It Wasn't A Crime. Now Go Back To Sleep.

[Solomon]

When I first came to DU I must have wrote a "Bush Is Toast" post every two weeks.

Now, I myself am amazed at the expectations and hype over the "coming indictments".

People told me I was cynical before I found DU years ago. Looking back, it amuses me now because I was obviously very optimistic then.

It's been hammered home to me now that republicans do not commit crimes or engage in conflicts of interest. Only democrats do that.
Republicans do not die in plane crashes, only democrats do that.

Excuse me for saying it, but there ain't gonna be no indictments. We keep hitching our bandwagons on to new "heroes", the lastest being this Fitzgerald guy.

If they allow this "Plamegate" thread to be pulled, it will go all the way back to the manufactured disaster of 9-11.

Ain't gonna happen. Sorry to rain on the parade, but I'm a bit tired of the false hope.

For one of the few times in my life, I would love to be wrong. I WANT to be wrong. But I've seen enough of "American character" to know where this thing is headed.

At this point in time, I would be happy with Bush stepping down at the end of his term like he's supposed to. I'm at the point now where I truly feel like the normal succession is in jeopardy.

[Demit]

1. You sound very tired. Perhaps you should pull your wagon to the side of

the road and take a little rest. You can catch up with us all later.

[Lasher]

2. I beg to disagree

There will be indictments, at least for obstruction of justice.

[natrat]

3. whatever happens

one thing is sure-this admin/congress bis doing its best to sabotage this country

[indepat]

4. "American character," the Congress, the MSM, and we the people

are wholly responsible what has happened to our institutions, our Bill of Rights, our fiscal integrity, our good name in the world, for each of these could have stopped this cabal in its tracks, but instead voted in virtual lockstep, shilled for, and applauded in rapturous support for the man and his policies, actions, and pre-emptive war.

[raccoon]

10. No, "we the people" --at least a lot of us-- didn't

"voted in virtual lockstep, shilled for, and applauded in rapturous support for the man and his policies, actions, and pre-emptive war."

[indepat]

18. Most of the Congress, MSM, and we the people did IMHA

[mediaman007]

5. For more than three years I have spent most waking

moments at DU expecting this administration to come undone. Like you, I figured that it would be one term and done, like his dad. I thought that he* would get ripped for all the set up election rallies. I thought that the public would rise up when they gave away the national park system. I thought that his* inability to communicate a coherent thought would be a window to his lack of qualifications. But these people evaded any responsibility.

Like you, am hopeful. But I've been following this too long to know that it may take more than the Plame issue to trim their power. Perhaps it is the link to 9-11 and LIHOP/MIHOP. That would be the dagger.

[jus_the_facts]

6. Suck it up.....have some faith and hope......

...the system works...sigh. :banghead:

[H2O Man]

7. For the next four days

I am requesting that everyone reduce the number of times they say, think, and act "no." Replace "no" with "yes." The word "know" is okay, of course.

For practice, we can sing along with our favorite Beatle, John:

"Yes is the answer, and you know that, for sure."

[Solomon]

9. Waterman!!! Whud Up!?

Don't know what I'd do without all your posts. You've become one of our sage elders.

[H2O Man]

13. Hello, Friend Solomon!

It is easy to look at the huge mess we are in, and to feel it is overwhelming. That's why it is important to break it into smaller, workable segments, and take them one at a time. Fitzgerald and McNulty are doing just that.

Things are going to pick up rapidly, and soon. And I have a feeling that when it happens, and you and I meet here on DU, I know what your first word will be: "Yes!"

[Marnieworld]

12. That's H20 man!

Thanks for all of the Plame threads and Never Giving up. I can understand the despair and hopelessness of the original poster. It's hard to get beaten again and again and think that it could ever change. Yet, all we have is hope. Without hope and the actions connected to it we are lost. We can't stop believing things can change or else they never will.

[itzamirakul]

8. Solomon I know just how you feel..

I stopped having those high expectations of "justice" some time ago also.

What we have here is a bunch of newbies, still fresh to posting here perhaps (despite their posting numbers) and who have not witnessed the thousands of previous "Bush is toast" postings for things that we absolutely KNEW were high crimes and misdemeanors, yet were never punished.

But see, these newbies don't want their hopes dashed, so I have refrained from saying what you just posted, because I didn't want to burst anyone's bubble. Just check my signature line at the end of this post.

As for me, just knowing that Delay has suffered some humiliation for his dirty dealings ...just knowing that Rove, Libby, Cheney, members of WHIG, and so many others have sweated off at least 10 pounds each this past week, makes me happy because we already know that the Dems are too weak to pick up a pencil, the pundits are too well-paid by the rw, the media has been bought off, the government has been largely taken over by the Likud, and the Supreme Court is married to the mob so that any real punishment will never happen in our lifetime.

But we gotta let our guys have their dreams even when we know better from past experience.

:)

[Lasher]

20. We'll find out soon

itzamirakul,

I hope that one day I might become wise, like you and Solomon. But until then, it is good of you to condone my uninformed dreams.

You think the Fitzwater investigation will not produce indictments. I think it will. We'll find out soon. If I'm wrong, I'll post a crow-eating message here, admitting your superior intellectual powers. How about you?

[itzamirakul]

22. Lasher, this isn't about a contest among Dems to prove who will be

right or wrong about the indictments. I am hoping for them also, so why would I need to post anything to show that I am eating crow if they come down? But for the past couple of years, we have seen crime after crime committed by this administration and yet no one has been held accountable. I don't think you can blame us for not believing anyone will be held accountable this time either.

So, to answer your question, No I will not write a crow-eating response if the indictments come down.

And Lasher, if they do NOT come down, I don't want YOU to write a crow-eating post either - at least not for MY sake.

[madrchsod]

11. it`s up to the jury now and i`m sure they are in deliberations

they decide who is going to be charged and their findings will be turned over to either the circuit clerk or a judge of the federal court in washington.
http://www.pawd.uscourts.gov/Pages/fgi.htm
U.S. District Court WPA Erie

[McKenzie]

14. I am not going to say what I think openly Solomon

However, there is a well tried tactic to stop something "they" don't want to happen. I'm not going to spell it out here though...not until a week or so from now, or maybe never, depending on what comes out of Fitzgerald's investigation.

You have valid reasons to be sceptical.

<edit>said too much - some deleted text

[tx_dem41]

15. I agree with a lot of what you have to say....

especially about the part where you talk of "hitching bandwagons on to new "heroes""....

Everything seems to be way over-amplified and over-simplified on this forum at times (and especially recently). IMO, there is also way too much "hate" and cynicism on this forum.

The one thing we should be talking about is how to win during this election cycle and the next one in 2008. That means talking about what the Democrats are FOR (i.e. positive policy statements), and don't just emphasize what we are AGAINST (e.g. BFEE, Diebold, KKKarl, etc.). Successful campaigns take a great deal of concentration and effort. If we could take some of the passion that I see in a lot of the "I HATE <fill-in-the-blank>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" posts and the MIHOP/LIHOP posts and apply that towards constructing a positive platform, then DU would have served its purpose quite honorably.

[kevsand]

16. Republicans DO commit crimes, and DO get indicted.

You obviously don't know Fitzgerald very well. He eats both Democrats and Republicans, for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. This isn't wishful thinking, this is fact.

He's got the former Republican governor of Illinois at the defendant's table right now. Ryan was arguably the most powerful politician in Illinois for a generation. After his time in the legislature and the Secretary of State's office, every politician in Illinois owed this governor a favor.

It took four years, but Fitzgerald is putting him behind bars. He will do the same to several members of the Bush admin.

[jedicord]

17. Hey, the Astros won the pennant last night.

Now ANYTHING can happen!

[Dunvegan]

19. I remember how slowly Watergate developed...

...when I volunteered to stump the streets on Election Day from my university's Demo Party "get out the vote" effort during Nixon Redux.

I kept arguing to Repubs "Are you really going to vote for a man who'll be indicted and will probably have to step down during his second term?"

And to a voter, they looked at me with a total blank.

It took forever for Watergate to finally and fully come to fruition.

But, if anyone remembers the closing sequence of the movie "All the President's Men" you see how slowly these things take to build...until the reporting and investigative tipping point catapults the events to excape velocity speed.

The movie's final scene comes down fast...rapid fire...headline, after headline, after headline...and Woodward and Bernstein typing and typing and typing...(for me this resonates with the current crises' "blogger chatter")...until the final "fade to black" for the Nixon White House:



Somehow I believe I remember that the final headline was "Nixon Resigns" in the film.

It felt like it took forever in real life, as I recall.

But when it broke...it broke like a tsumani.

[Solomon]

21. I remember writing about a big "whoooooosh" about three years ago

now. Didn't happen.

They say you can indict a ham sandwich before a grand jury. If they do indict anyone, it WILL be a ham sandwich. Somebody totally sacrificial. Somebody that doesn't mean anything.