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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:39 PM
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Is there a Democratic equivalent to this Republican voter fraud website?
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 07:05 PM by Onlooker
American Center for Voting Rights is a very slick right-wing site. Do we have an equivalent site?

http://www.ac4vr.com/

http://www.ac4vr.com/reports/072005/republicanincidents.html
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:43 PM
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1. Are they right wing?
"Brian A. Lunde has served at the highest professional levels within the national Democratic Party. Since beginning his political career as a field coordinator for the 1976 Jimmy Carter for President campaign, Mr. Lunde has served as Executive Director of the Democratic National Committee (DNC), as Campaign Manager for the Presidential bid of Senator Paul Simon, and as Director of two winning campaigns for the DNC Chairmanship (Chuck Manatt in 1981 and Paul Kirk in 1985)."
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:49 PM
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2. It's a fraud
Lunde headed Democrats for Bush 2004. There are a lot of good articles here:

http://www.bradblog.com/ACVR.htm

Their home page tries to make them look like they're close to the Carter/Baker Commission, but I suspect not even that is true. At any rate, looking at that site and seeing how some right-wingers are using it, it looks like the right is trying to steal the issue from us, just like they tried to do with Hurricane Katrina (by blaming the problems on local and state Democratic leaders).
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 07:35 PM
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7. What a surprise
More fraud from the right-wingers.
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:49 PM
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3. Looks impartial to me.
Your second link leads to a part of their site that rips the Republicans for the long lines and other methods of voter suppression. That is not what an RW site would do.

Also, IF it is done fairly, there is nothing wrong with requiring a voter to show a photo ID. That would certainly stop the graveyards from voting.
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 06:58 PM
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4. You didn't read the page
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 06:59 PM by Onlooker
The report basically finds those individuals who said the charges against Republicans are false. For instance,

(A) Charges Of Long Lines Orchestrated By Republicans To Suppress The Minority Vote

On June 2, 2005, Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean charged that Republicans caused long lines at polling places on Election Day to suppress the minority vote. Dean stated:

“The Republicans are all about suppressing votes: two voting machines if you live in a black district, 10 voting machines if you live in a white district. … You know, the idea that you have to wait on line for eight hours to cast your ballot in Florida there’s something the matter with that. … Well, Republicans, I guess, can do that because a lot of them never made an honest living in their lives.” (7)

However, Democrat election officials in Franklin County and the U.S. Department of Justice have refuted this allegation. During the recent U.S. House Administration Committee hearing held in Columbus, William Anthony, Chairman of the Franklin County Democratic Party and County Board of Elections, flatly rejected the allegation that long lines were part of some effort to disenfranchise minorities and/or Democrat voters. Anthony further testified that long lines were not limited to minority and Democrat communities. Anthony stated under oath:

“Some have alleged that precincts in predominantly African American or Democratic precincts were deliberately targeted for a reduction in voting machines, thus creating the only lines in the county. I can assure you Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, both as a leader in the black community and Chairman of the local Democratic Party and a labor leader and Chairman of the Board of Elections, that these accusations are simply not true.” (10)

* * *

The whole report (and there are others that are similar) is simply a compilation of statements by those individuals who disagree with the view of many other Democrats. There's nothing impartial about it at all, except maybe its tone, which was apparently effective enough to fool some people.

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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 07:33 PM
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6. Very long page. I scanned it.
I don't have time to go into every issue in detail, so that got a very brief once over.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-20-05 07:05 PM
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5. It is not "voter fraud", it is "election faud".
www.uscountvotes.org
www.solarbus.org
http://www.verifiedvoting.org
http://openvoting.org

to name a few
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