UN Gives Green Light for Israel, Syria, US War

[ECH1969]

Israel has been living in a state of war with Syria for decades. Living under the constant threat of missile attacks from both Syria and Lebanon territory hour after passing hour. This tiny, democratic Jewish state has reached out for peace time and time again. Syria responded with Katusha rocket terror attacks across the Israel Lebanon border and the planning of Islamic terrorism inside both Israel and Lebanon.

Now the UN has provided clear proof that Syria has been an open aggressor in the Middle-East with its findings that the Syria government was directly involved in terrorism and the murder of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik al-Hariri.

Ephraim Halevy, former chief of Israel's Mossad espionage agency under Sharon, said it was not necessary to prove a direct involvement by Assad. "The head of the Syrian pyramid is Bashar Assad," Halevy told Israel Army Radio. "I don't think ... there is any doubt that this was an extensive and coordinated operation that was planned for many months. Lots of people from the Syrian elite were involved."

President George Bush has asked Syria a few times: "are you with us or against us?"Bush has stated repeatedly: "We expect Syria to do everything in her power to shut down the transshipment of suiciders and killers into Iraq." Israel does not want war, but nor is it waiting for the next Syrian produced political assassination to occur in Jerusalem.

http://www.israelnewsagency.com/syriaisraeliranwarun7551021.html

[still_one]

1. bush does this without congress HE WILL BE IMPEACHED

[mod mom]

2. Sounds like he did do it:

October 15, 2005


G.I.'s and Syrians in Tense Clashes on Iraqi Border
By JAMES RISEN and DAVID E. SANGER

WASHINGTON, Oct. 14 - A series of clashes in the last year between American and Syrian troops, including a prolonged firefight this summer that killed several Syrians, has raised the prospect that cross-border military operations may become a dangerous new front in the Iraq war, according to current and former military and government officials.

The firefight, between Army Rangers and Syrian troops along the border with Iraq, was the most serious of the conflicts with President Bashar al-Assad's forces, according to American and Syrian officials.

It illustrated the dangers facing American troops as Washington tries to apply more political and military pressure on a country that President Bush last week labeled one of the "allies of convenience" with Islamic extremists. He also named Iran.

One of Mr. Bush's most senior aides, who declined to be identified because of the sensitivity of the subject, said that so far American military forces in Iraq had moved right up to the border to cut off the entry of insurgents, but he insisted that they had refrained from going over it.

But other officials, who say they got their information in the field or by talking to Special Operations commanders, say that as American efforts to cut off the flow of fighters have intensified, the operations have spilled over the border - sometimes by accident, sometimes by design. (*DID YOU READ THAT? SOMETIMES BY ACCIDENT, SOMETIMES BY DESIGN!!!)

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/15/politics/15syria.html?pagewanted=print


"As I suspected six months ago, U.S. military and Bush administration civilian officials confirmed last week that U.S. forces have invaded Syria and engaged in combat with Syrian forces.
Stacy Innerst, Post-Gazette
An unknown number of Syrians are acknowledged to have been killed; the number of Americans -- if any -- who have died in Syria so far has not yet been revealed by the U.S. sources, who by the way insist on remaining faceless and nameless.
The parallel with the Vietnam War, where a Nixon administration deeply involved in a losing war expanded the conflict -- fruitlessly in the event -- to neighboring Cambodia, is obvious. The end result was not changed in Vietnam; Cambodia itself was plunged into dangerous chaos, which climaxed in the killing fields, where an estimated 1 million Cambodians died as a result of internal conflict.
On the U.S. side, no declaration of war preceded the invasion of Syria, in spite of the requirements of the War Powers Act of 1973. There is no indication that the Congress was involved in the decision to go in. If members were briefed, none of them have chosen to share that important information with the American people. Presumably, the Bush administration’s intention is simply to add any casualties of the Syrian conflict to those of the war in Iraq, which now stand at more than 1,970. The financial cost of expanding the war to Syria would also presumably be added to the cost of the Iraq war, now estimated at $201 billion."

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05292/590727.stm


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051015/wl_mideast_afp/ussyriairaq_051015100944

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/nationworld/story/5256373p-4771557c.html

[still_one]

6. gray zone, and NOT occupying Syria. That is different

I am not approving of the incursion into Syria, I am just saying it is NOT an invasion like the chiken hawks did with Iraq or Afganistan

[HereSince1628]

3. check the Iraq War Resolution, it may have given him authority

to act.

That document was not critically examined and debugged. It is one of the Neocons greatest accomplishments. It is to the Neocon warhawks what Hitler's 'Enabling Act' was to Nazis.

[still_one]

8. just for Iraq, NOT OTHER COUNTRIES, is it?

[HereSince1628]

10. You better reread it, it gives very wide latitude

[still_one]

14. I plead ignorance, but even with that latitude

the popularity that * now has, I submit that not only will the people in this country stand against it, but they would call on their representatives to impeach him, if he trys for another pre-emptive attack against a soverign country that has NOT attacked us

More importantly, we just don't have the resources, unless of course they decide to draft, and his own party will turn against him then

[HereSince1628]

15. The majority of "centrist" courting democrats wouldn't impeach

him over that.

[still_one]

20. yeah, unfortunately you are probably right

which is why it is time for some new faces

[Zhade]

11. No no no! You're wrong!!!!111!!!oneoneone!!

The Iraq War Resolution, despite its name, in no way authorized any kind of war at all! In fact, it only authorized weapons inspections, followed by hugs and kisses and puppies for all!

When you suggest otherwise, you let b*s* off the hook for not following the VERY VERY CONCRETE TERMS of the totally, for-real, not-vague-at-all resolution! You cost us elections and make our grannies hate America!

</partisan bullshit designed to safeguard preferred candidate's reputation>

Seriously, though - you're right, which is why it was so wrong for Congress to wrongly give away its Constitutionally-mandated duty to decide on the question of when to go to war.

[HereSince1628]

13. You know, I resent the implication I am a toadie

Somedays, like today, it just doesn't pay to try to participate in a meaningful conversation.

JUst read the fucking document. It IS what gives legitimacy to the entire fucking deployment and application of US force in the middle east

[Zhade]

16. Say WHAT?

I'm AGREEING with you, friend.

Try decaf, maybe?

[LSparkle]

4. I AGREE -- sorry, Condi, he isn't getting another BLANK CHECK

[mom cat]

12. If he sees it as a way out of his low ratings, he will do it.

[blm]

5. BS. Kerry spent time with Bashar Assad in January. Assad wanted Kerry to

carry messages to Bush. Bush refused to speak to Kerry.

That tells me that Bush has had this plan up his sleeve all along and I wouldn't doubt that his operatives set up that assassination. He certainly didn't want to hear about the cordial diplomatic meeting that Kerry and Assad had. What honest leader would purposely refuse a hearing of diplomatic information?

[joemurphy]

7. That is hardly a "Green Light"

And why does Syrian meddling in Lebanon give the US and Israel a right to attack Syria?

If the UN feels Syria was responsible for Hariri's murder, then shouldn't the UN decide what, if any, sanction are to be imposed on Syria?

Our attacking Syria would be a horrendous foreign policy mistake. I can't believe that even Bush would be that stupid. But it bears watching...

[Taxloss]

9. Pfeh - "This tiny, democratic Jewish state has reached out for peace time

and time again".

If by "reaching out" that means "grabbing the Syrian Golan Heights", then yeah.

This is a very biased source. If it talks about "Syrian produced political assassinations" in Jerusalem, it shoudl mention Israeli produced political assassinations in Damascus.

[LynnTheDem]

17. No actually, the UN certainly didn't give the green light for war.

Come on, Israel, we're NOT ALL stupid fucks. ;)

[Behind the Aegis]

18. That's right!

An independent UN council has found reasons to implicate Syria, yet, YOU already know who the guilty party is, Israel. Catch the next flight to NYC! :eyes:

[LynnTheDem]

19. The UN DID NOT green light a war, and that is a FACT.

GET OVER IT.

And while you're at it, READ the UN's report where they say Syrian AND LEBANON officials. Gee, that must mean a UN green light to attack LEBANON, too.

:eyes:

[Behind the Aegis]

21. I never said they did?!

BTW, neither did the article! The ONLY person who said it was a "green light" was the original poster! SO, you get OVER it! The OP started off some good natured Israel-bashing and you carried it on. :eyes: Did you miss that line about "Israel does not want war?"

[LynnTheDem]

23. Then WTF are you yammering on at me about in your prior post???

Whatever.

Have a nice life, I don't have time for this shit.

[Behind the Aegis]

24. Apology.

When I clicked on the link, it went to the body of the article. So, I clicked it again, just now. I realized I was not at the top of the page so scrolled back up and saw that the OP did, in fact, post the title of the piece. And, even saw where the title came from, only proving, reading online articles should be done more than once.

Therefore, I apologize. I thought it was another one of your "Israel is always wrong" posts and responded. I actually agree with you, the UN report is not a "green light" for anything other than diplomatic sanctions, if Syria is found in violation.

I should have realized I was not at the top of the page when I hit the link and I read too quickly. So, my responses to you were inappropriate and inaccurate.

I apologize.

[LynnTheDem]

25. Ok gotcha.

Been there done that myself a time or two, lol! Apology accepted with thanks.

:hug:

[Walt Starr]

22. Bush was granted absolute power to make war on any nation at any time

in the name of fighting terror.

Check it out, Congress abrogated their power to declare war and bestowed that power on George W. Bush.