Ohio riots! They got sick of that white supremacy BS

[lonestarnot]

http://www.yahoo.com/_ylh=X3oDMTB2MXQ5MTU3BF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEdGVzdAMwBHRtcGwDaW5kZXgtaWU-/s/135783/*http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051016/ap_on_re_us/nazi_march

Damn I can't say that I blame them, but do we have to tear up stuff?

I guess there just comes a point where it doesn't matter what you tear up. sigh........

[Retired AF Dem]

1. You can just hear the Nazi scum saying

"we told you so"

[OnionPatch]

2. What were they expecting from the locals?

Balloons and banners?

If I were with those locals I can't say I wouldn't have been righteously PISSED. The nerve of those racist F**ks!!!

[Conservativesux]

63. Its too bad the brownshirts didnt get some rocks upside the head...

before the cops gave them the bum's rush out of town. :evilgrin:

I hate these rasict ass-clowns!!

[DawnneOBTS]

3. This is just scary...

...this white supremacist shit. It's like it was the 1950s all over again. And this is what the Repukes are all about, isn't it? Back to the good ole Eisenhower and McCarthy "you're all gonna die days."

[lonestarnot]

4. This is totatally what the situation reminds me of and not changing any

time soon!

[spanone]

12. They are emboldened by the Nazi White House.

[Selatius]

5. I understand the anger, not the part about tearing up your own town though

Why did they take it out on their own neighborhoods and shops? You'd think the anger would be mainly focused on the police and government buildings as well as the fascists themselves.

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[xchrom]

23. oh please --

get real.

if those fucks had come near me and mine -- i'd tear it all up.

so would any rational person -- there's a time to be quiescent and time to burn it up.

this was one of those times.

that march was meant to intimidate -- this is what they get for allowing the march -- and it's what they should get.

[derby378]

28. konighunDU is right

These rioters were only fouling their own nests. They didn't get anywhere near the Nazi demonstration. It's Rodney King all over again.

[tx_dem41]

70. So you can either be quiescent or "burn it up"...

okaayyyy. :eyes:

[Dorian Gray]

25. I agree....

This is truly sad. I, too, understand the anger. But, I hate to see anybody resorting to riotting. It's ineffectual, and it just destroys their own home.

[insane_cratic_gal]

68. rioting draw attention of the media

So it very effectual to show the current state of affairs hasn't changed all that must in 200 years of freedom.

Hate is just as ugly as violence.


Remember this is a community of people who were disenfranchised last year from voting! Has one thing been done to change the status for them in 2006?

[Conservativesux]

62. News said the police got the Nazi-scum out of there, before the riots.

...really got started.

I guess they were just protecting then poor old White-boys from dem' bad @ss Black folk they hate so much.

[The Backlash Cometh]

7. Why should any of us be surprised?

When Republicans are pushing chaos economics, why would it surprise anyone that chaos will bleed into the social order?

[lonestarnot]

9. Not surprised, not one bit surprised. sigh again.....

[fredtaylor]

8. What if

They (Nazi/national socialists) held a protest and no one showed up? You give them the attention they want and that brings them back for more. These are the type of idiot who crave attention and should be ignored. If I recall, some neo nazi group protested in my hometown of Dayton not long ago at courthouse square (maybe it was the Klan, I don't remember and I didn't go). Let them have their cute little march, but we should be doing something way more produtive with our time than counter-protesting something so stupid.

[lonestarnot]

11. Ignore mold and it grows into more mold, and more mold and more mold

[fredtaylor]

13. Not in the case of these groups

When the "mold" you're dealing with is only there to cause a stir and nothing else, they will die without attention. They have no real agenda and are far far far right wingers that don't warrent or deserve attention.

[lonestarnot]

14. When do they get attention then after the lynchings? At least when

they are marching they are not torturing or killing anyone. And they are out where they can be discovered... pull the damn sheets off of them and take a good look.

[fredtaylor]

15. When was the last klan lynching? eom

eom

[lonestarnot]

17. Do you remember the dude that was tied to the back of a pickup and drug

until all of his parts fell off, believe this was Texas.

[fredtaylor]

20. yes it was 1999 EOM

EOM

[lonestarnot]

19. There are hate crimes every single day. Are you kidding?

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. hate crimes every day and you ignore these pukes at your

onw risk

[goclark]

54. In New Orleans a few weeks ago ~ it was in the water instead of in a tree

[fredtaylor]

57. ?

Please don't tell me that the Klan caused the levee to break?

[goclark]

59. I sure hope not but

lynching comes in all kinds od ways.

[fredtaylor]

60. Natural disaster

Don't buy into Louis' hype that levee's were blown up. Please!

[goclark]

66. The levee issue was on my emails way before Farrakan talked about it

Every one that I know that has relatives from the 9th Ward was sending me emails/articles about it and telling me about it WEEKS ago.

It made international news!

The levee situation is NOT Ferrakan's, he was only ONE of the thousands of messengers.

And by the way,my people are weary of Whites telling us what to buy into, we will make our own decisions.

[BiggJawn]

21. Sorry, fred, but you're WAY off base.

What you're saying is that if we ignore Racism, it goes away?

No, that's not the way it goes. You ignore these people and they just take that as approval. "See? the folks here REALLY do support us, they's just too afraid of The Nigra to come out to our march!" And next month you have TWICE as many of them marching down the street.

And eventually the town worthies who only see dollar signs are all gushy because the Imperial Knights of The Ku-Klux Klan are bringing their NATIONAL CONVENTION to town! Woo-hoo! big bucks for EVERYBODY!

Do you say somehing THEN? When *DO* you do something about the cockroaches? Only when they're so thick you have to sweep them off the countertop with your hand to make a sandwich?

[lonestarnot]

24. Here here biggjawn!

All that what you said!

[BiggJawn]

36. I also want to add...

I think what happened here in Indiana back in the early 1900's is that in an effort to appear less "backwoods", the Hoosiers adopted an "ignore them and they'll go away" attitude towards the Klan.

What happened, of course, was that by the 1920's, Grand Dragon D. C. Stephenson stood on the steps of the Hamilton County Courthose and declared "I am the LAW in Indiana!". Klansmen held a deathgrip on all facets of Indiana Government.

What brought Stephenson down was not any of his political machinings, but was the coerced fucking (if not outright rape) of an Indianpolis stenographer on a train between Indy and Chicago. the girl was so distraught that she got hold of some Mecuric Chloirde and swallowed it in Chicago and died horribly.

That scandal and the subsequent conviction of Stephenson drove the Klan out of power and underground in Indiana.

So you see, I sort of have a vested interest in being vocally anti-Klan. It's a Hoosier Thang.

Interesting sidenote: That rail line runs 250 feet away from where I'm sitting right now...

[lonestarnot]

42. Holly cow. ... that is terrible. They need to be driven out of town

alright... driven out of the country.

[fredtaylor]

32. ?

>>"See? the folks here REALLY do support us, they's just too afraid of The Nigra to come out to our march!<<


When no one shows up to a Nazi march, they see this as approval? That's counter productive. They are not looking for approval, they want to get ther faces on TV and cause an uproar.

People are allowed to hate, there's no law barring that. What needs to happen is for people that commit crimes to be punished and not coddled by our justice system. Protesting something important like the war in Iraq makes sense as a large number of people (with their voting power) can make a difference. Polititians see how many people are for/against something and can help make changes in this country. We can't vote the Nazi's away or take away their right to free speech.

Going to a Nazi march and cursing them out or picking fights with them makes you and me look like the idiots and gives them exactly the media exposure they depend on.

[BiggJawn]

53. Fine, stay home then.

And stick your fingers in your ears and go "LA-LA-LA_!" while you're at it.

How about we go to the Nazi march and hold up signs that say "This is DISGRACEFUL" and in the finest DU tradition, "Get a BRAIN, MORANS!" instead of picking a fight.



BTW, welcome to DU.

[fredtaylor]

58. Thanks for the welcome.

:)

But it's still my contention that "nazi's" in the United States are harmless. All talk, no walk. We give them legitimacy by counter-protesting.

[BiggJawn]

61. "Harmless"....S'Yeah, right.

I believe they pretty much thought the same thing back in 1920's Germany. "Oh, that crazy Austrian paper-hanger with the fucked-up voice, he's a harmless wind-bag...Ignore him!"

[donsu]

34. white supremists have a huge backing - they just don't all wear sheets

nt

[goclark]

67. Right you are and some of them may even visit our Boards sometimes

My people do not just look the other way when the Klan walks by.

[Occulus]

45. my parents told me the same thing about bullies in school

I took their advice and got verbally flayed on a daily basis for about twelve years.

WRONG advice to give. Bullies- and racists- NEED to be violently confronted in order to be properly dealt with. You can't simply ignore those who would do you harm if they could get away with it and expect they'll get bored and go away. That simply doesn't happen anymore.

[Loonman]

69. Because violence is always the proper response

To that which we disagree with, right? No problem exists that cannot be solved with swinging fists, thrown rocks and arson, right?

[watrwefitinfor]

10. There they go again.

I find it deeply troubling that the morning show I watched
framed it as blacks rioting against whites - as if the KKK
was out there representing all white people.

Nauseating.

Wat

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. Reminds me off... oh yes Nazi germany

in the 1930s, replace jew for nigger (which they are not YET using) and you get the picture

[pnorman]

16. What that "righteous" crowd did was

play directly into the hands of those Nazis. They'll now have an endless supply of grist for their propaganda mill. There's perhaps a third of the American population that isn't so much racist, but confused ... and VERY dissatisfied with what's going on in the country. And those Nazis will know precisely what buttons to push. (By that "a third", I'm not talking about our clerical fascists; THEY know EXACTLY what they want).

I take no delight in this.

pnorman

[ohio_liberal]

18. I have to agree

Those Nazis achieved exactly what they set out to do. They go to a city with 30% minority population and stir up the shit. The people react violently, the Nazis get headlines. Mission Accomplished!!

[Dorian Gray]

27. Sadly,

you are right, Ohio_liberal. The Nazi's / KKK are scum. The best thing that could happen is that their words and their actions meet with no response. Nothing. That is all they are worth.

[ohio_liberal]

30. I'm not saying there should be no response to this

But burning stores and overturning cars in your own neighborhood is not the answer.

[rucky]

22. Link from Plain Dealer:

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/112945523510061.xml&coll=2

[xchrom]

26. i am amazed.

hundreds of years of violent racism in this country have left a legacy of people expecting people to treat these nazis with quiet derision?

i call bull shit -- tear those mother fuckers up -- i can not believe that people here think that polite dissent is the way to treat with these scum bags -- the march itself is violent and meant to deliver a message of violence.
and the whole history of racist violence -- the rioters were not confused{or wrong} and met that message with a message equal to the one brought to them.

[the_real_38]

29. I'm for tearing some people up, too ....

... those gang-bangers who prey on their community - personally, I think it would probably have done our society good to torch everybody on the scene - the Ohio Nazis, and the dysfunctional super-predators with them.

[xchrom]

31. hmmmm -- interesting reply.

[seabeyond]

33. why is lf listened to, they are angry at white supr

hell yes. and as a white middle aged female i am pissed to. you know my white counterpart male. my brothers, father and husband, oh and sons,.........

i look at them and say fuck you, i am pissed. i look at them and say, may not be a deal to you women stoned in iraq for being raped, but pisses me off. may not piss you off a woman denied contraceptive cause of stupid catholic rule, but pisses me off

i have grown up listening to white males tell me there is no longer discrimination at women and blacks. as i experience it. fuck them. it is about time they shut up and listen to me the woman who is being discriminated against.

the black community is failing and flailing so bad. they need help, both within their family, community, government, education, and corporate. they have every reason to feel let down, discriminated against, and repressed. challenging them in such unfair unbalanced way to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. but it isn't going to be just the black community. this disease is growing, hugely and fast.

this is why it is so important the liberal agenda of community. being a mommy. the good part of liberalism. it has been removed the last 5 years. half a decade. people are quickly going to see repercussion of not having that in our society, and why we need it.

[the_real_38]

35. yes, but ...

... "the black community is failing and flailing so bad. they need help, both within their family, community, government, education, and corporate. they have every reason to feel let down,"

You don't help your community by preying on it, commiting crimes as part of a gang. That's not doing anything positive to build your community - you get what you give, sometimes.

[seabeyond]

39. of course it doesn't help. are we out to merely talk about what

the other side needs to do. i just went down to deal with umpteenth fight between 7, 10 yr old sons, and 13 yr old niece. i had to listen to each. i had to get them to own their part. i had to get beyond the going to what the other person was doing wrong. who the fuck cares.

of course it is wrong to vandalize, terrorize, steal,

duh

look. if jobs were out there. if communities had hope, they would be working for education to gain jobs, and work toward healthy marriages. the more with healthy marriages would have children that were not spinning out of control. the very environment these youths have been raised with, and parents the so lack, all kinds of areas, is what created this violence. this is a given. we know this

when solving a problem, i shouldn't have to waste all that time having to explain, we all know this. just wasted lots of time. this is what i mean. the liberalism, already has this shit down. now, what do we do to heal these environments where these children are willing to be so angry and violent

what i stated above. the support of ........

[ninkasi]

50. I agree, seabeyond...

Maybe one solution is for more white groups to show up to show solidarity with the communities being preyed on by the Nazi hate groups, if those communities are mostly black. Why don't we stand shoulder to shoulder with our black brothers and sisters, and tell the hate groups that their message is vile, and we refuse to listen.

I've always thought that a coalition of older women of all races would be effective...we have many years of experience in dealing with husbands, boyfriends, sons, and brothers. We take note that most of the violence on both sides is being caused by men. We grandmothers for peace might be able to calm the situation down.

I know from personal experience and observation that sometimes the most arrogant young punk, of whichever race, is a little less inclined to act out when their grandmothers stand up to them. I don't know what the answer is, but the problem goes beyond race, and we all need to get involved in the solution.

[donsu]

37. agree

nt

[Retired AF Dem]

38. But the kids have to leave mommy sooner or later

or they will fail to continue growing. By the way my wife and myself is middle age. My wife makes twice as much money as I do and has the respect of her co-workers both male and female. My wife grew up being the "sister" of Josh and Bobby, both brothers famous in their state for their athletic abilitys. After we married I instilled pride in her and also the attitude of don't take shit from anyone. She still doesnt really comprehend how good she is, I guess I still have to fight the ghosts of her childhood.

[xchrom]

40. and a more interesting reply.

[seabeyond]

41. of course, but then we have had daddy (repug) beating the shit

out of us for 5 years..... mommy hasnt been around.

just a whole lot of abuse

and what happens with a whole lot of abuse

hm...... this is fuckin simple, the person becomes a whole lot of abuse

that is where we are now. if there is no hope, this is what you will get.

[the_real_38]

48. Sorry, say what you want ....

... your empathy is for gang members - they've bought into a culture of superficial and flashy signs of money - 'pimpin' I think the kids call it, that's being marketed to them by hip-hop gurus in the Music and Fashion industries. It's a pose, and a dangerous one, especially to the people around them. At some point, you have to realize that you can't always live in the here and now, and make some sacrifices so that you can establish a stable way of life in the future - these young gang-bangers are either unwilling or incapable of doing that. I'm not going to glamorize that as some sort of revolution.

[seabeyond]

51. you created a big ole story, beyond what my words say,

so what..... we do nothing. take no responsibility.

send those people to jail. i dont care. they broke the law. now.....are we go to do anything, or just figure, problem solved

like i care about a bunch of gang member destroying property. i never gave an out to irresponsibility or criminal behavior. now..... do you want to see what a little shift in their environment will create. what it will create....... is people taking responsibility for their lives. it is not going to magically happen. took years for this community to get where they are, but a lot of people are desperate smack in that community. we all know what to do. after day programs, a place for kids to go,....huge difference for children. jobs where parents make enough money and can spend time teaching nurturing kids. that would make a huge difference. allowing opportunity for the community to heal. right now there is not the opportunity, why you will continue to see this escalate and feed out of community

i want to empower the poor.

even with liberal mentality.

the put em in jail and not do anything further,

ya right, that isn't going to work. that is what we see these last 5 years. obviously not going to work.

[seabeyond]

52. are you really suggesting blacks and women shouldnt be angry

right now?

[Tsiyu]

56. It's a trickle down thing.

Who set the standard: that sleek cars and expensive suits and well endowed mistresses were marks of male success? :shrug:

Hmmmm....

And the gangs around here just want the goods to buy crank - no flashy clothes for them. It's a substance abuse problem, not a "materialism" problem for them.

[shance]

46. This story is written by an Anglo based media company, like most others.

Id much prefer to hear accounts by the protestors, before I'd believe the portrayal given by an Anglo bought media.

And I'm Anglo by the way.

[neuvocat]

47. Maybe if they weren't white supremacists...

then their march would have been more credible when claiming that gangs were harassing people door-to-door.

[MrSlayer]

49. Stupid. Now the Nazis can say "See, we're right!"

The people played right into their hands by acting so ridiculously. The best thing to do with these groups is to let them march and ignore them. You only add credence to their sick beliefs by acting the way they want you to act. Very sad.

[walldude]

55. As a white man I can't judge the "vandals" because

I have no frame of reference for what they are experiencing right now. After watching the aftermath of Katrina, then having your town allow white supremacists to march down your street and protest at your doorstep, it's enough to really piss someone off. Obviously vandalism isn't helping anyone but it could be worse. I'd rather see burned cars and looted stores than dead people. Even white supremacists.
Ignoring this problem isn't going to help the situation either. What should they have done? Cowered behind their doors peeking through the blinds to see when it was safe to come out? What this community needed was a massive peaceful counter protest. Strength in numbers. It's high time whites and blacks together showed these white supremacists just how much in the minority they really are...

[Tomee450]

64. People seem to forget

that there have always been rioting in this country and not just by blacks. It seems, though, there is so much ringing of hands and gnashing of teeth when blacks do it. I would like to remind people that whites in Salt Lake City rioted during the Winter Olympics. They couldn't get into the bars so they took out their anger on the police, bars, and ordinary citizens. There were also beer riots in Cleveland in 1974 and at Colorado State University, the University of Oregon, Southern Illinois University, and Penn State University as well as a few other campuses. Don't remember those do you? Of course not because they got little coverage and the outrage was minimal. The race of the culprits? white! Unlike in the case of the blacks involved in riots, the community leaders such as the police try to understand the white rioters and don't brand them as thugs and criminals.

Whites have rioted as far back as the 1860s when the Irish of New York city went wild because they thought they would be conscripted. Among the many heinous acts committed, they burned down a black orphanage which resulted in the death of one child. They also went on a rampage and killed blacks and a few wealthy whites who favored conscription. Black businesses were burned to the ground as well as black homes and many blacks were hung from lampposts.

More recently, the whites of south Boston went wild and rioted when black children were bussed into their neighborhood. Have you seen the pictures of those snarling whites hurling epithets at young black children? Whites also went wild when black children tried to integrate the schools at Little Rock. They had to be escorted by the national guard. And even more recently, whites went on rampages in the midwest and northeast after football games, attacking people and destroying property. So please, stop with the ringing of hands and gnashing of teeth as if only blacks riot. All groups have people who will riot and loot.

[Loonman]

65. The odious Ohio Nazis

The Ohio Nazis were merely exercising their right to free speech and assembly.

However, the locals took it upon themselves to go berserk and even loot and burn a building in their own neighborhood.

Wow...that makes a lot of sense....the Nazis didn't even march and just took off, while the criminal elements held the area virtually hostage for two days due to the violence.

[TX-RAT]

71. YEP It's their right, like it or not.

If you don't like what your hearing, don't listen.


Throwing rocks at LEO, breaking in to houses and business's, throwing rocks at the ambulance, burning down houses. This was no anti KKK demo, it was and excuse to steal and destroy, nothing more.