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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 02:58 PM
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"Fox News Pushing: {its only the}“Criminalization of Politics”
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these liars need a visit from pappy and to wash thier lying mouths with soap

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"Fox News Pushing “Criminalization of Politics” Talking Point
Conservative defenders of Karl Rove and Scooter Libby have settled on their No. 1 talking point: the grand jury investigation into the CIA leak scandal represents the “criminalization of politics.”

In other words, they say, the outing of a covert CIA agent in a time of war to punish a whistleblower is just everyday “politics” — nothing out of the ordinary, certainly nothing criminal. In fact, according to conservatives (as articulated by the National Review), the “criminalizing of politics” is actually “the most dangerous fire of this ordeal.”

To spread this talking point across the nation, the right has received a major assist from Fox News. According to a database search, every single television reference to the CIA leak scandal as the “criminalization of politics” in the last 30 days has been on Fox. Even more stunning: on every occassion, the phrase was introduced into the segment by a Fox News anchor or correspondent, never by a guest."

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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 02:59 PM
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1. Well, if it's a fire,
BURN BABY BURN!
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 05:39 PM
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23. Isn't the irony rich? They spent their lives creating lynch mobs ...
Edited on Tue Oct-18-05 05:39 PM by Neil Lisst
... and that is why they will be hung out to dry when they are charged.

If you're charged, you're guilty, right?!! So say the right.


http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst/
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:08 PM
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31. Absolutely. What's good for the goose
is good for the gander. Of course, the right is particularly good at having it both ways...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 03:01 PM
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2. I have that that phase a lot lately.
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 03:01 PM
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3. What about the criminalization of consensual sexual relations?
These scumbags are seeing their ratings plum disappear. Their bush-sucking is going to be remembered.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 07:28 PM
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40. LOL! Shows the hypocrisy of the neo-cons.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 11:38 PM
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42. Well, that only counts in the White House, you see
If you are Speaker of the House, getting blow jobs under your desk from a staffer at the same time the Congress was going after Clinton, screwing her on the highly polished conference table or on the couch in your expansive office, that is a completely private matter!!!!!

And shame on any staffers who discuss with genuine horrors these happenings with said Speaker's soon-to-be ex-wife...ain't that right, NEWT???? :evilgrin:
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 03:03 PM
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4. All these actual crimes to persue - compared to the constant digging
to find something on either/both of the Clintons - and now they decide that it's just political? I can't decide if it's more fair or more balanced.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 03:03 PM
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5. Heh! I personally think the talking point backfires.
It's too confusing. Only news junkies that keep up with this stuff realize what they mean by “Criminalization of Politics”. To the average joe, it just sounds like you're saying that "politicians are criminals".
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 04:57 PM
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20. i think you're correct- they didn't have time to do focus groups.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 11:39 PM
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43. Or consult with concerned KKKarl....nt
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 03:03 PM
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6. When politicians are criminals
Politics will be "criminalized"
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 03:04 PM
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7. it's the POLITICIZING OF TREASON
they say we're

CRIMINALIZING POLITICS


we respond, they're

POLITICIZING TREASON


They are better at shaping messages because they move like borg in lockstep. Feed into the machine "criminalizing politics," and they spit it out in unison nationwide.

Take it away with a shadow comment that mimicks.

POLITICIZING TREASON
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 03:04 PM
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8. Faux blew their credibility on bush** and his band of happy criminals.
They can't afford to back down now. I can't help but think about that smug smarmy bunch on Sunday, including George Stephanopolous, who proved to the part of the public who are capable of producing brain wave patterns that they are pigs who'll enjoy rolling in the slime and scum trail that those guys leave behind them.

If they blow it with the stupid crowd, who have they got left?
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 03:07 PM
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9. Treason is not a normal and acceptable lifestyle.
To borrow a slogan.
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 03:08 PM
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10. Fortunately...
This blatant spin will not fly with a jury. It's spin not a criminal defense. Their lawyers will have to come up with more.
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Caution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 03:23 PM
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11. Fine by me. Public perception isnt going to matter much when
sentences are meted out. The damage is done. They have no way out on this one if indictments are handed down. Once that happens and it becomes clear what those indictments are to the layperson and the news media starts not only smelling blood but seeing it in the water things are going to get very very ugly regardless of what spin they put out.

Spin only works when people arent paying close attention.
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 03:24 PM
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12. Conservatism is NOT being criminalized
Conservatives are being criminals--and are finally getting caught!
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 03:49 PM
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13. They are criminal politicians.
Since when were politicians above the law?
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 04:11 PM
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14. I think it's really weird
It's not a good talking point. It's not immediately clear what they mean and we all know the GOP sheeple aren't quick thinkers. They probably all got confused when they heard it. :) If they're saying that our side is making it criminal to reveal covert CIA agents that track weapons of mass destruction for polital retribution, well, DUH!!!!! Seems pretty criminal to me. I think most Americans would agree that this certainly IS criminal. This meme might work for to defend a political misadventure that was a little more harmless, like a small campaign contribution or a, ahemmm, BJ.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 04:12 PM
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15. If it's everyday politics ask them to name one other time they recall it
happening.
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leftupnorth Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 04:13 PM
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16. a simple, well understood reply for the "criminalization of politics"
is, IMO, "well if the shoe fits, mr kristol..."

most people think that most politicians are criminals, what else is new?
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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 04:17 PM
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17. You know by that logic
If the "outing of a covert CIA agent in a time of war" is just "everyday politics", then shipping crates of military supplies to an enemy port during a time of war is just "free trade".
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 04:34 PM
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18. WEAK -- so weak! they won't be going to the clink for politics
heheheh -- they're going to the clink b/c they broke real laws.

where's that article about abnormal brains and lying...
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 04:43 PM
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19. I guess Luntz came up with this?
Wish we could throw him, and his cheap rug, into the clink with the rest of the cabal.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 05:36 PM
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21. Merry Fitzmas to you Faux News














It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
Everywhere you go.
Who's gonna do five-or-ten?
We're thinking once again
Of handcuffs and of orange jumpsuits aglow.
It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
Indictments on every score
But the prettiest sight to see
Is the scowl on Darth Cheney
At the slammer's front door.

A warrant or writ, a subpoena that fits
Is the wish of Barney and Ben;
The thought of Turdblossom hung up like a possum
Is the hope of Janice and Jen;
And Mom and Dad can hardly wait for court to start again.

It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
Everywhere you go.
There's an defendant who doesn't want to tell;
One in the White House as well --
The felony kind that doesn't mind the law!
It's beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas
Soon the bells will start
And the thing that will make them ring
Is the indictment that we sing,
Right within our hearts!

crispini



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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:30 PM
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34. Thank you, thank you, now one more time, a one a two ........
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 05:37 PM
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22. Fox may push the "criminalization of politics"
staright up their collective arse.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 05:42 PM
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24. I wish
Conservatives were as good at running the country as they are at creating talking points.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 05:43 PM
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25. So Jane Fonda's kind of off the hook now?
Also,

"every single television reference... has been on Fox." That's good news. The rest of the media aren't taking the bait.
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tgnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 05:48 PM
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26. Our response should simply be: yes you're right,
it is the criminalization of conservative politics, which has been responsible for some of biggest crimes against the nation over hte past several decades.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 05:50 PM
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27. What was "Monica"?
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billr Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 05:54 PM
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28. Gee

What's next, the politicization of terrorism?
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 05:58 PM
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29. The Crimes of Patriots by Jonathan Kwitny comes to mind n/t
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:03 PM
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30. What, aren't they comfortable in the house they built?
Fox News sure does miss Clinton's penis.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:17 PM
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32. The noose is tightening. We have seen it before.
Libby-Rove = Haldeman-Ehrlichman.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:25 PM
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33. "Conservatives and Crime"
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:33 PM
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35. The people who want and need to believe this will believe it
If conservative TV and radio unify and spin this as fiercely as they can, I'd guess about 20% to 30% of the public will believe all this is just "political," i.e. the ones who need to believe it in order to validate their identity.

I think (I hope) the rest of Americans won't buy it; too much has happened at this point.

wildflower
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:34 PM
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36. Murdoch is arguably the poisoned wellspring of
much of the criminal governance in both the USA and the UK. He above all should know about criminalising politics! How ironical. Truly, they know no shame.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:34 PM
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37. Karmas a bitch! Wait till Wilsons take */Cheney to civil court
THANKS TO THE REPUKES WHO ALLOWED CLINTON TO BE TAKEN TO COURT FOR PAULA JONES WHILE STILL SERVING!
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:40 PM
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38. sure, as long as your a FASCIST you can do no wrong...
at least acording to their boot-lickers.:grr:
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:42 PM
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39. Tweety has been pushing that line HARD on MSNBC.
The worst part is that he never even reflects on the facts of the case.

He never brings up that Bush was pushing the yellow cake line.
He never brings up that Wilson's report turned out to be true.

All he ever brings up is the GOP talking point that Cheney didn't send him and the White House was only defending itself.

He doesn't mention that it was the VP's office that wanted Bush's yellowcake line fact checked.
He never mentions that Cheney's office could have denied the story without revealing the name of a covert CIA agent.

The worst part is that he is bringing people who not only were directly involved with pushing the war propaganda, but also may be involved in the case.

Tweety is absolutely not interested in the facts.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 10:56 PM
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41. Are Any of the Media Whores
afraid of some pissed-off CIA nocs still possibly circulating around? Or are they that certain none are left!?!

Heard Pat Buchanan on Hardball call these CIA's "jerks" today! First thing came to mind was, WTF is he out of his mind?
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 11:54 PM
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44. It's the Politics of Crime. They have it backward. Bastards!
nt
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 12:29 AM
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45. Unbelievable-they have NO shame!
:puke:
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-19-05 08:24 AM
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46. It IS the Criminalization of Politics
When you blatantly commit crimes, you have criminalized politics. Where FOX goes wrong is in blaming the press and the prosecutors for criminalizing politics, when in fact the Republicans are the ones who criminalized it, by committing crimes.

What we have been watching from the sidelines is nothing more or less than the looting of America's polity by a bunch of criminals. That they happen to be Republican elected officials is beside the point.

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