The best way to debate with Freepers...

[Speck Tater]

I had this minor epiphany today after debating a freeper. The best way to debate with freepers is to NOT debate with them at all. If they ever change their minds it will be in their own time and in their own way. In the meantime, our time is MUCH better invested in discussing the facts with those who are on the fence, or just not paying attention at all. Forget the freepers. It's a complete waste of energy arguing with them. Focus on the battles you can actually win by focusing on the undecided.

[Parche]

1. FREEPS

They are so bullheaded, and ignorant, and also never listen.

[BOSSHOG]

10. I've discovered one thing gets their attention

but not everyone has it. If they start blathering on about Iraq and why I should support it, I just whup out my military retiree ID Card. That has ended 100% of such conversations I've had with them. The Vet Card, don't leave home without it. I have also discovered that everyone who has confronted me about my objection to the iraqi situation has never served in the military. Go figure.

[afdip]

2. there are 40 million sheeple in this country

who will vote for dubya the demigod when he is in prison (this will far surpass the 2 million who voted for eugene v debs). morons all

[Faygo Kid]

3. True. No matter what you say. . .

they will deny it. And say, what about Bill Clinton? They are eating one another, and this time not just about evolution. Bon appetit.

[sojourner]

4. yup...

this is conclusion many of us came to a while back. it IS the fence sitters that you can get to. OR repugs who have recently started to "see" beyond fux talking points and *'s posturing.

[stop the bleeding]

5. I think one thing that you can learn from the so called "conservatives"

is that the liberals need to have some unifying points/messages (meaning they have FOX, Rush, and several other outlets to pound their message(s))Doing what you said to focus our energy and thoughts is a good thing. To argue with the freeps I say no to that to watch and learn their different plots, ideas and goings on I think that is useful.

On a unifying message, I think maybe H. Reid said it today

"America can do better" well thats a start.

:patriot:

[nradisic]

6. Absolutely right!

Freepers are as thick as they come. It is absolutely no use arguing with an ignorant person. Their entire argument tends to be non-sensical. How can you argue lies and twisted rhetoric vs. truth? They just need to see the light one by one...

[Broken_Hero]

15. yeah,

its very hard to argue with them, they have no room, and i mean NO room at all for change, or even the thought of change really....i usually debate freepers, just to see how their thinking goes...which usually leads me to believe its very unlogical, and very twisted, but its their opinion, so i do let them have it, its theres to live with....

[TomPainesBones]

7. Bet them

I've found that is the best way to debate them.

When they make an absurd statement that you know to be false and you can prove it with documentation, bet them.

Ten bucks, twenty bucks, whatever.

Tell them to prove it.

They'll either STFU or you'll have a little extra cash.

[nookiemonster]

8. Nailed it!

When reality smacks them like a proverbial fucking 2x4, then maybe they'll get a clue.

Until then, it's like talking to a pile of poo.

[ThoughtCriminal]

9. Face it, they're the bottom 1%

But it is worthwhile to debate them in the presence of others. The point is not to persuade the freepers, but to make them look foolish. Humiliating the talking points does have an effect on the fence sitters.

[driver8]

11. I just had a Freeper tell me that he could never be convinced that

Shrub and company lied so they could invade Iraq. I give up...if they are that blind and that naive, they are not worth talking to.

[samsingh]

12. there's no talking to freepers

they're worthless, stupid, and a lost cause.

they don't want to know the truth about outing a secret agent which makes them entirely unamerican.

[Lefty48197]

13. Good idea.

I though you were going to say, "Meet them in the hallway outside their algebra 1 class".

[slampoet]

14. That's the kind of strategy that......

....won Kerry the Election.

[I_Make_Mistakes]

17. Actually, being a reformed Repuke, I would not let anyone back

me into a corner and ty to shove their opinions down my throat. I did learn to listen to what I heard and reviewed it in my own space, and now, I am a Democrat.

I however, started doing what was done to me, shoving it down their throats (as a Dem), I guess I have just learned from my own mistakes.

We have to learn how to talk to the politically uneducated (I am still a member of that clan), without making them feel dumb, uneducated or intimidated. That is what the Repukes have done, worked on lowering vocabulary, rhetoric, and recruitment down to their level, it is sad but true.

I think we should bring everyone up to a higher intellectual level, while the Repukes want to bring people down to a lower intellectual level (Intellect without integrity (should be Dem's message with candidates to back it up) has no meaning in this world.)).

The only smart repub's are those who have wealth, or those who perceive they might attain wealth based on the historical anomalies.

[Laelth]

19. Nicely said.

But I wonder if we shouldn't work on lowering our level of rhetoric too. We need to beat the Pukes at their own game, or at least match them at it and level the playing field. Plus, we need a liberal equivalent of Fox News ... a left-wing brainwashing/propaganda outlet that feeds on fear and frustration and channels it into political action.

And I am not being sarcastic. I wish I could be sarcastic on this subject, but we've got to do something about the direction this country is heading, and we must do it soon. If that means "sinking" to their level, so be it (minus the barbaric wars, corruption, and cronyism, of course).

-Laelth


Edit:Laelth--spelling.

[I_Make_Mistakes]

20. I agree, but there is a knack for lowering the rhetoric without lowering

the message. I had an un educated really nice guy work on my condo the last week. We had occasion to have limited discussions, the problem with the Dems (alot of us), is that we may not have time (because most of us work for a living and don't live off interest and trust funds) to be politically savvy (lingo is part of the fight), but if we put it in simple terms, with major underlying concepts behind the word, we will get it..

We don't have to explain the details, if the concepts are stated plainly and simply, the common man is far more knowledgeable than any of us educated, big worded, high-fullutin (no idea the spelling of the word, only an audible spelling) big concept people give them credit for. This is the acknowledgment that the Repuke's came to understand 20 + years ago.

That is the problem, the nuances and subtlety can not be easily communicated (which we get hung up in), but the general gist can. We are caught up in our own snobbery, without any intent. This worker, blew me away with his insight.

[MN ChimpH8R]

16. This should work nicely

[radwriter0555]

18. Well they ALWAYS invoke CLINTON and as we saw with kerry, force the debate

to defend Clinton (or Kerry)..

The best thing to do is turn the table and force them to defend bush, cheney, rove, meirs, libby, rice, etc.

We let them decide the course without taking an initiative. This has to stop.