On JD Mullane- Was election 2004 stolen? -> debunked

[SittingBull]

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/219-10202005-557661.html

First the chapters out of this article, then my answer.

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Mitofsky countered that Freeman's premise is nonsense, that midday exit polls prove nothing and, in fact, aren't accurate.

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Sure- exit polls prove nothing, perhaps all the democrats vote early morning. Or some else crazy behavior was responsible for the first time that exit polls doesn't seem to be trustful. What a bogus grand failure theory!

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"Estimates before poll closings are meaningless.

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Ah, I see, and therefore you have to mix exit poll data with real voting-results? Hahaha

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For somebody to start telling you what the exit polls show during the day is like somebody telling you the football score at halftime. If I tell you the score is 21-7 at halftime, you might want to bet on the outcome. But don't be surprised if the team with the '7' wins," Mitofsky said.


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Aha! In the USA nobody could make a right exit poll. Scary, that throughout the world everbody can. Even Mitowsky. See link below.

In our last german Bundestags-vote, the exit poll match within a margin error of 0,4% for each party. Published at 18.03 o'clock, vote closed at 18.00...

Fire Mitowsky- he was unable do doing his job! Even for the second time! And the last one: Freeman said, that it was unlikely that everywhere and everytime the team with the 7 wins. That's a fact. If Kerry was predicted to be the winner of all critical swing states by afternoon exit poll ( 14.00 ) and win none, that's just a little bit too much "conincidence"


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Besides, he added, Freeman's numbers are "bogus data" cherry picked from exit poll data posted on the Edison/Mitofsky Web site (www.exit-poll.net), and reconfigured to suggest fraud.

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BigLol. So why Mitowski put this data on his website? Why took it so long time for Mitowsky to come clean about his used methods?

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Perhaps there was fraud, Mitofsky said, but exit polling cannot prove or disprove it.

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Önk, önk. Sure. Take that, or die.

I have a better idea.

You have to google. Exit Poll and Chavez. You find a dozens of articles by the US press, that indicate: exit polls are a strongly case for voting fraud if they don't match to real results besides margin error. Troughout the world.
But not so in Orwellian Mitowsky world...

Oh wait, look here:

One weapon against such fraud is the exit poll. As Doug Schoen of Penn Schoen points out, his firm has conducted exit polls in Mexico and, just a few days ago, in the Dominican Republic, which produced results very close to the election results. His partner Mark Penn points out that the firm conducted two previous exit polls in Venezuela, both of which were on the mark. Warren Mitofsky's firm, Mitofsky International, has produced exit polls with similar results in Mexico and Russia. Mitofsky recalls that in 1994, Mexican President Carlos Salinas, seeking credibility with foreign investors for that year's Mexican elections, asked him for advice on what to do. Allow independent exit polls, Mitofsky advised, sponsored by the media, and allow the results to be announced soon after the voting. Mitofsky's exit poll results, announced soon after the polls closed, did in fact come close to the official results, as did another Mitofsky poll in 2000. More important, they provided independent confirmation of the fairness of the count.


http://www.usnews.com/usnews/opinion/baroneweb/mb_040820.htm


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Ongoing:

In an interview afterward, Freeman told me Mitofsky's numbers "just don't add up." Maybe. I looked at them and really couldn't say one way or the other.

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Uhh, great deal for someone who claims to be a journalist...

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But the national poll did add up. Bush won.

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With our without fraud?

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Can we move on?

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You can move on, I guess. If you don't have interest in fair and truthful votes, carry on writing nonsense. Seems no big problem for your mind to get over it and dismiss all logical arguments for fraud. Such things couldn't to be happen in the US- yeah, for sure...

Bah...Holy crap...Sure you were a journalist? Or are you just one more paid member of the cabal like Miller or Gannon/Guckert??

[applegrove]

1. I agree the exit polls are so "odd" that they cannot be trusted.

[Awsi Dooger]

2. How about New York City as an example?

You use Mexico, Russia, and Venezuela and the Dominican Republic and whatever. If early exit polls are so reliable and unerring, Mark Green would have been mayor of New York the last four years, not Michael Bloomberg. Green "beat" Bloomberg 49-47 in the early exit polls.

DUers were basically clueless regarding early exit polls prior to last November, but now want to pretend they know all about them, and how unfailing they are. I've wagered heavily on politics since '96 in a 16-man betting pool. Literally every cycle we've kidded and warned each other not to get too carried away with early exit poll numbers, since they're so notoriously unreliable.

[kikiek]

3. I was told yesterday that the exit polls were accurate for the other

races. Only race they were off was presidential. The odds of the are occuring are 12 million to 1. I am sure there is something on DU about that too.