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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:50 PM
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Chris Matthews reading new GOP memo handed to him by staffer
about Joe Wilson smoking pot. Matthews is laughing at it and asked the gop guy thats there "Does this really seem like a good idea right now?"
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flakey_foont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:52 PM
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1. is "smoking pot" supposed to discredit Wilson?
hmmm, how about a certain "Cocaine Cowboy"? maybe that should be brought up
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:52 PM
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2. no kidding, he called a "Poop sheet in more ways than one"
and he called the gop guy on it as bullshit.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:53 PM
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4. You mean the alcoholic
Edited on Fri Oct-21-05 04:53 PM by DoYouEverWonder
that lives in the WH?

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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:53 PM
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6. no, one of his Toadies, Charlie Black--that was the guy.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:35 PM
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60. I bet he got access to the good shit.
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jasmeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:52 PM
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3. WTF! Is this what they're left with? OMG!!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:53 PM
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68. Pathetic Fucks. I (almost) Feel Sorry For Them, but
I want them all hung & strung, so to speak.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:53 PM
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5. That was absolutely ridiculous! The Repukes are getting soooo
desperate!!!!
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:54 PM
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12. it was funny, he comes back from break and he says--
"I just had a producer hand this to me, it's the new talking points on Wilson, what they want theie people to say about Wilson"
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:07 PM
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39. That was funny. He knows how ridiculous they are. nt
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:20 PM
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49. Not only that, but
he also removed the "Do not remove tag under penalty of the law" tag from his bed!!! This is HUGH!!!111
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:54 PM
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7. At least they didn't say he kicks puppies
That one may have damaged his image. :rofl:
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:57 PM
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That's next.
Along with pictures of Ambassador Wilson eating Kitten Stew while serving as Ambassador to China.

Oh wait--he was never ambassador to China--oh well no biggie.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:54 PM
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8. I agree with David Gergen. That is pathetic
I heard the reaction to it but missed the allegation. Pot smoking--Jesus Christ.
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faithnotgreed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:56 PM
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21. so gergen really called it pathetic
nice to hear

thanks for the details
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Reciprocity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:07 PM
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40. "missed the allegation"
Someone asked if Wilson would ever run for office. He said something like. I have to many marriages drank and smoked to much and yes I inhaled to ever run.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:54 PM
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9. As if anyone really cares
:eyes:

Discrediting Wilson is so pointless.

Valerie Plame was an undercover CIA agent and her cover was blown. That is the point.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:57 PM
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23. Nobody lifted an eyebrow when Kerry and Edwards said they smoked pot.
Why would they care that Wilson smoked pot in his past?
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:54 PM
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What? Did a guest hand it to him or does Matthews receive a daily fax?
Edited on Fri Oct-21-05 04:56 PM by Marr
Because really- this 'talking point attack' shit is a scandal in itself.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:55 PM
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16. a producer literally handed it to him while he was just coming
back from break.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:57 PM
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24. Christ- seems to me that's a story in itself, you know?
Why can the GOP get talking points into Chris Matthews hands so quickly and easily? Doesn't that suggest something?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:58 PM
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26. i think it is indeed and he made a point of telling us about it
don't care for him much but good on for sharing the info.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:00 PM
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31. Liberal Media my ass!
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:55 PM
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18. He said a producer had just handed it to him
...
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:54 PM
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10. I KNEW IT...A POT TAKER !
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: Gasp :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:50 PM
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67. Yes, apparently the transportion of the pot is of utmost importance
I love Rosie O'Donnell. More importantly, I just love her stories about her dad.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:54 PM
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11. I know what this is
Wilson's been speaking at colleges, and recently somebody asked him to run for president. he laughed and said he was a true child of the 60s and he DID inhale.

Back in the 60s.

Oh But Bush has never taken any mood altering substances--it might interfere with the 80 proof in his bloodstream!

This is lame. But let them try! It won't interfere with the lawsuit!
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:10 PM
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43. He said that at my old alma mater, San Francisco State University.
I went there in the late 60s — and yes, there were a few drugs there then.

:smoke:
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:55 PM
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13. Yes this is sooo sad when this is our Nation's security!!!
:crazy:
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:55 PM
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14. that's all they know how to do.......
...make the other guy look bad and maybe people won't notice how bad they (republicans) already look!!!

This is simply an act of desperation. They would try something else too if they could think of something that might work for them.

At this point, nothing could take attention away from the investigation!!
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:55 PM
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15. At least Matthews is laughing. He could have tried to push it.
Wilson has already defused the issue, and if his own admission isn't enough, well maybe we should compare his youth to that of the pResident.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:05 PM
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38. GOP idiots pulling out their old Clinton notes-whatta bore
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:55 PM
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17. BUSH WAS A FREAKIN' COKEHEAD.
Just a reminder.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:07 PM
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41. WAS?
That motherfucker is STILL a lush and a blowhound
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:56 PM
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19. How low will they stoop?
Oh, that's right - nothing is too low for these fucks.

My guess is Joe Wilson's pot smoking will only matter to that fraction of Bush's crumbling base that isn't goign to ever believe him anyways.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:57 PM
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22. oh they'll discover a new bottom floor previously unknown to humankind.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:01 PM
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32. At this rate, they'll be hitting China soon. n/t
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:25 PM
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51. How is "Wilson smoked pot" stooping low?
WTF is wrong with that? It's hardly an insult.

Hell, more of our leaders should toke. The world wouldn't be NEARLY as violent.

Well, until the Twinkie Wars, anyway...

:smoke:

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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:31 PM
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57. Nothing wrong with the cheeba, my friend
the lowness is in trying to smear Wilson with it. Some Bushbots will buy it, and the culture of character assassination will go on.

I agree with you - I would be more likely to vote for someone if I knew they had inhaled.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:38 PM
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63. Ah, gotcha. There've been a few dumbass DUers...
...who rave about the "horrors" of pot "destroying lives", and repeating the same bullshit lies about the beneficial herb as the nazi fucks at the DEA, so I was unsure.

We're on the same page, friend. I'd probably say it was more desperate than low to use this tactic, since I know LOTS of conservatives who smoke.

(Some are, ironically, not conservative when it comes to their stash - they blow through it like Halliburton through no-bid contracts!)

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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:39 PM
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64. You're right, more desperate than low
Toke it easy! :smoke:
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:33 PM
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58. To paraphrase Terry Pratchett
You get that low, and a cockroach has to kneel to spit on you.

Say goodnight Karl.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:56 PM
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20. From the gang who has oxyrush. Not to mention the problems of the
children of Jeb and their uncle George.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:58 PM
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25. HEHEH...Let's make sure to tune in to Rush on Monday. I'm all ....ears.
heheh
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:02 PM
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35. Yeah that would be good. He wouldn't dare say that unless he's using
again! Only way Rush would think he could get away with that comment is if he were high!
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:58 PM
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27. Fitzgerald needs to know about this pot smoking...
with this type of evidence he'll probably quit the case tonight.....lol, how lame is that "pot smoking", please...
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:59 PM
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28. This is all that's left of the Republican party.
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reality based Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:00 PM
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29. Rove is really off his game. He usually plays the gay card at this point
Edited on Fri Oct-21-05 05:00 PM by reality based
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:02 PM
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34. but haven't you heard... Wilson smoked GAY POT. The horror! n/t
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:26 PM
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52. HAHAHAHA!
So it was "Babs" Marley who shot the sheriff?

:rofl:

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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:56 PM
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70. OMG, Ellen DeGeneres sold him the pot!
Then they had a three way with Rosie O'Donnell
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:29 PM
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56. I heard Wilson has a black child.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:00 PM
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30. folks, this is a GOOD sign.
when they start coming up with crap like this, it shows they are getting desparate. I love it. Bring it on more. Dig up some more "hot stuff" on Wilson. Maybe he donated to MoveOn.org? Hmm. what else can we come up with? Uh, he's not qualified for his job? Oh we already tried that. Hmm... There must be something.

WHO CARES?

This is way beyond Wilson now. Wilson could be into child porn and this thing would not stop.

In my mind, when Fitzgerald sees the crap they're putting out on Wilson, it's only going to make him more determined to get to the bottom of this and bring the people to justice.
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Imalittleteapot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:18 PM
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48. I agree garybeck. n/t
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kywildcat Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:55 PM
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69. Did anyone notice how shill
the woman was,trying to say Plame was not under cover? Matthews got the last word in and dispelled that cheap shot too.
You know, when they have to resort to front people who must resort back to the 'talking over, shout 'em out' interviewee's, they've lost control of the whole thing.
No talking point is going to bring this back for them.
...oh...another day in "As the Cabal Burns"
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:01 PM
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33. That's bullshit!
Edited on Fri Oct-21-05 05:02 PM by Hubert Flottz
Everybody knows, that if Joe Wilson had really smoked pot he would be dead by now! He would have jumped out a window like fArt Stinkletter's drug crazed daughter!
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Reciprocity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:03 PM
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36. I thought Tweety was getting at...
Isn't it unbelievable that we are talking about the administration getting into this much trouble over smearing Wilson, then he gets a fax from the republicans smearing Wilson.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:03 PM
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37. yes, the irony was very, very deep.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:08 PM
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42. "We're in all this hot water trying to trash Wilson, so let's try more!"
Rightwingnuts; stupidest MFers on the planet.

:eyes:
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ucmike Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:10 PM
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44. that explains why he was looking for yellow CAKE
it's over boys. they dropped the big one. our side can pack up and go home.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:27 PM
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54. That's it. It was the dreaded MUNCHIES!
:rofl:
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:12 PM
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45. So? He could still work
for the CIA, or is it the FBI?

would the GOP'ers like to comment on those citizens?

dp
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:13 PM
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46. How would this possibly help them?
So the talking points are: "No, Republicans never leaked his name to get back at him. We would NEVER spread rumors like that. But did you hear about his pot addiction?"
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:37 PM
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62. absolutely right!
Oh, how I wish there were somebody at the DNC whose sole job it was to read DU for ideas--not only was that pot memo totally stupid, but your idea for aiming it back at them is such a great bonus extra. Soundbite-sized, too.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:17 PM
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47. Look At The Lame Lies...
That wench Melody Morgan calls Wilson a liar and says Valerie Wilson outted herself? :wtf: Yeah, right.

Tweety let her go on and on and only at the very last second waived off her lies and didn't allow Amy Goodman to get much in. Typical. Amazing how Tweety knows there are lies going out, and unless it's completely outrageous, then he calls them on it. If it's a minor lie or something meant to distort or divert attention, that's fine with him...and prefered.

DeLay's hack laywer tries to blame the judge and moveon.org...as though these people committed the crimes a grand jury felt compelled to pass out indictments not once, but twice. And why won't the corporate media tell us about DeLay's other co-defendents and how is it their prosecution is some partisan witch-hunt.

Finally there's all these blast faxes flying out of Mehlmann's office...rapid lies and diversions like its going out of style. The panic/frantic nature of these charges now are not only making these goons look desperate but forcing their few remaining friends to begin to distance themselves. Tweety sure looks pained these days cause he knows he's been hung out to dry.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:21 PM
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50. So Nero gets amped out on cocaine and that's okey-dokey...
...but let Joe Wilson smoke pot and he's Public Enemy #1? Is that we we roll in the hood, dog?

Da game is to be sold, not to be told...
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:27 PM
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53. George W. Bush: addict (pot, coke, alcohol), & he pissed on a police car.
Edited on Fri Oct-21-05 05:27 PM by Bush_Eats_Beef
WHERE'S the fucking GOP memo on THIS?

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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:28 PM
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55. i think republicans are going to make it far nastier before they even...
try to make it any better :thumbsdown:
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:33 PM
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59. I fucking hate that flabby piece of dogshit
Edited on Fri Oct-21-05 05:34 PM by gulfcoastliberal
What I posted about this fuckwad yesterday:

Fuck Tweety and his piece of shit big, stupid Bush ass-kissing mouth. He sucks, his show sucks, and MSNBC sucks except for Olberman.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5116676&mesg_id=5116938
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:35 PM
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61. The OP was complimenting him in rejecting the memo as a pile of crap.
There are times when he does the right thing.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:43 PM
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65. That is right.
Tonight was one of them.

It's important to remember that while people on DU have access to a lot of significant information on this scandal, the main stream Americans have not. Further, in order to communicate with people, you have to speak the language they understand. Most Americans do not speak DU. But they do speak MSNBC. (That's not saying MSNBC is a wonderful language -- just that it is what is spoken in this land.) So for the past week, with each night being a build-up, Matthews has described in detail what has gone on in the Plame scandal.

I like Matthews, However, I think his behaviors have earned him the contempt of a large number of DUers. Yet it isn't important right now what we think of him as an individual: what is important is what the main stream Americans learn about the Plame scandal.
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:47 PM
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66. OMG, they must be so desperate.
I made a post here a long, long time ago. My subject line said that Joe Wilson is a hero. This had nothing to do with the Plame investigation and him standing up for what was right about no uranium.

If you do your research you will find that pappy Bush called him a hero! Wilson actually put his life n the line and stood up to Saddam!! Joe Wilson was awarded his job as ambassador because of his taking in people and protecting them.

Here is the link to that post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4235338

So are they saying Pappy Bush was wrong? Are they calling him out for standing up to Saddam?

These people are loons. Let's get the word out about how great Joe Wilson really is.

demgurl
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 05:57 PM
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71. Something just dawned on me...they report "GOP TALKING POINTS" just
Edited on Fri Oct-21-05 05:57 PM by DearAbby
handed? I wonder how many of these slips of paper were handed to them over the years that they failed to say "Just in, Gop talking point for the day"?




on edit: Of course I knew that they did...but this just comes out and admits it...floored me.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:16 PM
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74. I recall Olberman once mentioned that he got one, advising him on how
how to handle discussions about a certain subject. You know, a friendly "educational" note just helping the folks with shows with the "facts" and points to discuss. Olbermann bascially revealed the much suspected practice on the air. As I recall he was sort of incredulous that he'd gotten one. I imagine they took him off their email list after that.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:04 PM
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72. youthful indiscretion?......this is so pathetic!!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:05 PM
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73. So, the GOP sends their smears directly to Tweety? nt
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 09:56 PM
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75. kick n/t
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