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Tue Oct-18-05 02:58 PM
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"Fox News Pushing: {its only the}“Criminalization of Politics” |
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People Against Propaganda Providing Your
these liars need a visit from pappy and to wash thier lying mouths with soap
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"Fox News Pushing “Criminalization of Politics” Talking Point Conservative defenders of Karl Rove and Scooter Libby have settled on their No. 1 talking point: the grand jury investigation into the CIA leak scandal represents the “criminalization of politics.”
In other words, they say, the outing of a covert CIA agent in a time of war to punish a whistleblower is just everyday “politics” — nothing out of the ordinary, certainly nothing criminal. In fact, according to conservatives (as articulated by the National Review), the “criminalizing of politics” is actually “the most dangerous fire of this ordeal.”
To spread this talking point across the nation, the right has received a major assist from Fox News. According to a database search, every single television reference to the CIA leak scandal as the “criminalization of politics” in the last 30 days has been on Fox. Even more stunning: on every occassion, the phrase was introduced into the segment by a Fox News anchor or correspondent, never by a guest."
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Tue Oct-18-05 02:59 PM
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Tue Oct-18-05 05:39 PM
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23. Isn't the irony rich? They spent their lives creating lynch mobs ... |
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Edited on Tue Oct-18-05 05:39 PM by Neil Lisst
... and that is why they will be hung out to dry when they are charged. If you're charged, you're guilty, right?!! So say the right. http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst/
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Tue Oct-18-05 06:08 PM
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31. Absolutely. What's good for the goose |
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is good for the gander. Of course, the right is particularly good at having it both ways...
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Tue Oct-18-05 03:01 PM
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2. I have that that phase a lot lately. |
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Tue Oct-18-05 03:01 PM
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3. What about the criminalization of consensual sexual relations? |
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These scumbags are seeing their ratings plum disappear. Their bush-sucking is going to be remembered.
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Tue Oct-18-05 07:28 PM
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40. LOL! Shows the hypocrisy of the neo-cons. |
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Tue Oct-18-05 11:38 PM
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42. Well, that only counts in the White House, you see |
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If you are Speaker of the House, getting blow jobs under your desk from a staffer at the same time the Congress was going after Clinton, screwing her on the highly polished conference table or on the couch in your expansive office, that is a completely private matter!!!!!
And shame on any staffers who discuss with genuine horrors these happenings with said Speaker's soon-to-be ex-wife...ain't that right, NEWT???? :evilgrin:
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Tue Oct-18-05 03:03 PM
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4. All these actual crimes to persue - compared to the constant digging |
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to find something on either/both of the Clintons - and now they decide that it's just political? I can't decide if it's more fair or more balanced.
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Tue Oct-18-05 03:03 PM
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5. Heh! I personally think the talking point backfires. |
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It's too confusing. Only news junkies that keep up with this stuff realize what they mean by “Criminalization of Politics”. To the average joe, it just sounds like you're saying that "politicians are criminals".
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Tue Oct-18-05 04:57 PM
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20. i think you're correct- they didn't have time to do focus groups. |
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Tue Oct-18-05 11:39 PM
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43. Or consult with concerned KKKarl....nt |
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Tue Oct-18-05 03:03 PM
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6. When politicians are criminals |
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Politics will be "criminalized"
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Tue Oct-18-05 03:04 PM
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7. it's the POLITICIZING OF TREASON |
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they say we're
CRIMINALIZING POLITICS
we respond, they're
POLITICIZING TREASON
They are better at shaping messages because they move like borg in lockstep. Feed into the machine "criminalizing politics," and they spit it out in unison nationwide.
Take it away with a shadow comment that mimicks.
POLITICIZING TREASON
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Tue Oct-18-05 03:04 PM
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8. Faux blew their credibility on bush** and his band of happy criminals. |
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They can't afford to back down now. I can't help but think about that smug smarmy bunch on Sunday, including George Stephanopolous, who proved to the part of the public who are capable of producing brain wave patterns that they are pigs who'll enjoy rolling in the slime and scum trail that those guys leave behind them.
If they blow it with the stupid crowd, who have they got left?
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Tue Oct-18-05 03:07 PM
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9. Treason is not a normal and acceptable lifestyle. |
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Tue Oct-18-05 03:08 PM
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This blatant spin will not fly with a jury. It's spin not a criminal defense. Their lawyers will have to come up with more.
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Tue Oct-18-05 03:23 PM
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11. Fine by me. Public perception isnt going to matter much when |
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sentences are meted out. The damage is done. They have no way out on this one if indictments are handed down. Once that happens and it becomes clear what those indictments are to the layperson and the news media starts not only smelling blood but seeing it in the water things are going to get very very ugly regardless of what spin they put out.
Spin only works when people arent paying close attention.
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Tue Oct-18-05 03:24 PM
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12. Conservatism is NOT being criminalized |
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Conservatives are being criminals--and are finally getting caught!
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Tue Oct-18-05 03:49 PM
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13. They are criminal politicians. |
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Since when were politicians above the law?
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Tue Oct-18-05 04:11 PM
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14. I think it's really weird |
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It's not a good talking point. It's not immediately clear what they mean and we all know the GOP sheeple aren't quick thinkers. They probably all got confused when they heard it. :) If they're saying that our side is making it criminal to reveal covert CIA agents that track weapons of mass destruction for polital retribution, well, DUH!!!!! Seems pretty criminal to me. I think most Americans would agree that this certainly IS criminal. This meme might work for to defend a political misadventure that was a little more harmless, like a small campaign contribution or a, ahemmm, BJ.
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Tue Oct-18-05 04:12 PM
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15. If it's everyday politics ask them to name one other time they recall it |
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Tue Oct-18-05 04:13 PM
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16. a simple, well understood reply for the "criminalization of politics" |
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is, IMO, "well if the shoe fits, mr kristol..."
most people think that most politicians are criminals, what else is new?
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Tue Oct-18-05 04:17 PM
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17. You know by that logic |
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If the "outing of a covert CIA agent in a time of war" is just "everyday politics", then shipping crates of military supplies to an enemy port during a time of war is just "free trade".
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Tue Oct-18-05 04:34 PM
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18. WEAK -- so weak! they won't be going to the clink for politics |
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heheheh -- they're going to the clink b/c they broke real laws.
where's that article about abnormal brains and lying...
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Tue Oct-18-05 04:43 PM
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19. I guess Luntz came up with this? |
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Wish we could throw him, and his cheap rug, into the clink with the rest of the cabal.
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Tue Oct-18-05 05:36 PM
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21. Merry Fitzmas to you Faux News |
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It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas Everywhere you go. Who's gonna do five-or-ten? We're thinking once again Of handcuffs and of orange jumpsuits aglow. It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas Indictments on every score But the prettiest sight to see Is the scowl on Darth Cheney At the slammer's front door.
A warrant or writ, a subpoena that fits Is the wish of Barney and Ben; The thought of Turdblossom hung up like a possum Is the hope of Janice and Jen; And Mom and Dad can hardly wait for court to start again.
It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas Everywhere you go. There's an defendant who doesn't want to tell; One in the White House as well -- The felony kind that doesn't mind the law! It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas Soon the bells will start And the thing that will make them ring Is the indictment that we sing, Right within our hearts!
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Tue Oct-18-05 06:30 PM
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34. Thank you, thank you, now one more time, a one a two ........ |
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Tue Oct-18-05 05:37 PM
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22. Fox may push the "criminalization of politics" |
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staright up their collective arse.
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Tue Oct-18-05 05:42 PM
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Conservatives were as good at running the country as they are at creating talking points.
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Tue Oct-18-05 05:43 PM
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25. So Jane Fonda's kind of off the hook now? |
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Also,
"every single television reference... has been on Fox." That's good news. The rest of the media aren't taking the bait.
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Tue Oct-18-05 05:48 PM
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26. Our response should simply be: yes you're right, |
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it is the criminalization of conservative politics, which has been responsible for some of biggest crimes against the nation over hte past several decades.
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Tue Oct-18-05 05:50 PM
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Tue Oct-18-05 05:54 PM
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What's next, the politicization of terrorism?
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Tue Oct-18-05 05:58 PM
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29. The Crimes of Patriots by Jonathan Kwitny comes to mind n/t |
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Tue Oct-18-05 06:03 PM
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30. What, aren't they comfortable in the house they built? |
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Fox News sure does miss Clinton's penis.
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Tue Oct-18-05 06:17 PM
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32. The noose is tightening. We have seen it before. |
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Libby-Rove = Haldeman-Ehrlichman.
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Tue Oct-18-05 06:25 PM
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33. "Conservatives and Crime" |
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Tue Oct-18-05 06:33 PM
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35. The people who want and need to believe this will believe it |
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If conservative TV and radio unify and spin this as fiercely as they can, I'd guess about 20% to 30% of the public will believe all this is just "political," i.e. the ones who need to believe it in order to validate their identity.
I think (I hope) the rest of Americans won't buy it; too much has happened at this point.
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Tue Oct-18-05 06:34 PM
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36. Murdoch is arguably the poisoned wellspring of |
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much of the criminal governance in both the USA and the UK. He above all should know about criminalising politics! How ironical. Truly, they know no shame.
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Tue Oct-18-05 06:34 PM
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37. Karmas a bitch! Wait till Wilsons take */Cheney to civil court |
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THANKS TO THE REPUKES WHO ALLOWED CLINTON TO BE TAKEN TO COURT FOR PAULA JONES WHILE STILL SERVING!
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Tue Oct-18-05 06:40 PM
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38. sure, as long as your a FASCIST you can do no wrong... |
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at least acording to their boot-lickers.:grr:
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Tue Oct-18-05 06:42 PM
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39. Tweety has been pushing that line HARD on MSNBC. |
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The worst part is that he never even reflects on the facts of the case.
He never brings up that Bush was pushing the yellow cake line. He never brings up that Wilson's report turned out to be true.
All he ever brings up is the GOP talking point that Cheney didn't send him and the White House was only defending itself.
He doesn't mention that it was the VP's office that wanted Bush's yellowcake line fact checked. He never mentions that Cheney's office could have denied the story without revealing the name of a covert CIA agent.
The worst part is that he is bringing people who not only were directly involved with pushing the war propaganda, but also may be involved in the case.
Tweety is absolutely not interested in the facts.
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Tue Oct-18-05 10:56 PM
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41. Are Any of the Media Whores |
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afraid of some pissed-off CIA nocs still possibly circulating around? Or are they that certain none are left!?!
Heard Pat Buchanan on Hardball call these CIA's "jerks" today! First thing came to mind was, WTF is he out of his mind?
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Tue Oct-18-05 11:54 PM
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44. It's the Politics of Crime. They have it backward. Bastards! |
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Wed Oct-19-05 12:29 AM
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45. Unbelievable-they have NO shame! |
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Wed Oct-19-05 08:24 AM
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46. It IS the Criminalization of Politics |
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When you blatantly commit crimes, you have criminalized politics. Where FOX goes wrong is in blaming the press and the prosecutors for criminalizing politics, when in fact the Republicans are the ones who criminalized it, by committing crimes.
What we have been watching from the sidelines is nothing more or less than the looting of America's polity by a bunch of criminals. That they happen to be Republican elected officials is beside the point.
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