Is Chalibi the FORGER of the NIGER DOCUMENTS!!!

[lovuian]

thats what MSNBC has suggested today on Chris Matthews!!!

He's a Lousy artist!!!

[jsamuel]

1. and they mentioned that Chalibi was VERY CLOSE to Cheney and *

[MADem]

8. And do not forget Judy, Judy JUDY!!!!!!!

She and he were thick as the proverbial THIEVES.

[jsamuel]

10. they didn't mention that... i was shouting at them to mention it, but they

didn't

[MADem]

21. Give 'em time, a five year old can connect those dots!

It may take them awhile to grasp that fat pencil and draw the lines, but eventually, they will. They HAVE to, they will look like fools if they do not.

[rodeodance]

89. i will loan them a pencil.

[MADem]

95. It has to be one of those great, fat little kid ones

So they can wrap their greasy, chubby, clumsy fingers around it with relative ease!

[oasis]

9. And don't forget the Chalabi/ Judith Miller connection.

[Ilsa]

28. Yeah, we have video of Chalabi as Bush's* guest of honor

at the SOTUA a few years ago.

[lovuian]

50. Yep being wined and dined and that kid who was killed in Iraq

was having dealings with him!!!

Libby definitely is a major sicko to have a room all on Wilson!!!
That he is totally obsessed ...everything Wilson writes or says Libby has it!!!

and he hasn't learned his lesson he keeps on attacking Wilson!!!
White House still smearing them instead of letting it go or apologizing!!!

Digging their OWN GRAVE!!!

[TallahasseeGrannie]

2. That would be a nice neat circle

now wouldn't it?

Too neat, I think

[The Backlash Cometh]

19. Wasn't a Mossad double agent involved? One who originally

lived in Paris? From what I understand, the Italian CIA was involved somehow, and the Niger report materialized when some legal documents, as well as some forged ones, (one of them being the infamous Niger report), was passed on to whom? The Italian CIA?

Ohhhh, I'm sooooo confuseeeeeeed!

[lovuian]

24. Fitz went to Italy himself and talked to the Italians and got all

these documents from them!!! The show says Fitz not leaving any stone unturned!!!

[The Backlash Cometh]

31. You're kidding me!

When this guy's story gets written, it's going to be a compilation of WaterGate and the Da Vinci Code!

[rodeodance]

42. I did not hear that Fritz himself went to Italy.

[lovuian]

123. Rodedance your right I reviewed it and he didn't go to Italy

just contacted them!!!That leaves alot of open conjecture but your right!!!

[leveymg]

93. I think you mean Manoucher Ghorbanifar

A very heavyweight figure in the international arms trade and a central player in Iran-Contra. He's on the DO NOT TRUST list with the CIA, but the Bushites and Likudites still treat him as one of the good ol' boyz.

[leveymg]

99. You may also be talking about Michael Ledeen, who also

meets the bio and MO you just laid out.

[rodeodance]

57. the WH circle is small by design. they deserve to get burnt out.

[jasmeel]

3. What did Tweety have to say about that?

[jsamuel]

6. he was like, "umm... wouldn't that like be the biggest story ever?"

[MaineDem]

4. Wouldn't surprise me in the least

Judith Miller, Chalabi, Cheney...

[Hobarticus]

5. Sometimes the answer is right in front of your face...

Could be that easy.

[MO_Dem]

7. I was trying to remember

the story about Chalabi's office being broken into or raided? and documents confiscated? Some time ago? Seems like I remember some head scratching on CNN about what was going on. Anybody remember that? Could it be related to this investigation?

[radio4progressives]

11. that happened in Iraq - after the occuption got set up

but the break in could still be related in some way..

we'll probably never know.

[MO_Dem]

17. Yes, it happened in Iraq

Was Chalabi arrested and incarcerated for awhile? My poor old memory is shot to hell!:(

[radio4progressives]

26. that was the report at the time - but what the hell happened after that

got lost like dust in the wind..

like so many other pertinent stories....

[flyarm]

96. chalabi arrest from my files from yahoo

sorry mods but story no longer available so i will post in entirety..



Yahoo! News - Iraq Issues Warrants for Chalabi, Nephew
Iraq Issues Warrants for Chalabi, Nephew

Sun Aug 8, 6:47 PM ET

By JAMIE TARABAY, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraq (news - web sites) has issued arrest warrants for Ahmad Chalabi, a former Governing Council member with strong U.S. ties, on counterfeiting charges, and for his nephew Salem Chalabi — head of the tribunal trying Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) — on murder charges, Iraq's chief investigating judge said Sunday.





The warrant was the latest strike against Ahmad Chalabi in his removal from the centers of power. A longtime Iraqi exile opposition leader, he had been a favorite of many in the Pentagon (news - web sites) but fell out with the Americans in the weeks before the U.S. occupation ended in June.



Both men denied the charges, dismissing them as part of a political conspiracy against them and their family.



Salem Chalabi, named as a suspect in the June murder of Haithem Fadhil, director general of the finance ministry, called the accusation "ridiculous." His uncle said the charges were "outrageous" and "manufactured lies."



Ahmad Chalabi was somewhat marginalized when he was left out of the new interim government that took power June 28 but has since worked to reposition himself as a Shiite populist. At the helm of the war crimes tribunal for Saddam, the Ivy League-educated Salem Chalabi remains a central figure in Iraq.



"They should be arrested and then questioned and ... if there is enough evidence, they will be sent to trial," Judge Zuhair al-Maliky said.



In Washington, the Bush administration had no comment about the charges against the Chalabis. "This is a matter for the Iraqi authorities to resolve and they are taking steps to do so," White House spokeswoman Suzy DeFrancis.



The warrants, issued Saturday, accused Ahmad Chalabi of counterfeiting old Iraqi dinars, which were removed from circulation after the ouster of Saddam's regime last year.



Iraqi police backed by U.S. troops found counterfeit money along with old dinars during a raid on Chalabi's house in Baghdad in May, al-Maliky said. He apparently was mixing counterfeit and real money and changing them into new dinars on the street, the judge said.



The accusation is not Ahmad Chalabi's first brush with legal problems. He is wanted in Jordan for a 1991 conviction in absentia for fraud in a banking scandal. He was sentenced to 22 years in jail, but has denied all allegations.



The men were out of the country Sunday but promised to return to Iraq to face the allegations.



"I'm now mobilized on all fronts to rebuff all these charges," Ahmad Chalabi told CNN from Tehran, Iran, where he was attending an economic conference. "Nobody's above the law, and I submit to the law in Iraq ... despite my serious and grave reservations about this court."



"I don't think ... that I had anything to do with the charges so I'm not actually worried about it," Salem Chalabi told CNN from London. "It's a ridiculous charge, that I threatened somebody ... there's no proof there."



If convicted, Salem Chalabi, 41, could face the death penalty, which was restored by Iraqi officials on Sunday, al-Maliky said. His uncle, who is in his late 50s, would face a sentence determined by trial judges.



Born in Baghdad, the younger Chalabi studied at Yale, Columbia and Northwestern University and holds degrees in law and international affairs. He served as a legal adviser to the interim Iraqi Governing Council and was a member of the 10-member committee framing the basic transitional law for the new interim government.



But Ahmad Chalabi's star has steadily declined. He was once considered Washington's most likely choice for Iraqi president after Saddam's fall, but he was never popular in Iraq and ended up without a job in the new government.



A frequent guest on news talk shows in the United States, Ahmad Chalabi had significant, and controversial, influence on America's Iraq policy before the war. His network of Iraqi exiles in the Iraqi National Congress provided the Bush administration, and some news organizations, with reports on Saddam's purported weapons of mass destruction programs.



Those weapons were cited by the United States and Britain as the primary justification for the Iraq war. When no significant weapons stocks were found, Chalabi became a liability. He has continued to insist that the weapons exist.

Chalabi also was accused recently of informing Iran that the United States had broken its secret intelligence codes, a charge he branded as "stupid." And around the time of the raid on his house, U.S. officials privately complained that Chalabi was interfering with a U.S. inquiry into money skimmed from the U.N. oil-for-food program by pursuing his own probe.

As relations with his American backers soured, he has tried use the fallout to enhance his stature among Iraqis, many of whom saw him as an American puppet.

"I've risen higher in the esteem of my people and I'm now much better positioned politically in the country, because I'm in sympathy with my people. This is what it is all about," Chalabi said Sunday.

Among his campaigns to win favor with Iraqis have been purging Baath party members from the Iraqi government and attempting to set up an exclusively Shiite political party. He recently played peacemaker in ending violence in the Shiite holy city of Najaf in June.

[bluedog]

27. Thursday May 20, 2004 Associated Press

Mr Musawi said the Americans also raided offices of Mr Chalabi's group, the Iraqi National Congress (INC), which was a nexus for Iraqi political exiles during the Saddam Hussein era and had close ties to US officials, especially in the Pentagon.

"The aim is to put political pressure," Mr Msawi told the media. "Why is this happening at a time when the government is being formed?"

There was no comment from the US military press office. Police sealed off the residence in the city's upmarket Mansour district and would not allow reporters to approach. At least two Humvees could be seen, with a dozen US troops milling about.

US officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, have accused Mr Chalabi of trying to interfere with an investigation into alleged corruption of the UN-run oil for food initiative, in which Saddam's government was allowed to sell oil despite international sanctions to buy food and humanitarian supplies.



Chalabi house raid sparks anger

Associated Press
Thursday May 20, 2004

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1221084,00.html

[MO_Dem]

48. Oh, thanks!

That episode probably didn't have anything to do with this situation. For a minute there, I could just imagine Fitz's agents going to Iraq and getting evidence. Whew! I was almost a conspiracist! :-)

[caledesi]

38. Chalabi was convicted in Jordan in absentia. nt

[leveymg]

76. Yes. Chalabi was under CIA house arrest last May.

The reason given was that they suspected him of corrupt trading in goods in Iraq and of passing information on to Iran. But, I believe the real meat of the matter is this:

In late 2003 and into the Spring of 2004, the FBI and CIA had confirmed the line of authorship for the forged Niger Yellowcake documents. Those were traced from Cheney's office back to the Pentagon Office of Special Plans (OSP) which obtained them after Michael Ledeen, Harold Rhode and Larry Franklin met in Rome in December 2001 with Manoucher Ghorbanifar. Chalabi, along with Ledeen and his old CIA and Iran-Contra figure Dewey Claridge and another former CIA officer, are now accused of forging the documents.

As a result, the OSP was closed down in late 2003. Special Prosecuter Partrick Fitzgerald was appointed on December 3, 2003. Larry Franklin was arrested in the OSP-AIPAC spy case on May 4, 2004, and Chalabi was detained later that same month. Ledeen and Clardidge remains at large, but has been implicated in the plot by former CIA counter-terrorism chief Vince Cannistraro and others.

The circle is almost squared.

[lovuian]

13. Oh Ya thats true but the Italians still had a copy of them!!!

Fitz got them in his hot little hands!!! HA HA HA!!!

This is all coming from Shuster's report on Chris Mathews show!!!

[DoYouEverWonder]

33. Yes

we all thought it was the end of Chalabi. Then he went off to Iran and hung out there for awhile, before he reinvented himself and went back to Iraq.

[DURHAM D]

44. Should we suppose at this point that it was the CIA that raided

Chalabi's office ? Looking to get the goods on Cheney, WH, etc.?
Perhaps raid was not so much about Chalabi but all about the CIA being tired of taking the blame for the lying administration.

[rodeodance]

12. one good comment by Tweety was how this story would become world

wide--talking of cheney pushing the reasons to go to war and the Nigar docs. it will no longer be a WH aide getting even and outing a cia agent.

[rodeodance]

14. more coming up in a minute.

[rodeodance]

16. the inner circle is sticking!

[Lancer]

15. Ahmed's Razor?

If true, it is ALL over. Mark my words.

[rodeodance]

18. Repubs comtempllating the Presidency without Rove.

[rodeodance]

20. talking of staff changes possibly --for 'broader' WH problems. well well.

[rodeodance]

22. now talking of 'fatigue'-burn-out at the WH--long hours. etc.

[rodeodance]

30. I heard this earlier --must be a talking point--how exhausting everybody

is.

[WinkyDink]

25. Brilliant! ("Ahmed's Razor")

No, really!

[tridim]

23. Friend to all republicans.. (dial up warn)

[oasis]

45. Great collection of Chalabi pix.

[lovuian]

29. Chris says this isn't gossip were talking about the Presidency!!!

Thanks Chris for not letting them SPIN!!!

[rodeodance]

32. yes, that one guest was downplaying the significance of this issue.

[rodeodance]

35. now discussion of possible infusion of 'fresh blood"

[rodeodance]

37. guest saying wilson was saying cheney sent him to Niger!

[rodeodance]

39. Tweety does not seem to clarify this either-even as he got hot.

[LynnTheDem]

34. Yes. He ran a forgery shop in Kurdistan.

WHY is this STILL not well-known?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

61. I know alot Lynn, and I didn't know this! OMG! Thank you! eom

[LynnTheDem]

94. Here's couple links to Chalabi's forgery habit

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5127464&mesg_id=5127464

And you're welcome. :)

[lovuian]

97. Thanks Lynn and he was a double agent!!!

majorly supported by Bush!!! All I know is Fitz went to Italy to investigate!!!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

100. Thank you again! I'm passing these links on!

:hi: and you rock!

[lovuian]

36. OMG their trying to explain the resignations!!! as Work Burnout!!!

Baaawaaahaaa!!!

Scooter Libby is obseessed with Wilson has a whole room devoted to Wilson!!! He's a sicko!!!

[rodeodance]

41. yup--as I said--this was discussed on another talk show today also.

[flyarm]

92. on ed shultz's show they discussed this and then had Joe Wilson on..

wilson seemed quite taken back by it!!!!!!!

fly

[TahitiNut]

40. Former CIA officers Duane Clarridge & Alan Wolf were the principal forgers

"Previous versions of the report were redacted and had all the names removed, though it was possible to guess who was involved. This version names Michael Ledeen as the conduit for the report and indicates that former CIA officers Duane Clarridge and Alan Wolf were the principal forgers. All three had business interests with Chalabi."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5119625&mesg_id=5119625

[lovuian]

43. Tahiti are you sure they said it came from Chalibi!!!

thats the source!!! Watch it at 6PM thats what they said!!!

[AlCzervik]

46. Associates of Chalabi-thats what i heard.

[lovuian]

52. Were Bush & Cheney the associates of Chalabi???

thats who I'm getting!!!

[AlCzervik]

54. of course, Cheney was his Sugar Daddy.

[TahitiNut]

60. Tweety LIES on every show.

He has REPEATEDLY spouted the falsehood that Wilson claimed to be sent to Africa by Cheney. That's a falsehood every time he says it. Medidamatters has nailed him repeatedly but he continues to repeate the "big lie" and feed the coprophageous reich. Tweety lies and mischaracterizes damned near everything he spouts.

I provided a link to a DU thread that discusses a DailyKos posting.

[rodeodance]

47. Chris is reading 10 Repug talking points about Wilson-hot off the press

[rodeodance]

49. one talking point was about wilson inhaling and chris laughed at how

ridiculous this was given the seriouness of the issue.

[rodeodance]

51. David Gergen talking about the clumsiness of the Miers nomination and

the distractions caused by this case.

[rodeodance]

53. Amy Goodman coming up yeah!!!!!

[rodeodance]

55. I think Chris has Amy on cause he knows she is a smart gal --(and he

pouches stuff from her).

[lovuian]

56. LOL!!!

LOL!!! Its very frustrating poor Gergen!!!

[rodeodance]

59. Gergen has been coding stuff to the WH--wonder if they are listening?

[rodeodance]

62. for instance--he said that like Reagen, Bush should get new blood--someone

who is credible with the Congress, It worked for Reagen after the contra affair.

[lovuian]

83. Ya rodie!!! I think your right its like make Bush a Reagan not a

Nixon!!!

[rodeodance]

86. they keep trying!!

[DURHAM D]

58. So is the real CIA using the Fitzgerald investigation to shut down

the worldwide Neocon (rogue) version of the CIA ? Is CIA to CIA Neocon Network as FBI/CIA was to Nixon WH rogue spook Plumbers group?

[rodeodance]

63. Chris asking if this scandle will weaken the reasons for war?--she said

no--just people like you (chis) who are hyping this up!

[rodeodance]

65. She sure is a sorry case@ Melanie Morgan!!

[MN ChimpH8R]

69. I suspect that is very close to the truth

Everything I have read lately indicates that the professional spooks are very unhappy with Chimpco. They are not people to be screwed around with. Nor is an incorruptible Irish alligator of a prosecutor.

The spooks protect their own, and the Cheney/Rummy cabal ain't part of the brotherhood.

[DURHAM D]

85. Do you think Daddy Bush currently has enough of a relationship

with the real CIA to get them to allow his little boy to continue as Pres or will they go ahead and take out baby Bush?

On reflection - I bet the real CIA is pretty pissed at Poppy for not pulling Baby back onto the reservation long before now. At this point, I would be willing to bet no one returns Poppy's calls. They could go after him (Poppy) as well - lots of folks really angry about Brewster Jennings, etc.

[leveymg]

102. I think they gave Poppy his black capsule last summer. Recall

the H.W. started doing strange things for an 80-year-old man, like learning how to skydive? He knew then that his days were numbered.

This is the Fall of the House of Prescott-Walker-Bush. They'll never be trusted again. They even took away their secret decoder rings and their keys to the bones vault in New Haven!

[leveymg]

98. Ding! Dang! Give that man a Cee-gar!

And around and around we go!

[lovuian]

64. OH Melody Morgan is acusing Chris of promoting this story!!!

Maybe Joe Wilson will get indicted!!! Melody your sick!!!

[rodeodance]

66. Amy--saiys major protest next week--when 2000 soldiers die--same time

about when the decision will be handed down.

[rodeodance]

67. Melainie--you are NO Amy!!

[rodeodance]

70. chris asking Mel. if she is claiming Plame was not an undercover agent?

Melanie said Lots of people questioning this.

[lovuian]

72. Poor Amy is trying to speak and Melanie is screeching her out!!!

Melanie is the SCUM OF THE EARTH!!!

Her followship is Bush & Cheney!!!

Abrahms thinks its a cover up WHOO HOO!!!

[rodeodance]

84. amy keep on talking steadily even with mel. cutting in.

[lovuian]

68. NAZI MELANIE MORGAN!! Love Amy!!! Love AMY!!!

Morgan just acused Chris of promoting this story!!!

[rodeodance]

71. Chris looked a bit red faced.

[lovuian]

73. Chris why did you invite her she is a witch!!!

She is downright mean!!!

[rodeodance]

77. She sure tried to downplay the story and stuck Chris with hyping up the

story.

[rodeodance]

74. Amy was saying that there will be a big protest -about same time as these

decisions are made by Fritz---protesting the 2000 lives that are lost.

[flyarm]

104. i just fucking love amy..she needs to just get a little more rude and

scream back over the * whores!!

come on amy ..she is so gentle and sweet and sooooooo damn smart...she takes no back seat to any fucking melanie whore!

can you tell i hate these little neo con witches??

now i will settle down...got that off my chest!!

i just love Amy...she is brilliant!!

i wish she would just tell the likes of melanie to stuff a sock in it!!

Tweety looked mad at Melanie..but then he cut it off...he did not push that lying witch enough...about Vaerie being a cia noc...he should have smeared the floor with her!

but thats the good old days of media..how could i forget???????

:shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

fly

[Nederland]

75. Who cares?

The Niger documents were never the basis for anything...

[lovuian]

78. The Niger documents were the 16 words in the State of Union

address the speech where he lied to America and Congress!!!

[rodeodance]

81. that is what I thought. thanks.

[Nederland]

101. No they weren't

Apparently you never read the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence report...

[rodeodance]

79. what do you mean by that?

[Nederland]

103. Answer

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence investigated the origins of the 16 words and after interviewing several CIA officials and reviewing multiple documents concluded that the CIA and the British realized fairly quickly that the documents were forged and based its conclusions on other sources of information.


http://intelligence.senate.gov/iraqreport2.pdf

[lovuian]

105. Those 16 words were in the State of the Union even though

Bush & Cheney knew they were forged!!! Cause they were told and made to support the whole WMD Myth!!!

[Nederland]

108. Wrong

They were in the SOTU address because Bush and Cheney refused to consider the balance of the evidence. Rove is smart enough to prevent Bush from actually lying in the SOTU address, so he chose the words very carefully. He had Bush say "The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." If anyone challenged that assertion later the White House would simply produce the British report making that claim and say: "See, I was telling the truth. The British did say that Iraq was trying to acquire uranium from Africa". As it turns out, that's precisely what happened when the SSCOI investigated.

Look, this is a settled issue. The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence looked into this over a year ago and ripped the White House and the CIA for only looking at the intelligence that suited their pre-formed opinions. Yes, some of it was bad intel, but lots of it was perfectly good intel. For example, it is undeniable fact that in 1999 an Iraqi delegation went to Niger to talk about increasing trade and that the Nigerian Primie Minister believed that their intent was to acquire uranium. There was also lots of other evidence to suggest that they sought uranium from other countries too. But that's not the issue and it never was. The issue was and always will be one of competence. Bush is an incompetant fool who is incapable of digesting information that contradicts his predefined world view (Iraq Bad. US Good. Saddam tried to kill daddy. Must invade).

Its all in the link, if you really aren't familar with this stuff I'd suggest you read it.

[flyarm]

110. but the second report has not come out and roberts has been hiding it!!

roberts asked that they not put out the secodn report until after the election and it still is not out and he has done everything he can to shut it down!

[Nederland]

112. All true

...but it won't contradict the first report.

[Emit]

121. The issue of the British Intelligence being the source of the SOTU address

Has always bugged me, for some of the reasons you note. Here's an old thread about the forged documents, as this was being discussed at great length some time ago on DU:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1939214#1947536

So, regarding my question at that time, 'Have Blair/British officials ever divulged who their source was for their claim? And, if not, are we left to assume that they are, in fact, both from the same source?' -- It appears, then, that there were other sources to the Brits regarding this matter, if I'm understanding your explanation correctly.

At that time, you can see from my #59 post on that thread, as I was delving into this matter, I kept wondering if the Brit's source (the one that the WH said its intelligence was based on) was one and the same as the forged documents in question with the Wilson case. If so, then Bush & Co. were just setting up a circuitous deception.

[rodeodance]

107. they were diverting attention from Cheney Bush. you do know that.

[flyarm]

106. what??????????? you are kidding right???

how about the fear factor * used them for with the american people?????????

in the sotu....16 words?????? remember them???????

mushroom clouds???????strike a bell????????

fly

[Nederland]

109. Read post #108 (nt)

[hiabrill]

80. Ladeen is the man NOT Chalabi

Fortunately, there are good signs. Fitzgerald has reportedly asked for a copy of the Italian government’s investigation into the break-in of the Niger embassy in Rome and the source of the forged documents. The blatantly fake papers, which purported to show that Saddam Hussein had cut a deal to get yellowcake uranium from Niger, turned up after a December 2001 meeting in Rome involving neo-con Michael Ledeen, Larry Franklin, Harold Rhodes, and Niccolo Pollari, the head of Italy’s intelligence agency SISMI, and Antonio Martino, the Italian defense minister.

snip

The other American attendees at Ledeen’s Roman Holiday are also worthy of scrutiny. Larry Franklin was recently arrested for leaking classified US government information to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Ledeen sprang quickly to his defense but Franklin faces prosecution next year and is most probably cooperating with prosecutor Fitzgerald.


www.huffingtonpost.com


All roads lead to AIPAC .........

[rodeodance]

82. thanks again for this.

[buzzard]

87. You will find this site interesting also.

http://www.franklingate.com/

[rodeodance]

90. i will check it out. thanks once again.

[lovuian]

88. Well I think Fitzgerald went to Italy and asked somebody and

they said Chalibi and that was Shuster who said it!!!

[lovuian]

91. So are any of these guys associates of CHALIBI???

they needed him right!!!

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

111. There's a Leeden-Chalabi-Ghorbanifar axis of bullshit

& that's where I believe the Niger documents came.

[lovuian]

113. Thanks Monkey!!! I can see there is a few of us who still disagree

who the forgers are and hopefully Fitz knows that answer!!!

But my bet is Chalibi was involved and in the midst of all of this!!!

[seemslikeadream]

114. Ahmad Chalabi Judith Miller and Naor Gilon

http://www.sw-asia.com/People/Judith_Miller_Naor_Gilon_Franklin_AIPAC.htm

Judith Miller is Unnamed Woman in AIPAC Spy Ring Indictment
More Notes by Barry O'Connell
www.SW-Asia.com

Page 24 Paragraph numbered 7of the AIPAC Spy Ring Indictment (see below)
http://news.findlaw.com/nytimes/docs/dod/usfrnklin...

This is in reference to a meeting between FRANKLIN (Larry Franklin) and FO-3 (Naor Gilon) at the Pentagon Officers Athletic Club. The woman referenced is Judith Miller. Miller is a reporter for the New York Times who is as I write held in a Federal Facility in contempt of court. She wrote many now discredited stories on WMDs for the Times. The Charitable work was The Iraqi Jewish Archive which Judith Miller and Harold Rhode cooperated on with Ahmad Chalabi.

I have reason to believe that the conversation between Larry Franklin and Naor Gilon about Judith Miller included a reference to Valerie Plame. This case becomes a time bomb if it is revealed that Mossad had a part in the outing of CIA agent Plame.

http://www.sw-asia.com/People/Judith_Miller_Naor_Gilon_Franklin_AIPAC.htm

[lovuian]

115. ??? can they do a handwriting analysis don't they need the

origianl thats on paper??? the seal was copied right!!!

[Straight Shooter]

116. Holy crap.

Mossad. This thing just gets uglier and uglier and uglier.

[seemslikeadream]

117. Gilon -- a Mossad officer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x166396#166423


leveymg (1000+ posts) Thu Oct-20-05 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. That makes complete sense. Who else would Franklin be talking about?
Edited on Thu Oct-20-05 03:52 PM by leveymg

Let's see. June 3, 2003. That was twenty days before Judy Miller's first recorded meeting with Scooter. She claims the name "Valerie Flame" written in her reporter's notebook was from another source, which she says she did not disclose to Fitzgerald, pursuant to the agreement her lawyer made with the prosecutor to keep Miller's post-release testimony to the substance of her discussions with Libby.

It all fits nicely. Maybe too nicely. This is why. It appears that the whole Plame outing conspiracy was structured to avoid prosecution under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982. (IIPA). If Judy can plausibly claim that she learned Plame's identity from Gilon -- a Mossad officer -- rather than from Scooter, that would let Libby off the hook as far as an IIPA conviction is concerned, along with anyone else at the White House she also passed identifying information about Plame to.

That particular law requires the prosecutor prove five things: 1)that the official who leaked the identity had a security clearance and 2) access to a classified document, 3) he intentionally leaked it to 4) a person without a security clearance, and 5) the US gov't was taking active measures to ptotect the covert identity of the agent who was outed.

If Gilon, an agent of a foreign government, was Miller's source for Plame's identity rather than Libby (or another US Gov't official, such as Bolton) the conspirators may have thought they had created a firewall between themselves and violation of the IIPA.

But, here's where this strategy would fail and potentially create enormous leverage for the prosecutor. If Fitzgerald had evidence that Gilon conspired to inform Miller about Plame's identity, that's Espionage and conspiracy. A violation of the section of the Espionage Act dealing with revealing classified documents to foreign powers is a potential capital offense. That's some pretty scary leverage.

I think it's entirely possible that a very powerful agency of the US Government prevailed on the Israelis to convince Gilon to talk to Fitzgerald. If Judy were linked to espionage, she would sing her head off before the Grand Jury about what she knew about Scooter and the others she talked to. And, that's exactly what I believe she has done.

If Miller was the unidentified woman referenced in the the Larry Franklin OSP-AIPAC spy case indictment, she is the key to linking the Bush White House to a foreign espionage ring that illegally funneled forged documents to the Vice President's Office in a plot to involve the US in a war with disasterous results. That is treason. It is potentially fatal to any and all involved, particularly to those officials at the top of the conspiracy.

Another possibility is that Larry Franklin was Judy's source. We know that at some point he was detected by the FBI, which "turned" him into a cooperating witness. Franklin continued to work at Feith's and Wurmser's Office of Special Plans (OSP) at the Pentagon until it was shut down, and he was indicted last summer. For months, the Bureau monitored Frankin and his conversations and meetings as he moved within the OSP and neocon network trading documents alleging Iraq and Iran WMDs back and forth with the Israelis.

If this second scenario holds, that would likely mean the FBI was also monitoring Miller, as she spread the poison pill around the White House.

Either way, OMG.

[Straight Shooter]

120. Excellent synopsis. Thanks for finding and posting that.

I can't believe this is happening, I really can't. I mean I can, but it's just so freakin' beyond the pale. I wonder what Fitzgerald is thinking as he's putting these pieces together.

Judas Miller, the queen cobra in a den of vipers.

[lovuian]

125. unbelievable!!!

:crazy:

[radwriter0555]

118. it would be CONVENIENT to blame chalabi, since he's a man on the run

and an indicted criminal by Iraq on stealing all their money.


Hey, wait a minute. Did the bush regime set chalabi up? Hell, they dragged him out of jail to appoint him ruler of iraq... and now iraq is blaming him for stealing the money, the US is pinning the NIger docs on him?

Did they set him up like they set up saddam back in the day?

Or is he really just a bad guy?

[Neil Lisst]

119. you say "chalabi," I say "lying, cheat"

you say tomato, I say toMato ...

chalabi, lying cheat ...

let's call the whole thing off!


It's a loose reference to a show tune, for those who don't remember the time before cell phones.

[robbedvoter]

122. If Tweety says Chalabi, I become convinced it is in fact Rove

Watch everything Tweety says - he seems to have one stable agenda only: to clear his buddy Rove.
Bush's Brain author wrote it was Rove

The Most Important Criminal Case in American History (84 comments )
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-moore/the-most-important-crimin_b_9183.html
- here comes Tweety with a diversion.

[lovuian]

124. Thanks Leveymg!!!

Chalabi, along with Ledeen and his old CIA and Iran-Contra figure Dewey Claridge and another former CIA officer, Alan Wolf, are now accused of forging the documents.

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=7681

and I hope LynnDem sees this too!!!