fact Sheet, “Boucher later says July 14, 2003, that the Niger information was “prepared in other bureaus of the State Department,” but he does not say which bureaus were involved. The fact sheet was not cleared by the State Department’s intelligence bureau, according to knowledgeable sources.” The Washington Note reported, according to a letter from Congressman Waxman “On pages 5-7, Waxman reveals that John Bolton promulgated the Niger-Uranium fiction at the State Department despite rejection of this claim by State Department and CIA intelligence analysts.”

Considering all of this information, and Cheney’s early 2002 request for more information regarding the Niger yellowcake, it is highly unlikely that the OSP did not know of Mr. Wilson’s activities. It also seems likely to me that one of the names on the Bolton compromise list regarding the NSA intercepts might well be that of Valerie Plame or Joseph Wilson.


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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 03:58 AM
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7. I remember that! (nt)
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 05:58 AM
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9. Dont' forget what Bolton did to the Cuba analysts
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7369509/site/newsweek/
Accusations that Bolton pressured intel specialists on Cuba have circulated since at least 2003, when congressional intelligence committees looked into allegations that intel analysts were urged to issue alarming reports about Saddam Hussein's unconventional weapons. The hearings produced little evidence of that. But State Department WMD analyst Christian Westermann testified that he tangled with Bolton about a speech on Cuban germ warfare. According to a Senate intel committee report, Westermann says he sent the CIA an e-mail proposing changes in Bolton's speech. Bolton later got a copy of the e-mail, "berated" Westermann and tried to have the analyst transferred. Westermann wasn't reassigned.

The second case Bolton's congressional critics are examining involves a senior intelligence-community Latin America analyst. Congressional and administration sources say Bush foreign-policy aides—including Bolton and Otto Reich, a top policymaker on Latin America—tried to have the analyst, who today serves undercover, fired. They then tried to block him from being promoted because they believed he was too soft on Cuba, and because he was once assigned to President Bill Clinton's National Security Council. Reich tells NEWSWEEK that he believed the analyst's work was "unreliable." Reich says he discussed his views with Bolton and "other colleagues" and that he wrote a secret letter to the analyst's bosses critiquing the expert's work. But a former official says George Tenet, who was then CIA director, resisted pressure from Bolton and Reich, and the analyst was ultimately promoted.

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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:34 PM
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18. Just in that story we see that Bolton is: a pathological liar, a bully, a
connaiving evil villain, a dick, and an asshole (because he's full of shit)

motive,
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 07:26 AM
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10. And Didn't They Say That Bolton's
appointment to the U.N. would remove him from any possibility of indictment or conviction? He and Miller's visits haunted me and I don't know why. Was it "in your face" or were they so desperate to talk to each other, they took a chance it would be made public?
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 11:47 AM
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13. I think that UN diplomats have immunity from prosecution, but it can
be stripped away, like has been done for some in the Iraqi Oil for Food scandal.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 10:38 AM
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28. I asked the immunity question back during Bolton's confirmation hearings
and was told that diplomatic immunity only applies to diplomats serving in a foreign land, who are immune to the host country's laws.

So, Bolton wouldn't have immunity from our laws, thank God.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 09:17 AM
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11. I agree, Bolton is intricately involved in this
His visit to Miller while she was incarcerated firmed up my suspicion that he was involved in this up to his eyebrows. It makes eminent sense to me that he is that 'other source' that Miller 'can't remember who' and one of the two senior officials that Novak said were his sources.

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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 11:49 AM
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14. It`s all falling into place. Why else would the WH so protective of
those documents

Why else would they be so INSISTENT he be at the UN if not to protect him from indictment
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:53 PM
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20. I do not know...
that Diplomatic Immunity would apply to prior crimes... I would think not.

BUTTTT he was with the UN while visiting Miller in prison, and I assume he could have committed crimes during the visit such as suborning of perjury, witness tampering and obstruction of
justice.

In fact, if he has immunity/protection from prosecution for crimes during this time, he would be the PERFECT person to do the job.

I hope someone jumps in here to tell us just what, if any, immunity he carries.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 10:25 AM
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24. right on, TIW. (nt)
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 10:28 AM
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27. I Don't Think Diplomatic Immunity Covers Activities in Your Own Country
I thought it was for overseas activities, but I could be wrong.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 10:29 PM
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15. Anyone want to match my donation fo DU if I'm right about Bolton?
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:30 PM
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16. Is that because you all think I'm right? Or are you broke? (nt)
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buzzard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 07:00 PM
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21. I'll take you up on it, although it was my thought as well that he
was the leaker.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 10:24 AM
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23. kewl..(nt)
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:43 PM
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19. Sooooo glad you posted this, goodboy,
because I have thought for some time that he is one of the major actors in this.

When chimp recess-appointed him to the U.N., I thought, "How fucking stupid!! It won't save him from indictment, and it will be HUGELY embarrassing for Bushco when he IS indicted."
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 08:43 PM
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22. Ok, I will take you up on your bet, just one clarification
Does Bolton have to be indicted? Because Fitz may not have enough evidence to indict him but may still implicate Bolton as the original leaker.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 10:27 AM
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25. Yeah, I've Also Said As Much and Remarked on the Intercepts
I wonder if Fitz has seen those interecepts? :evilgrin:
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 10:27 AM
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26. I concur -- he was looking at raw intelligence when he was at STate
Raw intelligence has NOC agent's real names rather than the pseudonyms that are inserted when analysts go over the data.

My money is on Bolton too. He had means, motive and opportunity.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 11:07 AM
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29. And can you imagine all this sneaking,conniving and posturing going on and
Bolton NOT being right in the middle of it?

I can't. This whole thing sounds much more like his stock in trade than, say Libby's or Hadley's - - at least as far as I know.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 11:15 AM
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30. He doesn't have immunity
and immunity would not apply here anyway, this is a capitol crime TREASON. There isn't anywhere to hide from that. The only reason he went to see miller in my thinking was because he knows she knows something that will fry his ass but good.
He's scared, scared and stupid right now, he knows what's coming at him, and it won't be pretty, there isn't anyway bolton will escape this net.
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