Hancock/Harrison County Confirmed Fatalities (MS) List of names.

[SouthernDem2004]

http://co.harrison.ms.us/assistance/confirmed/

[merh]

1. And you and I both know that this is not the

true number of dead. Just the ones they have been able to "confirm" or identify.

Hundreds of more bodies have been recovered. (Hargrove admitted in Sun Herald article that he has taken 600 DNA samples.)

Why are they not being honest about the death count?

[jobycom]

2. Hargrove isn't claiming this is the full count

I read his statement not too long ago that there were around two hundred bodies, with 101 still missing in Harrison County. He denied that there were any bodies they were keeping secret, and he doubted there were many more bodies to find under the debris. He said the estimates of hundreds more bodies somewhere were just wrong.

Is that wrong? I mean, he'd take more than one DNA sample from a family to match up to bodies they have, so the 600 number doesn't seem extreme for 200 bodies. If he's lying, he's flat out lying, not twisting numbers.

What are they saying down there that's not popping up on the local news?

[merh]

9. Local news just covers what Hargrove releases.

It's not local news that I use as a source. I know folks that work in the "industry" - they have reported more than 200 bodies housed in the temp morgues.

[jobycom]

10. A lot more, a couple more? Have they counted exactly?

[merh]

13. Hundreds more.

:shrug: As far as I know, they counted.

[jobycom]

14. Too many rumors

I've heard too many rumors about Katrina, and way too many rumors from Harrison County, to believe that without evidence. It makes no sense. Why would they undercount the bodies? That would reduce their funding, it would kill their careers as people realized the numbers didn't match the number of missing, there'd be no way they could determine in advance what bodies they could dispose of and which they would have to release to families, there'd be no gaurantee that all the families wouldn't show up and prove their numbers wrong. The police and recovery teams would have their own records of recovered bodies, so any attempt to hide what was discovered would be easy to spot. The true number would come out. I can see them fudging on the number of missing, but even there, after a while, the missing would be presumed dead.

This wasn't New Orleans--they didn't have to hide gross dereliction as they do in New Orleans. And these are local officials, not feds.

Makes no sense. It makes more sense that paranoid people are spinning tales, or counting all of the newly deceased as well as the storm victims, or even counting all the bodies that washed out of graves and tombs.

I know too many people down there to believe a tenth of what I hear. :-)

[merh]

15. Believe what you like.

I never said it made sense, I just know what I have been told by folks that work in the industry, that have seen the bodies.

[jobycom]

16. I don't believe what I like, I believe what seems believably. Often they

are different. And it has to make sense or there has to evidence, otherwise I can't believe it.

I know a lot of friends in a lot of industries who are very unreliable sources for information on those industries. Especially in Mississippi. I live in Texas, and it's got nothing on Mississippi when it comes to tall tales.

[merh]

17. It's not tall tales. It is the truth, they speak of what they know becaus

they can't figure out why the lies and the under reporting. You believe what you like and then you justify in your mind why you find a matter believable or not. We all do that.

Eye witness testimony is credible evidence, btw! :hi:

[jobycom]

18. Only if I know or have some reason to trust the eyewitness.nt

[merh]

19. I do.

Like I said, it is your choice to believe what you like. I really don't care. :hi:

[jobycom]

20. And like I said, I don't choose what I believe

When you show me the bodies, you'll change my mind. It's that simple.

[merh]

21. No, you do make a conscious choice to believe.

It is rather silly of you to deny that choice and/or to deny that you "chose" what you believe.

That is just a silly statement. :silly:

[SouthernDem2004]

3. They are. Those listed have had their relatives contacted.

Also, there are not hundreds more. One problem we are having is with the Asian deceased. It is hard to locate relatives and people are not very helpful because alot of them were illegals. There is also the distrust of Police and the government for those that were born overseas.

The DNA samples are also being taken from the living. That is how they match with the dead. I wonder who is paying the DNA fees. Last I heard the test were four grand a pop.

Hargrove is working his butt off. He now has two counties instead of one and is getting very little help. It is just going to take time. The count given on the Coast is accurate. We may find a few more as time passes but nothing big. Most of the missing persons have been located no thanks to FEMA. Sorry, no conspiracy here.

[merh]

5. I have to disagree with you.

There were more bodies recovered than what has been admitted by any official.
I know folks that have worked at the temporary morgues and they tell of numbers beyond what Hargrove or anyone else has reported.

I know of folks in counties north of us that operate crematoriums - the bodies have been sent there.

I also know of families that had loved one's interned at the cemeteries and mausoleums that were destroyed by Katrina. The bodies are missing, the families were told DNA would be necessary and that is it. No DNA taken.

The numbers don't match up - not just in Biloxi, but all over the coast. Why?

[SouthernDem2004]

6. I have to disagree with you. :)

The number killed by the storm is accurate. When bodies were found the S&R teams notified the Police who recorded the location for later pickup.

There is of course the normal deaths that happen on a daily basis but I am afraid they are happening with the same frequency as before.

I fail to see the motivation for a conspiracy on this issue. It makes no sense. Also, if people are not on the list that should be, someone is going to say something.

Want to hear something icky? Most of the bodies are stored within a mile of where you are sitting right now. :)

[merh]

7. I know - I know where others are stored too.

I do know folks in the community. As you have said, it makes no sense, but the truth about the number of deaths has not been released.

BTW - what happened to all the homeless before the storm? Did you guys pick them up and bring them to shelters? Were they round up?

Just wondering.

:shrug:

[SouthernDem2004]

8. I do not like the term "rounded up." :) But yes we did....

We used our vans to go find them and take them to shelters. We know where most camp and hide so it was not a problem.

[merh]

12. Well, rounded up would be what you had to do and I hope

most of them went with you guys.

Are they back out in their regular places or did they have to find new areas to camp at? I wonder if any took advantage of this time to find work and assistance so that they are no longer homeless?

I'm glad to know you guys tried to help as many as would allow you to help them. Thanks for doing that. :hug:

[SouthernDem2004]

22. All went with us. ;)

Most of the camps were destroyed but tents are easily replaceable.

The thing about our homeless is that most are homeless by choice. Some are alcoholics and some just do not want to be part of society. Most are harmless and decent people. They just choose a different life.

There is never a reason to be homeless in Biloxi. We have numerous shelters and there is always room. The Salvation Army mission on DeBuys provides work and a place to live.

We did lose the Seashore Mission on Howard Ave at Clairborne. They provided food, shelter and clothing in the East. I am not sure what we are going to do without them this winter. I am sure the church will think of something, I hope. Good people run that one.

[merh]

23. I am glad to hear that all went with you all to the shelter.

That is a good question about Seashore Mission - I wonder which church group will step up to fill that void. I hope someone does.

But I also worry about the folks displaced thanks to Katrina. Maybe we will have a mild winter.

[SouthernDem2004]

24. It was run by Seashore Methodist Church.

[merh]

25. What has happened to their congregation?

Has another congregation absorbed it?

Those are good people that run that church. I delivered a bunch of coats and blankets to the pastor last winter.

[SouthernDem2004]

26. The mission on Howard did not serve as their church anymore.

It was just a rescue mission. I have no idea how their actual church did. The Methodist church on Hopkins just north of Hwy 90 is fine though.

[pitohui]

4. thanks

i was afraid i'd see a name i know & hadn't yet heard abt, thank god, this is not the case

it sure is a slow process

[jobycom]

11. I saw one I know

But there isn't enough information listed to be sure it's him, and I haven't seen the person with that name since ninth grade. So who knows?