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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 02:47 PM
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Get Ready: Karl Rove is about to launch the MOTHER OF ALL SWIFT BOATS
Edited on Sun Oct-16-05 02:49 PM by emulatorloo
From Time Magazine article, "Contingency Plan," re Rove's resignation if indicted

<snip>
Severing his ties would allow Rove—who as deputy chief of staff runs a vast swath of the West Wing—to fight aggressively "any bull___ charges," says a source close to Rove, like allegations that he was part of a broad conspiracy to discredit Plame's husband Joseph Wilson. Rove's defense: whatever he did fell far short of that.
<snip>

more at:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1118313,00.html?promoid=rss_top

We ain't seen nothing yet . . . cable news 24/7 protesting Karl's "innocence" et cetera et cetera. The shit storm is gonna be amazing.

ON EDIT - fix stuff
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 02:48 PM
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1. Rove's plan
is to fight it in court, with his capable attorney taking the lead.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 02:51 PM
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2. You and I know that's where it will play out. . .but how can he resist
poisoning "the court of public opinion?" It is too automatic w him and his protege Mehlman.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 02:55 PM
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5. Pretty high stakes if he tries, it would seem...
given the rumblings of those Rove has "wronged" unsheathing their knives... But, I have to agree that Rove will try. Perhaps his lawyer will (try) to reign him in...:eyes:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 03:02 PM
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10. I think we can assume
his primary goal will to be to beat the legal charges. He picked his attorney for exactly that purpose. His entire career -- specifically his future -- rides on winning the legal case.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 03:10 PM
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13. I agree...
Edited on Sun Oct-16-05 03:14 PM by hlthe2b
But, I do wonder how singly focused Rove can be on the actual legal case and not the one to be tried in the "court of public opinion"--especially if he is arrogant enough to believe he can readily beat the charges (granted, I have no way of knowing whether he believes this or not).


As others have pointed out, going on the extreme offense (when anyone else would be taking a defensive stance) does seem to be Rove's standard operating procedure.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 03:15 PM
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15. This has to be
very hard on the poor boy. He has been exposed as a liar and a fool. It's not just the "radical left," as he would like to portray his opposition, but the mainstream Americans that see through him on this. Some of the puppets on the corporate media shows are attempting to say Americans don't care -- baloney! Americans care that the administration lied about the reasons they started this war. The recent poll numbers show that Americans do care .... they just don't care to be lied to.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 03:00 PM
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8. It's straight from the GOP play book...
Edited on Sun Oct-16-05 03:03 PM by Blue Belle
Rule #1: No matter the issue of innocence, the accused must make all accusers out to be partisan attack dogs (never mind that Ken Star could also be portrayed as such). Don't let the American public forget for one minute that the Republicans are the powerless victims of Democrats playing politics (even though they are they rule the House, Senate, Presidential, and soon, the Judicial branches of Government).

Tom Delay is taking this route in Texas, so it should be of no surprise that Karl Rove - the King of the "Whisper Campaign" - should follow suit. Only Karl Rove could spin an act of treason into an act of a patriot. :eyes:
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FourStarDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 02:53 PM
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3. I think it 's too late for Karl to coordinate a propaganda plan..
Even most reporters, 'cept for Brit Hume and a few other repugnants, are simply tired; exhausted from all of the hot air spewing from Karl. I don't think it would fly.
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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 02:54 PM
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4. I agree, and I don't think he is just going to swift boat the prosecutor
Edited on Sun Oct-16-05 02:55 PM by jim3775
he is going to wage war on the entire judiciary system. It wouldn't surprise me if congress passes sweeping legislation that will allow the president to fire any prosecutor, intercept criminal action and impeach judges. I could conceivably see the republican controlled congress making the executive branch essentially above the law.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 02:56 PM
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6. Rove is about the feel the karma of his long time practices
Suddenly, he will become the guy who is too dangerous to be around, have around, or even defend. He's been cutting people loose for decades, not his ship is about to be set adrift.

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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 02:57 PM
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7. KKKarl has always reminded me of Mark Hofmann . . .
. . . and everyone knows what happened when Mr. Hoffman's house of cards fell --->> He started blowin' stuff up.

TYY
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 03:01 PM
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9. Just seeing him indicted would be nice. Squirming would be ecstacy.
Edited on Sun Oct-16-05 03:02 PM by Lastlaughin08
Neutering him is a dream come true.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 03:03 PM
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11. Rove can say or do whatever he wants...but Fitz controls the direction...
...this case will go, and how many will be indicted.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 03:10 PM
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12. Ok. I am forewarned. I think we are going to see
how many people in the country truly hate seeing him do that too. He has no real friends - just people who are deadly afraid of what he could do to them having seen what he has done to others.

He's a bully and he will go the way of all bullies. He is going DOWN. It will be quite a show, I predict.


:popcorn:
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 03:11 PM
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14. Just the drum beat of distraction.
There are enough of us to keep focus while he dances.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 03:17 PM
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16. Even the Mother Ship from Close Encounters won't save his sorry ass
If indictments rain down on his administration you'll see the Chimp's ratings decline from the lofty 38% he now enjoys to somewhere even lower than Cheney's deepest bunker. Even the slightest attempt to spin the indictments by anyone will be met with the mother of all backlashes from the American people. If not, then I may resign from the human race.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 04:06 PM
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17. Swift boats can sink, too.
Camp Casey and Katrina both showed how some of the old tricks may have stopped working.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 04:34 PM
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18. You can't "spin" your way out of a felony.
And that's why he's in such deep shit.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 04:54 PM
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19. Reading that article reminded me just how lame Miller's story is ...
Does that not have a full, 100% dog-ate-my-homework character or what?
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 05:16 PM
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20. then you will get a kick out of James Wolcott's "Flame On, Flame Off"
he skewers her and the NYT

<snip>

Let us not be too harsh on Judith Miller herself, however. She was caught up in the hypnotic voodoo of highstakes journalism. We've all been there. All of us veteran reporters who risk our parking privileges in pursuit of a hot story know what it's like to have strange words leap into your notebook out of nowhere in the middle of an intense interrogation.

You're sitting there having breakfast at the St. Regis with Scooter Aspen, buttering each other's toast, and somehow the name "Valerie Flame" pops up in your notebook without you knowing how it got there! It's your handwriting, sure enough, but rack your brain much as you will, you just can't remember which little birdie tweeted that name into your ear.

<snip>

more at

http://www.jameswolcott.com/
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 05:27 PM
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21. bluedog predictions: if indicted>
What becomes of: cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men?

1.) KKKarl will be tempted to over play his hand.
-If he listens to his attorney he will, however, shut his mouth.
- If he tries dirty tricks he will only dig himself deeper.
- You can't fight a prosecutor with the same childish smear tactics that have worked well in public politics. The public is gullible- Fitzgerald is not.


2.) He will acquire a stench and the base will recoil from him and his boss further.

3.) The neo-comrades will cut their losses- turd blossom is of no count and having failed he is no longer useful
- The neocomrade shadow rulers will wash their hands of him and discredit this whole bunch because the neocomrade ideas have not failed- shrubco. has failed them

- I predict they will find a little black dress with someone's DNA on it, yet!

If indicted pinkpiggy is fish bait.

Thoughts? Is this dog barking up the correct tree?
....

“However combinations or associations may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying after wards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion. <
--Washington's Farewell Address 1796
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 05:34 PM
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22. In the immortal words of W - "fool me once shame on . . .me, fool
me twice, shame on me . . . well, you can't fool me all the time."

Or something like that. Anyway, haven't we seen the Swiftboating mechanism enough to recognize it when it kicks in? Another thread earlier tried to discuss this and I think for the political future of the country we all need to recognize this when it occurs.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5075959
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