Raw Story Has Updated the NYDN Piece!

[CrackpotAmerica]

http://nydailynews.com/front/story/356858p-304125c.html

[Connie_Corleone]

1. NY Daily News, not NY Post. nt

[CrackpotAmerica]

2. Thanks!

Duh!

[crispini]

3. That article is hardly

"Someone has flipped in the White House" as was announced "BREAKING" yesteday. :eyes: I tire of the chain-yanking coming to us from Raw Story.

[Maddy McCall]

4. Tell me about it.

Can't figure out why DUers idolize a website that's pretty much a left version of Drudge.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

5. Probably because it's a left version of Drudge.

:)

[cynatnite]

7. There's been some good stuff to come out of Raw...

A lot of times they've been ahead of corporate media and manage to get out some stories which actually interest me I might otherwise miss.

Yeah, sometimes it seems like it's a repeat of the same old news, but I still find it a valuable source.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

8. "good stuff"

such as...?

[cynatnite]

10. Well, looking at the past year...quite a bit, IMO...

What I find valuable and like may not be equal to anyone else's. If were to mention a few things some may not see them as I do and consider it crap.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

12. All I've ever seen them do...

...is pass off other peoples' content as their own and hype up stories which then turn out to be wildly exaggerated, or implied to be earth-shattering in their pre-release buildup and then turn out to be nothing.

See last weeks "Cheney aide leaves country" for a perfect exampe.

[Maddy McCall]

15. Bingo.

That's exactly why I don't like it.

[cynatnite]

16. Those headlines can be a let down at times...

but looking farther down, they bring to light some worthwhile stories that would otherwise get missed or outright ignored. The pregnant inmate in Missouri comes to mind. I would have missed that story in corporate press and it's one that interests me. That's just one example of why I find Raw Story valuable.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

18. That was an AP piece...

...and it was published in literally hundreds of newspapers.

And here is a small selection of the multitude of other articles that appeared on that subject in the much-maligned mainstream press:

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=missouri+pregnant+inmate&btnG=Search+News

[cynatnite]

20. My point is...that many times some stories get buried and never found...

Raw Story, among others I use, help sift through it all.

Of course, I do malign what you call 'mainstream' press. Corporate media certainly hasn't done us any favors.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

23. I have no problem with that...

Using blogs, LBN, etc as a way of finding bits of information that may not be the story-du-jour of the day is a great thing. However, I refuse to support any organisation which would pass off that content as their own, which is frequently the case with Raw Story. I will not be a party to this silly little game of generating more hits on their website by incessantly posting tiny morsels of non-information alleging some giant story about to be broken by them. They're worse than the local TV news teasers. At least in that case the content is original.

[cynatnite]

24. They do not pass content off as their own...

I've never seen them do it. They will link directly to the stories at other sites and when they do write, they credit it accordingly.

[Maddy McCall]

26. Yet it is corporate media that broke the "flip" story that Raw hyped, no?

[cynatnite]

27. To an extent we're all guilty of that...

WashPo, WSJ, NYT, MSNBC, CNN and others have been used as sources even though at times they are lazy in their reporting.

It's up to us as readers and viewers to sift through it all and make our own determinations.

[tx_dem41]

31. But we are not purporting to be journalists and attempting to make..

money off of it.

[cynatnite]

32. I don't pay Raw Story anything...

I don't even click on the ads at their site.

My point is Raw Story isn't doing anything wrong other than throwing out morsels that don't add up to much...some don't like it as they've said. :shrug:

As with anything, this is a matter of individual preference.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

33. My whole point is that...

..." throwing out morsels that don't add up to much" isn't what I want from the places I get my information. If I wanted that, I'd watch the 11:00 news. Or Fox.

[crispini]

9. Yup.

It's the whole "PANT PANT PANT I've got a HUGE STORY!" buildup and then it comes out and you're like "that was IT?"

It's all buildup and no delivery.

[Freddie Stubbs]

22. Because it gives people what they want

Some DUers want to read headlines that Bush and company are going down, so they will believe any 'news article' that delivers that message, no matter how many times that source has come out with questionable information.

[jefferson_dem]

14. Here's the bit regarding "the flipper" from the NY Daily News story -

Cheney's name has come up amid indications Fitzgerald may be edging closer to a blockbuster conspiracy charge - with help from a secret snitch.

"They have got a senior cooperating witness - someone who is giving them all of that," a source who has been questioned in the leak probe told the Daily News yesterday.

We first heard about this from RawStory yesterday. Personally, i find it to be an important morsel of information indeed.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

17. No, you first heard about it from the NY Daily News.

Either that, or Raw Story heard about it from them. They didn't do the reporting. It isn't their piece.

[Maddy McCall]

19. They didn't do the footwork, nor did they report it.

As a historian, I consider what they do to be the equivalent of plagiarism.

[cynatnite]

21. Most of the times they link directly to the article...

That's hardly plagiarism. They also give credit where it's due when they do write.

[Maddy McCall]

25. Posting articles in LBN and then linking them to Raw Story....

That may not be plagiarism, but it's close to the journalistic equivalent of it.

[cynatnite]

28. Umm...that's DUer's doing that...

It's not even in the ball park.

[Maddy McCall]

29. Ummm...no it wasn't. It was Raw Story people doing it.

Skinner put a stop to it, and they flocked to AtA to throw fits about it. Then, I guess, they left.

That was probably before you joined DU, though.

[cynatnite]

30. Wow!

Desperate for glory and hits it sounds like.

I joined DU a little over a year ago so you're probably right.

[symbolman]

34. Flocked to ATA?

What's ATA? And YES I am a BIG FAN of people that call BULLSHIT on the way RawStory goes about making MONEY..

What if everyone here with a site did that?

I remember someone else that would come up with one "crisis" or "Smoking gun" after the other.. in the end, nothing much.. just in time for the donations to start lagging, THEN.. another "SMOKING GUN!"..

And Plagerism is what it would be called.. "Sources tell Takebackthemedia.com that Karl Rove has LIED TWICE!"

Once to the FBI (well, I'm damned sure that he did..) and then again to the Grand Jury.. OOPS, and again to Fitz..

So time to start ANOTHER THREAD, "SOURCES TELL TAKEBACKTHEMEDIA.COM THAT ROVE LIED THREE TIMES - SEE OTHER THREAD FOR UPDATE.."

If they weren't making bucks every time someone clicked on their link I wouldn't care, in the end people start seeing bullshit for what it is, and I've noticed that they've moved to GEN DIScussion to play the folks here..

Drudge is a DUMBASS. WHY would anyone want to be like him?

It's like wanting to be a Liberal O'Reilly.. just weird, until you count the checks in the mail :)

I've alerted the admin about three or four RawStory threads on the same subject clogging up the page, I get tired of having to sort through them..

and yes, they DO give the real source, AFTER YOU'VE CLICKED ON THEIR SITE..

Then I saw them asking for Donations here as well!!

I'm asking for donations for a Movie I spent a YEAR of my life on, so I get a little testy when someone seems to have hundreds of people clicking on their link and taking the money while I battle to pay my mortgage and have an actual PRODUCT..

Sorry, now I'm ranting - been up all night working on this project for MONTHS and getting exhausted..

So glad to hear someone saying it, but now you may be pissing off Bradblog if you complain because he's associated with them, and then there's the other folks he's associated with that may get mad..

It's like freaking grade school sometimes in the Progressive world :)

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

36. Here we go again...

SOURCES IDENTIFY AIDE COOPERATING IN INVESTIGATION...

No details yet.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5091327

[Maddy McCall]

37. LOL...yet somehow they missed the tidbit that Dick may resign.

Really on top of things over there, aren't they?

[GrpCaptMandrake]

6. Sorta reminiscent of that line

attributed to Henry II: "Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?"

[Seansky]

11. i found it to be a let down since it was so hiped...Ay caramba

[CrackpotAmerica]

13. Yea, I agree, I kinda regret posting it.

I went to bed last night all excited.

Then, I rushed to post it.

Kind of a bummer!

[symbolman]

35. GODDAMMIT!

NOW there's a thread CONGRATULATING RAWSTORY on getting it RIGHT somehow..

I think I've seen at least SIX threads about them.. this is getting ridiculous and I'm seriously thinking about leaving the DU if they don't DO something about it..

Here, go have a look..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5090649

Make a comment so I don't look like a total dork if you will..

I'm SICK of it, the DU is turning into a place where RS gets RAMMED down your throat..

[Maddy McCall]

38. I'm with you, symbolman.

Don't leave over it, though. You're a good guy and we need you on our side.

[symbolman]

39. Thanks Maddy

They aren't going to run me out of this place, over at the H2OMan post RS sicked some of their RawBots on me and wrote some pretty wierd stuff, I've bit off yards of tongue over the years and don't have much left to chew on :)

I've got better things to do, if RS has fans that want to click on their links I guess they should do that, who the hell am I to try to tell them to NOT believe something if they aren't going to..

the same people got Kneecapped by Harris not all that long ago I think, too trusting..

[NNN0LHI]

40. Hey you may have a point but I don't want no censorship here by no one

If its BS people will learn to stop clicking on it. Thats the way it has worked around here for fucking years. Going to change everything now or something? I say fuck that. There is stuff I don't like too. I deal with it. No fucking big deal. I am not one of the big RS fan around here either just so you know that.

Don

[Boredtodeath]

42. I think Symbolman's complaint is the same as mine

1 LINK you ignore. 2 LINKS for the same story are annoying. 25 LINKS to the same "Breaking," "Developing" story in GD pushing REAL NEWS off the pages is outrageous.

[NNN0LHI]

43. I deal with it. I post shit no one wants to read too. We all do

Thats my point.

Don

[Boredtodeath]

44. But, not 10 times with the same story

and THAT is my point.

[NNN0LHI]

45. Actually if you paid better attention you would know that many times...

...there are 10 threads or more on any given single subject on this board. And if you were serious when you said "I don't even click on RAWSTORY articles" in your post directly below this one how did you get here? Done arguing yet? I am. Take care and see you later.

Don

[demobabe]

47. Nobody wants to censor anybody

The problem here isn't with Raw Story being at the DU or posting links to their articles.

The problem is that it appears that Raw Story articles are being systematically linked here three or four times per article, and the postings are made so you usually can't discern it's a Raw Story until you click and read the post.

How many times have I seen a thread marked NYTimes or WaPo with a story I'm interested in, only to click on it and find out it's a Raw Story 'scoop' and to end up at their site where a zillion ads appear like fireworks on the fourth of July.

Is it too much to ask that the subject lines be accurate on postings and that we don't have multiple redundant threads? General Discussion is supposed to be that: General Discussion, not a promotional tool to be dominated by Raw Story hype. This is Democratic Underground. Not Raw Story Underground.

[Boredtodeath]

49. For some people

community responsibility and common courtesy are foreign concepts.

[Boredtodeath]

41. I don't even click on RAWSTORY articles

All that is EVER on their pages are "Breaking" or "Developing" or "More soon."

And, by the time they print details the REAL story is in the mainstream news.

I find Bradblog the same.

Ho hum.........yawn.......boooooorrrrring.

[KharmaTrain]

46. I've Long Dismissed Raw Story

First...whenever I would go to their site, my machine would get attacked by all sorts of spyware and who knows what else. I don't mind hitting a passive hit counter, but I resent sites that attempt to load all sorts of tracking crap in my machine...and to many others who aren't even aware of it.

Yes, they like to over-hype and I've seen it over and over again out here. Attempt to bring this up and face the wrath of someone here who will fight you to the 'verbal' death here.

As you mentioned earlier, this place has such a grade-school mentality at times...and IMHO, that's what gives DU a charm for me. It's like going to the water cooler and catching up on the latest gossip.

Now, you also know, the least amount of work gets done at the water cooler, too.

A major reason I'm very careful on which sites I support and the people I am willing to work with.

Cheers...

[Roland99]

48. Lighten up, Francis