Saddam Hussein, we need you, all is forgiven! *SARCASM SARCASM SARCASM*

[LynnTheDem]

Iraq's geopolitical train wreck
Posted by Wes Clark

"Here's a very thoughtful assessment of where we are in Iraq."
-Wes Clark

"...The United States was betting on the success of the democratic experiment in Iraq to defuse Iranian meddling. But Tehran's shadow keeps growing longer.

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's jihadis are the only ones who have taken on Iran indirectly by declaring war on the Shiites. Neither Washington nor Arab capitals relish the idea of finding themselves aligned with al-Qaida's geopolitical objectives. Hence, the attraction of getting Iraq's Arab neighbors to take a more active role to prop up Baghdad. But long-time observers of the Iraqi scene seem to agree only a strongman can keep Iraq together. And that general is yet to emerge from the new Iraqi army. Such a figure would ensure that Iraq's three component parts stick together during a long transitory period.
http://securingamerica.com/ccn/node/1849

GUESS where Saddam Hussein emerged from...

SEE THE IRONY YET?

[southlandshari]

1. Nicely done!

:hi:

[LynnTheDem]

2. Ya think people will get it that this is sarcasm?

:D

Thanks for your help! :hug:

:hi:

[Fridays Child]

5. Do you mind me asking...

...what your avatar is? :hi:

[southlandshari]

8. LOL!

Not at all! Those are Moon Pies. Food of champions!

;)

[Fridays Child]

12. Ah, now I see them! Hey, all of a sudden, I'm hungry.

I need chocolate. :)

[Solomon]

20. I like the banana ones.

I wonder whether the new Iraqi constitution has a presidential pardon provision in it like ours.

Wouldn't that make some heads explode if the Iraqis convicted Saddam and then pardoned him?

[Fridays Child]

21. That would be one way to humiliate George Bush, wouldn't it?

[Oversea Visitor]

3. Well Lynn

The Kangroo court trail of Saddam is no going to improve things in Iraq.
It will only make it worse.
The Iraqies knows the real deal
How it was under Saddam and how it is now under American occupation.
I am just waiting for it to blow up when they try to sentence Saddam.

[LynnTheDem]

6. Oh yes they do know the facts in Iraq.

They don't need reminding of all the shit America & the UK has done to them over the past 3 decades.

I don't know if Hussein's trial and, if found guilty, his sentencing, will have much of any effect on the rebels. It's the 150,000 foreign fighters who invaded their country that they're pissed at; I don't think they particularly care about Hussein.

But who knows. :shrug:

We're still fucked either way.

[Oversea Visitor]

19. Iraq is like a pie

with many people poking their fingers in it for decades.
Whatever picture that is put before you of Saddam will depend on whose fingers is showing the picture.
Final say still with the Iraq people they live through all this pie poking fingers trying to steal their wealth.

[Fridays Child]

7. So, once that strong general emerges, Iraq will have come full circle.

How many loyal troops and innocent civilians will have died for this, when it's all over?

History cannot let B*sh slink off to his retirement. He has to be punished.

[LynnTheDem]

13. Yeppers. Full fucking circle.

And not the first time, not the first country, that we've done this kind of shit to. Likely not the last, either.

[Hissyspit]

4. I got it the first time, Lynn! :-)

But the REALLY bold parts look good this time around. :toast:

It's all just so bizarre, isn't it? But irony is not the radical right-wingers/neocons, etc., strong suit by a long shot. They just don't get it and the ones who do are not going to deliberately point it out.

"ensure that Iraq's three component parts stick together during a long transitory period..."

AND IF THIS TRANSITORY PERIOD IS LONG, how long is it and at what point does it stop being transitory??? About as long as the reign of a Saddam? Is it transition into a theocracy?

What a freaking mess.

[LynnTheDem]

10. Well I knew you would, hissy! :)

It's so bloody bizarre! If ya wrote this as a novel, no one would publish it as it's just too bizarre.

And we're gonna do the same old shit of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". We need to keep Iran and Islamic fundies in check, so now that we've tossed a SECULAR enemy of Iran's out, and Iraq is majority loaded with PRO-Iranian Islamic fundies, we've...pardon me, BUSH...has made everything infinitely worse.

The depth of this fuck-up is astounding.

[Kurovski]

9. Huh? You're forgiving Hussien's sarcasm?

Oh, but you can be a snotty bunch of funny when you want.

the BIG letters are especially funny.

Well, I remember a number of ME experts saying before the invasion that Iraq needs a strongman to hold all their factions together, but hey, who the fuck do experts think they are anyway? :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

The anti-experts are in charge now. As Colbert said on his show satirizing O'Reilly, Thinking with head=bad. Thinking with gut=good.

[LynnTheDem]

11. Ummm...huh???

I KNOW the ME experts said only a strongman could hold Iraq together. I have posted saying ya gotta give Hussein credit for doing so for 30 years (plus various improvements he did in fact make to the lives of the Iraqi people) and I have been threatened, smeared, slammed, insulted et al for doing so.

What is :sarcasm: here is that bush removed a strongman who emerged from the Iraqi military and gee, now we're waiting for a strongman to emerge from the Iraqi military. Just as most experts said BEFORE a whole lot of people were killed in our names.

I am NOT slamming the ME experts, I am slamming the FUCKHEAD...that would be George W Bush...who decided to ignore every expert on the planet and now that 100,000+ are dead and gawd knows how many maimed for life and the world hates our guts and terrorism and threat of have increased, NOW we're full fucking circle.

Got it?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. Why Couldn't Be A Balanced Strongman Like Tito?

"I KNOW the ME experts said only a strongman could hold Iraq together"



Tito was a strongman who kept Yougoslavia together despite its disparate groups but he wasn't a sadistic sociopath like Saddam....

[LynnTheDem]

16. Well, I disagree with you (and most of the USA) about Hussein

being a "sadistic sociopath"; brutal oh yes. Ummm...like we're being now in Iraq. But if one looks at all the actual facts, not the hyperbole and not leaving out half the facts, I really don't know how anyone less brutal would work out.

We have the Shia in charge now, and the Shia clerics installed Sharia law in their "constitution"; talk about brutal.

Look at what's going on right now in Basra. That used to be a wonderful open liberal university-town alive place to be, a place people from all around the ME went to for hols. Now the women are covered head to toe or the Badr Brigade goes after them; kids in jeans are beaten up by the Brigade. "Honor" killings, stoning women for adultery, death for having alcohol. Lovely. :eyes:

And if you had another secular leader, he'd have to oppress the Islamic fundy Shia. Just as Hussein had to.

We're gonna be full circle though, that I'd bet on.

[leftchick]

22. I would say the USA is the one with the sadistic sociopath

much worse than Saddam ever hoped to be. Invading and occupying a country that posed us no harm. Bombing with DU, destroying whole cities, torture, rape rooms, random killing and locking up of innocents through out the country all resulting in HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS KILLED IN THE NAME OF FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY!

At least saddam did not promise them freedom and democracy.

:eyes:

[tx_dem41]

25. I believe there is more than enough room for more than one...

sadistic sociopath and I don't believe in moral relativism.

Please, talk to the Shia in the South and the Kurds in the North about what a benevolent guy Saddam was.

[leftchick]

26. did I say he was benevolent?

:eyes:

[LynnTheDem]

27. Talk to current Kurd "President" Talebani, responsible for more deaths

of Kurds than Saddam Hussein, Iran, and Turkey all combined, about what a benevolent guy Talebani is.

Oh and don't forget to ask him how it was for him to show up in Baghdad after the 1991 Gulf War and kiss his "good friend and ally" Saddam Hussein?

[tx_dem41]

28. There you go though. There can only be ONE bad guy in your world.

And everyone else cannot be criticized (or they will be criticized by LtD and others). Some actually can realize that there are lots of BAD people in the world, and just because one might be worse, that doesn't mean all others are immune.

Sometimes the enemy of your enemy really is your enemy.

[LynnTheDem]

29. Nope. They're ALL bad guys. They ALL should be sent to the Hague.

And Hussein did some good things for the people of Iraq.

Facts are facts; the current "President" of Iraq has killed more Kurds than Hussein ever did. That's just a fact.

As you say, there is more than 1 bad guy.

[BikeWriter]

23. You got it, Lynn!

[IntravenousDemilo]

30. I was going to mention the same example, DSB

The fact is, everybody there hated him so much that they didn't have the time or energy to hate each other. He was a focus for their hatred, like that nasty disciplinarian teacher you had in school, who was able to keep things quiet and orderly. Sure, some kids really resent other kids, but no one wants the strap, so they keep it under wraps. As soon as the teacher leaves, though, or if there's a substitute teacher in, all hell breaks loose, with chalk, spitballs, and blackboard erasers flying everywhere.

[Kurovski]

15. I know, and I know you know . We got our wires crossed here.

The heading was a comment on folks reading a heading and being confused about sarcasm. (too late at night for me to pull that one off successfully.)

I saw the previous locked thread.

Of course experts were worth listening to. And I know you know. It's ironic that we have a casting call out for Hussein's replacement.

I'm sorry for creating the confusion. :blush:

[LynnTheDem]

17. Oh I'm sorry, Kurovski!

Forgive me please! I wondered why you were attacking my sarcasm, coz I've read so many of your posts and knew you knew and as you've commented before on many of mine, I knew you knew I knew, and that I knew you knew that I knew you knew...oh hell, you know what I mean. LOL!

:hug:

[Kurovski]

18. LOL ! Like I said, I had a "failure to communicate."

Now I can sleep peacefully tonight. :hug:

[ComerPerro]

24. Yeah, that's why the Reagan Administration supported Saddam