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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:04 PM
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Rep Nadler calls for expansion of Fitzgerald's investigation - WMD lies.
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 06:12 PM by understandinglife
October 20, 2005

Acting Deputy Attorney General Robert D. McCallum, Jr.

Robert F. Kennedy Department of Justice Building

Room 4111

950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW

Washington, DC 20530

Dear Deputy Attorney General McCallum:

I urge you to use the powers granted to you, under the regulations promulgated by the Department of Justice in June of 1999, to expand the framework of the investigation currently being conducted by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald.

It is now clear that the key reason cited by the Bush Administration - the imminent acquisition by Saddam Hussein of weapons of mass destruction - to persuade Congress and the American people of the necessity of invading Iraq was not true. There is new and mounting and evidence, stemming in part from the current investigation, that members of the Bush Administration may
have deliberately, and, therefore, illegally, misled Congress. Since Special Counsel Fitzgerald is already investigating the CIA leak, it seems appropriate that he be empowered to expand his investigation to examine whether the leak itself was part of a broader conspiracy knowingly to mislead Congress into authorizing a war.

As a member of the Judiciary Committee who opposed the extension of the independent counsel law, I do not take this matter lightly. I believe these types of investigations should be reserved for only the most serious of alleged crimes, but I have to believe that lying to Congress in order to obtain its support for a war meets that test.

Some of the evidence that members of the Bush Administration may have
deliberately, and, therefore, illegally, misled Congress is as follows:

1) We now know that during the summer of 2002, at a time when the White House maintains that no decision had been made about going to war, the Bush Administration created the "White House Iraq Group" whose sole purpose appears to have been to market and sell a decision to go to war to Congress. It appears that this group specifically sought to deceive Congress about the intelligence regarding weapons of mass destruction. (New York Daily News, Oct. 19, 2005.)

2) We now know from the so-called "Downing Street Memo," that it appeared to senior members of the British Government who had conferred with senior Administration officials, that "Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy." (Emphasis added.)

3) We now know that President Bush included in his State of the Union Address in January of 2003 an already discredited reference to Iraq seeking uranium from Niger.

4) We now know from Special Counsel Fitzgerald's investigation itself that there was an orchestrated campaign to smear and discredit
Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who attempted to tell the truth about some of the faulty "evidence" used by the White House to make its case for war. Although Mr. Fitzgerald's investigation has yet to determine whether a crime was committed by any Administration official(s) in leaking the identity of Wilson's wife as a covert CIA operative, it is abundantly clear that the White House Iraq Group was engaged in an effort to discredit revelations of the falsity of the Administration's justifications for the war, and to intimidate and punish those who would reveal the truth. According to sources quoted by the New York Daily News, this group of White House officials was "so determined . . . to win its argument that it morphed into a virtual hit squad that took aim at critics who questioned its claims." (New York Daily News, October 19, 2005.)

5) We now know that top Administration officials, including Vice
President Cheney's Chief of Staff, I. Lewis Libby, misrepresented to the media the scope and nature of what the U.S. intelligence community knew and didn't know about Saddam Hussein's weapons programs before the war. (Newsweek.com, Oct. 19, 2005.)


Manufacturing of media complicity, if achieved through a deliberate plan to provide false information, would have played a key role in misleading Congress. And indeed, we need to know more about the relationship between Administration officials and certain media outlets in view of details emerging from this investigation regarding the special access to Administration officials and, perhaps, to potentially classified information afforded to Judith Miller of The New York Times, which led to clearly erroneous stories supporting the Administration's false claims regarding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

With this growing body of evidence that the White House may have deliberately misled Congress into authorizing war, a broader independent investigation is clearly necessary.

Special Counsel Fitzgerald has done a great service to the nation thus far by investigating the CIA leak, but real questions remain. Was the CIA leak incident an effort to enforce discipline as part of a much broader criminal conspiracy by members of the Bush Administration to deceive Congress about a matter of war and peace? Who was involved? Were any of their actions criminal?

These questions go to the core of the functioning of democratic self-government in the United States. Honest, if mistaken, reliance on faulty intelligence to convince Congress to authorize a war is bad enough. But, if, as mounting evidence is tending to show, Administration officials deliberately deceived Congress and the American people, this would constitute a criminal conspiracy against the entire country.

It is self-evident that the Administration cannot investigate itself in this matter. I therefore urge you to expand the Special Counsel's investigation to include these matters crucial to our national security and national integrity.

I look forward to your response.

Sincerely,

Jerrold Nadler

Member of Congress

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/3851

Jerrold Nadler has served in Congress since 1992. He represents New York's 8th Congressional District, which includes parts of Manhattan and Brooklyn.


Please consider doing the following:

1. Call Congressman Nadler and thank him for his continued leadership.

2. Send this letter to everyone you know.

3. Perhaps a DU Activist effort could be to ensure that all media receive copies of it.


Peace.

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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:05 PM
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1. Wouldn't that just be grand?
It would remind me of those warm and fuzzy Starr days.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:05 PM
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2. Nadler is a Stand Up Guy
There should be an expansion on the investigation.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:12 PM
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3. goooooooo nadler..i love that man!!
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 06:13 PM by flyarm
would this hold up indictments though???????? i can not bare waiting much longer..i will need sleeping pills!!

lol

thanks ul!!!!!!!!!

fly

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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:16 PM
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4. Great how Dems are piling on- Schuster, then Kucinich and now Nadler
About time the Dems went on the offensive. They must be quite sure of indictments to get so much more aggressive.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:18 PM
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5. Media release -- Nadler: Fitzgerald Must Broaden Investigation
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 06:21 PM by understandinglife
WASHINGTON, D.C. - In light of recent developments in the CIA leak investigation and other recent revelations, Congressman Jerrold Nadler today called for Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald to expand his investigation to include a criminal investigation to examine whether the President, the Vice President, and members of the White House Iraq Group conspired to deliberately deceive Congress into authorizing the war in Iraq. This is the first call from a member of Congress for the Fitzgerald investigation to be expanded to look into whether the White House engaged in a conspiracy to lie to Congress.

"The CIA leak issue is only the tip of the iceberg," Congressman Nadler said. "This is looking increasingly like a White House conspiracy aimed at misleading our country into war - in part by manufacturing now-refuted evidence in support of its rationale, in part by smearing and silencing critics, and in part by manipulating media complicity. There is mounting evidence that there may have been a well-orchestrated effort by the President, the Vice President, and other top White House officials to lie to Congress in order to get its support for the Iraq War."

It is a crime to lie to Congress under several federal statutes. Congressman Nadler requested that Special Counsel Fitzgerald follow the leads he has already discovered and broaden his investigation to include charges of lying to Congress. In his letter to Acting Deputy Attorney General McCallum asking for a broadening of Special Counsel Fitzgerald's investigation, Nadler cited the President's infamous reference to African Uranium in the 2003 State of the Union Address, reports of the White House Iraq Group's singular mission to sell the war at all costs, assertions made in the "Downing Street Memo," and reporters' own accounts of media manipulation.

"Honest, if mistaken, reliance on faulty intelligence to convince Congress to authorize a war is bad enough," Congressman Nadler wrote in his letter to McCallum. "But, if, as mounting evidence is tending to show, Administration officials deliberately deceived Congress and the American people, this would constitute a criminal conspiracy against the entire country."

"We are no longer just talking about a Republican culture of corruption and cronyism," Nadler added. "We now have reason to believe that high crimes may have been committed at the highest level, wrongdoing that may have led us to war and imperiled our national security."

Congressman Nadler demanded answers to the following questions in his
letter to McCallum:

--> Was the CIA leak incident merely one part of a larger illegal effort by the Administration to deceive Congress about a matter of war and peace?

--> Who was involved?

--> Were any of their actions criminal?

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/ny08_nadler/FitzgeraldwarMemo102005.html


Crystal clear.

Spread it, please!


Peace.

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:21 PM
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6. How do we know that he hasn't broadened the investigation already?
We don't know how far it stretches..
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:26 PM
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9. We don't. But, what Rep Nadler just did is the first time a Member of ..
.... Congress has called upon Mr Fitzgerald to investigate specifically whether White House engaged in a conspiracy to lie to the Congress.

This is the first call from a member of Congress for the Fitzgerald investigation to be expanded to look into whether the White House engaged in a conspiracy to lie to Congress.

“The CIA leak issue is only the tip of the iceberg,” Congressman Nadler said. “This is looking increasingly like a White House conspiracy aimed at misleading our country into war – in part by manufacturing now-refuted evidence in support of its rationale, in part by smearing and silencing critics, and in part by manipulating media complicity. There is mounting evidence that there may have been a well-orchestrated effort by the President, the Vice President, and other top White House officials to lie to Congress in order to get its support for the Iraq War.”


So, rather than wondering or hoping that Mr Fitzgerald has taken the initiative, he is now being requested to investigate.

Good question; thank you.


Peace.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:48 PM
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14. pat buchanan thinks he has - "big case" + may be working w AIPAC prosecut
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 06:49 PM by emulatorloo
<snip>

My own sense, from hearing and reading about Fitzgerald is that he may be going after much larger game, that he may have what Bob Bennett calls a "big case," that he may be going after the White House and WHIG for fabricating the case for war, that he is roaming afield, looking into who forged the Niger documents and passed them on to U.S. intelligence and whether the case for war was shot through with deceit and lies. (But if lying us into war is a crime, we would have to have a second look at that FDR memorial on the trail to Haynes Point.)

An interesting question is whether Fitzgerald is now working with McNulty, who got Larry Franklin to plead and is now going after AIPAC and the Israelis and has the fruits of five years of FBI investigations going back into the 1990s. Are the two Irish prosecutors collaborating?

<snip>

Will add link later. . .from msnbc hardblogger if you can't wait

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9601200/#051019a
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:23 PM
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7. Glad Nadler's chiming in!
This is about treason, after all, and the lies were part of the treason.

I have a pet peeve though. Nadler, like many others, refers to the outing of Plame as an attempt to "discredit" Wilson. :wtf: I do not get this. In what way would it "discredit" Wilson for people to know that both he and his wife were bravely serving their nation, and that he had access through her to important connections when he made his trip? In other words, his association with her undoubtedly made his trip far more successful than it otherwise might have been. Please explain where the "discredit" could possibly lay?
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:56 PM
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16. Discrediting Wilson
The Bushcists were trying to make the case that Val Plame recommended
her husband for the job of visiting Niger, that it was a shameful case
of nepotism, and if I remember right, something to the effect that
Wilson was a good-for-nothing who couldn't get a job unless his wife was
pulling strings for him.

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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 07:04 PM
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21. Aw, sheesh.
That's BS. She had no authority to hire him. He made no money in the deal. He had a long and amazing career behind him. What a foolish move if they thought such a ploy would do anything other than blow up in their faces.

I am convinced though, that it had nothing to do with discrediting - even this Regime isn't that stupid. It was naked revenge and intimidation of any other potential whistleblowers.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 03:41 AM
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36. But to Republicans - where it's all about who you know, not what you know
in jobs and special perks - saying he got the nod to go to Niger because of his wife is like saying Wilson was only as qualified as someone like Brownie. Cronyism is such an accepted part of their world, they thought it was an easy way to discredit him.

IMO, the leaking was to stop the wife's investigation, not to smear the husband's critisism. It just looked less treasonous to go after Wilson.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 02:03 PM
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40. I've assumed revenge,
but yes, recent posts have put forward a pretty coherent theory that Plame was getting to close to some dirty deals that the BFEE did not want revealed. Makes a lot of sense.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 02:32 PM
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43. Simple revenge/discredit - Have Wilson pulled for DUI, drugs, child
porn on a computer, drop some suspicious money in his bank account and let the IRS find it, use the Patriot Act secrecy to trace the cash back so it looks like a Iraqi/Nigerian bribe for keeping his mouth shut. Way too many things they could have done to him - but they wanted Brewster Jennings shut down - quickly. Most reasonable speculation has been that BJ was about to blow the lid on them sneaking WMD into Iraq as a justification for the war
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 03:38 PM
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44. I like the way you think.
They could have avoided the treason problem altogether and accomplished the revenge/discredit mission. They took a much bigger risk, presumably because there was a much bigger problem to hide than "just" their lies about the war.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 07:17 PM
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23. Larry Johnson has posted a wonderful debunking of "The So-called "Lies" ..
... Joe Wilson"

by Larry C. Johnson on October 19, 2005

The smears keep on coming. The airwaves have been filled with folks like like Joe DiGenova, his wacky wife, Victoria Toensing, and Andrea Mitchell insisting that, "Joe Wilson lied" about who sent him to Niger and what he discovered. Well, let's play he said, she said and pinpoint the real liar.

<clip>

Definitely something to pass around; here's the link:

http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2005/10/the_socalled_li.html



Peace.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:25 PM
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8. Why didn't others sign this? Is it too soon for him to do this?
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 06:26 PM by KoKo01
And, he has no power so what can come of it? I think it's WONDERFUL THOUGH!

:woohoo: :bounce: :woohoo: :bounce:
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:30 PM
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10. Be a whole lot of open seats next year if Fitzgerald indicted everyone...
...in Congress who voted for the IWR along with Bush and his minions for War Crimes. Oh man. He could clean house in one fell swoop.

Don
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:32 PM
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11. Jerrold Nadler is my rep
I'm glad i voted for him. He's the man.
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NYFlip Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 10:32 PM
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32. He's mine too.
He's great.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:36 PM
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12. AWESOME - recommended.
:toast: to our fighting Democrats.
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:47 PM
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13. Will do!
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 07:03 PM by countryjake
Kicked and recommended!


I was compiling an email already, including what robertpaulsen has posted today. This letter can be the preface to that; maybe it'll get them to actually read the rest!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:49 PM
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15. Wonderful move on Mr. Nadler's part. The DSM lives!
The lies, once they begin to unravel, will not be re-raveled.

:thumbsup:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 07:01 PM
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19. "The DSM Lives"!! In_deed!!
:hi:


Peace.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:58 PM
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17. "Who are these people that keep telling us lies and how did these people
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 07:00 PM by understandinglife
...get control of our lives

and who'll stop the violence

'cause it's out of control?

Make 'em stop."


I'm a bit amazed but those are the words of an anti-war song that Burt Bacharach!!!! is releasing on October 24, 2005 -- his first lyrics, ever, and a transformation of someone I never imagined becoming an activist artist.

Here's the story:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051020/lf_nm/leisure_bacharach_dc_2

Amazing.


Peace.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:59 PM
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18. Wider, Wider! Were the Bushcists making the case for war in
Iraq when they did nothing to stop 9/11--despite warnings from the
intelligence agencies of 11 countries and from 3 different FBI
offices?



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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 07:04 PM
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20. excellent
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 07:04 PM by hiley
I am more than happy to follow your suggestions and I hope this will be a DU Activist effort.
Recommend!

Listen to John Amatto interview Lawrence O'Donnell of course about the CIA Leak or known by some of us as Treason-Gate.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2171078&mesg_id=2171078
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 07:07 PM
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22. MY Rep. Mine.
I'm so proud.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 07:24 PM
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24. Recommended! A great sign Congress is waking up!
I have a feeling when the indictments come down, they will be so embarrassing that even Rethuglicans will no longer want to seem associated with the neo-con misadministration.

This is a good first step!
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 07:27 PM
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25. And he's only scratching the surface!!!!
Way to go Rep. Nadler. Loved your work on the stolen elections, keep it up!!!!
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 07:46 PM
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26. I think it appears to already be going there, no?
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dalaigh lllama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 07:56 PM
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27. Oh, what wonderfully subtle understatement!
I LOVE this line:

"I believe these types of investigations should be reserved for only the most serious of alleged crimes, but I have to believe that lying to Congress in order to obtain its support for a war meets that test."

Go get 'em, Nadler!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 08:07 PM
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28. WaPo: Key Players in the Plame Affair
Key Players in the Plame Affair

Compiled by Tanya N. Ballard and Kevin Dumouchelle

Thursday, October 20, 2005

A July 14, 2003, newspaper column by Robert D. Novak sparked a two-year investigation into whether White House officials illegally leaked the identity of a covert CIA agent in retaliation for public criticisms made by the agent's husband about the Bush administration's case for invading Iraq.

<clip>

Bios on the following:

Valerie Plame | Joseph C. Wilson IV | Robert Novak | Karl Rove | I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby" | Judith Miller | Matthew Cooper | John Hannah | Ari Fleischer | Scott McClellan | Patrick Fitzgerald

At the link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/20/AR2005102001487.html


May come in handy during the next few days as you are explaining to more and more people who just haven't been following the treasongate investigation as closely as they should.


Peace.

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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 09:32 PM
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29. Kick for Truth
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 10:20 PM
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30. Must see Lawrence O'Donnell interview. Here's the link:


"Prediction: at least three high level Bush Administration personnel indicted and possibly one or more very high level unindicted co-conspirators."

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/10/20.html#a5475


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Cults4Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 10:20 PM
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31. Another Dem who speaks truth to power!
We need the rest of them to stand up!

We should Boxer this guy with flowers only maybe something more masculine or maybe a large donation in his name somewhere.

Definitely Activist Corp worthy.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 10:36 PM
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33. Mccollum now has to be investigating this but probably his
guys will pass over the information but Bull Dog has done it all for him!!!
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 10:40 PM
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34. I wish he would have mentioned the OSP
I guess that fits in with point #5.
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 11:00 PM
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35. Kick!
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 10:44 AM
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37. Yes, excellent
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 10:55 AM
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38. Kick
n/t
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 11:12 AM
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39. Awsome...Just Awsome!
:bounce: :woohoo: :applause:
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 02:06 PM
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41. Go, Nadler! Go, Nadler! Go, Nadler! Go, Nadler! *dancing*
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 02:11 PM
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42. I wonder what statute of limitations would apply to such egregious crimes.
My guess is that the S/L is pretty doggone long!
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Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:45 PM
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45. What if the Real Reason
...was to prevent Valorie Plame's work from progressing, and diverting it to Wilson? Their outing of her certainly did have that effect.

Given that 'endless war' is the goal of the industrial military complex, it all makes sense. Spinning it to discredit Wilson was just icing on the cake.

I've also read somewhere that Miller was embedded with a purpose of 'finding WMD's' that were planted, but for now, that is just a rumor. My gut says it could be true though.
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Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:45 PM
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46. What if the Real Reason
Edited on Fri Oct-21-05 05:47 PM by Nictuku
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