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Fri Oct-21-05 05:42 PM
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OMG - Cindy Sheehan plans to chain herself to WH fence |
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Said on Randi Rhodes today that she'll do it as soon as the 2,000th US soldier dies in Iraq. Hoo boy.
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Fri Oct-21-05 05:44 PM
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and she also said that she will continue to go back even after she is arrested until the troops are brought home
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Fri Oct-21-05 05:45 PM
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3. ...and that others should chain ourselves to our local fences. |
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Fri Oct-21-05 05:45 PM
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2. Cindy Sheehan is what a true hero looks like... |
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It is incredibly sad to know that we are about to see the 2000th sacrificed American.
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Fri Oct-21-05 05:47 PM
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5. And Nero is what a true chickenshit coward looks like... |
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...and he's dumb as a fencepost covered in mule piss. He could have defused Cindy by just meeting with her when she was down in her little tent in Crawford before all this mushroomed. Cindy Sheehan has almost singlehandedly revitalized the anti-war movement, and we have Nero to thank for making it all possible.
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Sat Oct-22-05 08:57 AM
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40. It's his arrogance that wouldn't allow him to meet with her. |
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The little worm is 98% arrogance. And it's arrogance that has gotten us into a whole heap of bush*t.
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Fri Oct-21-05 05:45 PM
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4. well....my first question is.... |
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what does she do if she has to go to the bathroom?
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Fri Oct-21-05 05:48 PM
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Fri Oct-21-05 06:09 PM
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Edited on Fri Oct-21-05 06:10 PM by dotcosm
(I know, Depends on Cindy)
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Fri Oct-21-05 05:50 PM
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8. She can do what I did years ago when Poppy wuz the preznit, piss on |
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Edited on Fri Oct-21-05 05:50 PM by karlrschneider
the fence. :D (But it was dark & I don't think there were snipers on the roof back then) :evilgrin:
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Sat Oct-22-05 08:46 AM
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37. I moved to DC in 1990 |
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And there have been snipers on the roof since at least then. To my knowledge, they don't shoot for pissing on the fence :)
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Fri Oct-21-05 05:50 PM
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9. They'll have her off that fence before she gets the key to the |
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lock in her pocket. In fact, they will probably arrest her before she gets to the fence.
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Fri Oct-21-05 05:48 PM
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6. What she just said was the most important thing she's EVER said.. |
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She is not couragous or brave... she is FEARLESS.. because her son was killed, there is nothing else than can do to her that could hurt her.
I love you Cindy!!!
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Fri Oct-21-05 05:54 PM
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10. The security will have her locked up before you canhear the click of the l |
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Edited on Fri Oct-21-05 05:55 PM by Ksec
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You cant do those things in Nazi Washington.
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Fri Oct-21-05 05:58 PM
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Cindy's a very determined and resourceful woman. She'll find a way. I've seen similar stunts pulled before.
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Fri Oct-21-05 06:15 PM
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13. Well, when Glorious Leader left Crawford |
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I sorta expected her to follow him to DC at some point and "vigil" him there.
But the vigil in Crawford was legal. This probably won't be. So I expect she will quickly be taken to jail. I almost wish she could find a place to set up Camp Casey in DC somewhere close to the White House.
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Fri Oct-21-05 06:21 PM
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14. Again, just throwin' the idea out there ... |
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... there must be jewelry makers/designers out there. How about a 'chain link' bracelet to show you support Cindy -- proceeds (after material expenses) could go to her legal defence fund.
If anyone is making, I'm buying!!!
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Fri Oct-21-05 06:36 PM
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there is a woman that has kept a anti-nuke vigil for the last 20 something years...right across the street from the WH. The law says you can't be arrested if you move so many feet a day and do not violate vagrancy laws.
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Fri Oct-21-05 06:41 PM
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18. Yeah, but, that's across the street. Cindy will be attached to the fence |
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and she's gotten herself arrested without the chain before. This is just to make it more difficult for them to arrest her. But arrest her they will.
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Fri Oct-21-05 06:58 PM
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19. I was actually responding to |
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Edited on Fri Oct-21-05 06:59 PM by Chan790
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"I almost wish she could find a place to set up Camp Casey in DC somewhere close to the White House."
Yeah, you can't chain yourself to the fence. I had a friend in college that got in trouble because he used to grab the bars and shout "let me in" repeatedly every time he walked by the WH. The Secret Service has no sense of theatrics.
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Fri Oct-21-05 09:43 PM
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28. I spoke with her in June... |
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...I commended her on her resiliency. She confided that she isn't there 24/7, but her message is. Others man the tent for her at times.
What was great was the amount of teenagers (on field trips, I believe) who took the time to ask her what she was doing, doesn't she get tired, etc. One kid asked why no one had made a movie about her yet. She replied that more people have seen her over the years walking by the White House than would ever have seen the movie...
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Fri Oct-21-05 08:42 PM
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23. People who are willing to commit civil disobedience |
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Edited on Fri Oct-21-05 08:44 PM by latebloomer
are the ones who lead movements, and "get things done." Look at Rosa Parks. Look at Martin Luther King. Look at Gandhi.
She DID grieve in private, for well over a year. Then she went out and started doing something about it. What are YOU doing?
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Fri Oct-21-05 08:33 PM
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21. She does not need to do this. |
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It's crossing a boundary in many people's minds when someone creates a spectacle of themselves, and to many people this will be a spectacle rather than honoring the dead. Ms. Sheehan is intelligent and articulate, and has brought immense pressure to bear against bush. Chaining herself to the fence will be viewed by many as a cheap gesture, because there is nothing uplifting about it.
Lighting 2,000 candles in front of the White House, or being able to gather 2,000 people to light one candle each, in the darkness, that would be an appropriately solemn tribute and also would lend to the occasion a dignified atmosphere and photos to touch the heart.
Please, Ms. Sheehan, do not chain yourself to the fence.
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Fri Oct-21-05 09:22 PM
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I wish more progressives would say this...I am as anti-war as the next person, but I don't think her behavior is persuasive to anyone.
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Sat Oct-22-05 08:53 AM
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War is not "dignified"... I'm sorry but I'm tired of the nice nice and tired of seeking approval of the nice nice people. You go Cindy... whatever it takes!
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Fri Oct-21-05 09:07 PM
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24. What does chaining herself to the WH fence have to do with her loss? |
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I think if she does this many people will think she's moved from being an inspiration to being a publicity seeker.
People are already against the Iraq War.
The wheels are coming off the Bush Machine and Cindy chaining herself to the fence won't help that proceed any further. It'll just offer a distraction. It's rude to get in the way of your enemies when they're self destructing.
Give inspirational speeches, hold a candlelit vigil, go back to the basics Mrs. Sheehan.
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Fri Oct-21-05 09:12 PM
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25. I am certain that Cindy's motives are sincere, and in theory I say "cool" |
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but I have to say I agree with you, all eyes are on the white house, criminal repukes in congress, and bush's free-falling poll numbers. The last thing we need is for Cindy to become the poster child for left wing lunacy to reunite bush's base. I have to say, maybe a good idea, but not good timing. Sorry, that's just the way i feel.
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Fri Oct-21-05 09:59 PM
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30. I have to say "thanks"... |
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...this is exactly what I was writing about about many weeks ago after the hijacked march in DC...and I was attacked as a troll and far worse. After everything Cindy has done, this would simply be reported as a publicity stunt, and used derisively against the anti-war movement (it is rather cliche).
Today, once one has made an impact with their statement/opinion/act of disobedience, it must be passed to others. THIS DOES NOT DENIGRATE CINDY! It is simply reality - the media, and the American audience, loves you for that symbolic 15 minutes. After that, they turn you into a clown, and your beliefs as well. Once the initial impact is over, everything the person does is over-analyzed and spun. Cindy was given a grace period, than coverage and analysis...now, she is in to the territory of "What have you done for me lately" by the MSM...and they will not be kind.
Of course, I'm about to be flamed by the supporters of St. Cindy, who forever fail to realize that I'm not denigrating her, but only realizing how this will play in Peoria. And Peoria votes. And the most important thing is taking control away from the Republican party...and that road goes through the many Peorias in the U.S.
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and you put it rather eloquently. Besides, I'm wearing my flame retardant bra, what could happen?:shrug:
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Fri Oct-21-05 10:11 PM
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32. I agree with you wholeheartedly. |
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I listened to Cindy the other morning on AAR, and she is wearing on me greatly. She used to have a message, but now the stunts are getting old. I wish she could get back to the message but I feel that she has lost it herself.
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Fri Oct-21-05 09:43 PM
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29. Cindy... please don't. Your message is pure... focus on that. n/t |
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What's the need for theatrics that distract. The political comments also get in the way as well.
I wish Cindy would resume her vigil as she originally had intended...demanding a meeting with the manchild so that he can answer her questions about why her son died. Persistance and the message is what drew many of us to Cindy's side, not the theatrics.
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gosh, what can I say about this one? (grimace)
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Fri Oct-21-05 10:13 PM
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34. I don't know of any significant movement that succeeded without some |
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Civil Disobedience. As for this being some sort of spectacle or gimmick, well, I think the Iraq War is the most disgusting spectacle I have ever seen in my life, and clearly our voices aren't being heard or heeded by marching and writing letters.
This movement needs to keep picking up the pace and Cindy is doing an amazing job at helping inspire activists and keep them motivated.
If I could get back to DC to get arrested at the White House again with Cindy I would, no question. Unfortunately I can't be a full-time activist, so for now I will just voice my support of this action, and any other non-violent civil disobedience aimed at bringing an end to this horrific war.
Cindy, you are doing a great job and I am with you in spirit!
:patriot:
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Sat Oct-22-05 08:44 AM
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Marching in the streets or lighting 2000 candles is lovely and inspiring. Unfortunately it seems as if the major result of this is to make us feel all warm inside. (Like wetting your pants in a dark suit--makes you feel all warm inside but nobody notices.)
You are right, any major movement REQUIRES many brave souls willing to put their asses out there and be arrested.
If the media starts to flame her, that means she is getting to them.
There should be many thousands of us willing to perform civil disobedience.
And thank you, meganmonkey, for being one of them!
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