Tweety just said it AGAIN!! (Joe Wilson being "sent" by Cheney)

[Mika]

Not only did Tweety say it but he stressed that JW repeatedly said it!

:argh:


More on that subject here,

Media repeated false GOP talking point on authorization for Wilson trip to Niger
http://mediamatters.org/items/200507140001

[rodeodance]

1. i think tweety has done a good job this week-except for this point.

[TahitiNut]

9. "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"

:eyes:

[Vincardog]

2. When they get a Lie stuck in their craw they just keep on coughing it up

[Jawja]

5. Yeah, sort of

like "Al Gore said he invented the internet."

:eyes:

[TahitiNut]

31. That's why it's called "Hairball"

A bunch of delusional inside-the-beltway alternative-realty addicts.

[eleny]

3. And that Wilson is a partisan Democrat - ARGH!

But wasn't Wilson a registered Republican when he was sent to Niger? I thought he changed affiliation when his wife was outed as a CIA agent. Set me straight on this one.

[Mika]

8. He was commended by GHW Bush

Wilson's political ties..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_C._Wilson#Political_ties

Joseph Wilson has had extensive ties to the Democratic Party throughout much of his time in Washington. Wilson was a supporter and donor to the Kerry/Edwards campaign for the presidency. In 2000, he donated to Vice President Gore’s campaign. In the mid-eighties, Wilson worked for Gore as a congressional staffer. He has made contributions to the campaigns of Democratic candidates such as Hillary Clinton and Ted Kennedy. He has in the recent past spoken to activist groups like Win Without War, which is a part of MoveOn.org.

[eleny]

11. Thanks Mika

I may have confused his party affiliation with Larry Johnson's. :hi:

[Gabi Hayes]

16. wikipedia is just about worthless

check it out.....Wilson contributed a GRAND to dumbo in 1999

http://www.newsmeat.com/washington_political_donations/Joe_Wilson.php

not to mention he was appointed by GHWB as envoy, or whatever to Saddam, and was the LAST US official to meet w/him before the 1991 invasion

but that's SO old

wikipedia is so lame so often that it's useless

note how they mention his Gore donation, but not the Bush

worthless

[Mika]

19. Thanks GH. You're right.

Although Wiki does mention that JW was the last US diplomat to meet with SH.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_C._Wilson#Foreign_service_career

[Gabi Hayes]

30. that bit on Wilson is typical of the right wing garbage that outweighs

other POVs on that site

there have been myriad other examples posted here of such ludicrous lack of evenhandedness

[Laura PourMeADrink]

4. dipshit. Sometimes he has flashes of brilliance and I think he

might be "OK" and then he goes back and shows was what an intellectually lazy poor journalist he is

[July]

7. He is a self-appointed pundit.

Not the same thing as a journalist.

[babylonsister]

13. Laura, you're the person that sent him that e-mail

disputing this via Media Matters, aren't you? So it's not even a question of what he's ignorant of. That makes it even worse.

[tularetom]

6. Do these fuckers ever research anything?

All they have to do is look through old meat the press interviews and see where Wilson repeatedly stated that Cheney did not send him to Niger. Oh well I guess if you depend on pizza face andrea mitchell to keep you up to date.....

[Justice Is Comin]

51. You just created a new appropriate euphamism

"meat the press." Most of them anyway.

[clydefrand]

10. I just sent him an email asking him to correct himself.

I also told him that a lie repeated is still just a lie. I suggest others email him with the facts. I sent him the link to media matters.

[halobeam]

12. EXACTLY my thoughts! Email him as often as he keeps lying.....

I hope everyone gets fed up enough to send their email too. I think it's worth it.

Here's a link for those who'd like to write him:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3303518

[Carolab]

14. I just did. We have GOT to stop the media from lying. n/t

[Disturbed]

15. Joe Wilson should demand to be on Nerf Ball to...

correct the lies being spewed.

[Carolab]

18. Yes, and as Amy Goodman pointed out LAST YEAR on Hardball

GOODMAN: But, as I just pointed out with Ambassador Joe Wilson, it wasn't only Joe Wilson. It was also the current ambassador to Niger. It was also a general who had investigated the same thing.

But, in every case—and, of course, the allegations of the links between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda, the links between 9/11 and Saddam Hussein, all of this was proven over and over again. I mean, what is interesting is who Bush is choosing right now to be his Cabinet is frightening. And it is all of the people who, despite the evidence, people like Stephen Hadley, who will now be the national security adviser. He was the one who allowed in the whole issue of the allegations of uranium and Saddam Hussein going for them in Niger, despite the warnings of George Tenet. He took the fall on that, and that—now he is being handsomely rewarded, because he is now national security adviser.

Condoleezza Rice as well.


http://www.democracynow.org/hardball-041124.shtml

[Gabi Hayes]

22. and Condi's excuse to why the 16 words, which were excised

from Dumbo's October speech, were allowed back in for the SOTU:

we forGOT!

seriously....there's a CLIP of her saying it

I almost stroked out when I saw that

wonder where that one is

[Gabi Hayes]

28. WE FORGOT!!!!!

this, from Tom Tomorrow's blog.

I SAW a clip of this, probably linked here

MR. RUSSERT: But when you say that no one in our circles, and it was maybe down in the bowels of the Intelligence Agency, a month after that appearance, you said this, “The CIA cleared the speech in its entirety.”
And then your top deputy, Stephen Hadley, on July 23, said this.
“Deputy National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley told reporters that he received two memos from the CIA in October that cast doubt on intelligence reports that Iraq had sough to buy uranium from Niger to use in developing nuclear weapons. Both memos were also sent to chief speechwriter Michael Gerson and one was sent to national security adviser, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, Hadley said.”
And George Tenet called Mr. Hadley directly and put—issued a warning on that information. Were you aware of any concerns by the CIA about this incident?

DR. RICE: First of all, the CIA did clear the speech in its entirety and George Tenet has said that. He’s also said that he believes that it should not have been cleared. And we apparently, with the—in October for the Cincinnati speech, not for the State of the Union, but the Cincinnati speech, George Tenet asked that this be taken out of the Cincinnati speech, the reference to yellow cake. It was taken out of the Cincinnati speech because whenever the director of Central Intelligence wants something out, it’s gone.

MR. RUSSERT: How’d it get back in?

DR. RICE: It’s not a matter of getting back in. It’s a matter, Tim, that three-plus months later, people didn’t remember that George Tenet had asked that it be taken out of the Cincinnati speech and then it was cleared by the agency. I didn’t remember. Steve Hadley didn’t remember. We are trying to put now in place methods so you don’t have to be dependent on people’s memories for something like that.

can you believe the media let her get AWAY with this?

can a more outrageous excuse for going to fucking WAR ever have been generated, to complete and utter silence by the handmaidens in the corporate media?

as per Mike Malloy: HOW I HATE HATE HATE them

[Carolab]

53. Unadulterated BS.

I read that there was a fight over it, in fact.

http://www.cs.umass.edu/~immerman/play/TheStovepipe.html

[Gabi Hayes]

17. he's gotten many many emails about that. Larry Johnson's

TPM Cafe entry has replies from people that have sent him as many as five or SIX corrections on that subject

the ONLY way this is going to be cleared up is if a GUEST corrects him

he will NOT come clean on this of his own accord

[Gabi Hayes]

20. He just said it AGAIN!!!! this time to that tobaccco stained liar, Charlie

Black

unbelievable!

he brought it up himself again.

he really should be horsewhipped and thrown into the Anacostia

[Mika]

24. Truly disgusting.

He deserves to be swinging from a gallows for this level of propaganda.

[VolcanoJen]

21. What the hell is Charlie Black going to do when the "gossip" turns into...

... indictments?

This pre-game they're running is a flop.

[eleny]

23. He's shifting his tune to wiggle out!

Now, he's saying that Cheney had been requesting info and that Cheney and Wilson didn't know what the other was doing.

What a load, Tweety! You can't save face with that twist. He must be getting a shitload of mail and taking this Rovian line dance slidy step.

I'm emailing Tweets and double dog daring him to have Wilson as a guest.

[Gabi Hayes]

39. hahahahahaaaaa! I have a double dog dare Tshirt from Xmas Story

with that guy's tongue on the flagpole

also, see my post number 37 on that Cheney not knowing BS story he's spinning

SO not true

[eleny]

42. Too bad jean Shepherd was a hawk

But he sure could tell a great story!

[Gabi Hayes]

44. wot wot WOTTTTT????

are you sure?

I never recall him sounding that way on any of his radio shows, anything I've read/heard about him

that bums my trip very heavily, man.

he was also a total Sox fan

and...ahem....I have one of THESE

http://www.redriderleglamps.com/

not the full sized one, which I may buy now, as it's only $115, down from almost $300 the last time I checked

[Gabi Hayes]

45. I'm expecting a Major Award any day now!

[eleny]

48. Yes, I'm sure

He was a hawk about Vietnam. I listened to him on the radio since I was in high school and he never made it clear in his story telling. But it was talked about at the time and I always hoped that he changed his mind over time. I love him still. No matter what, he's one of the great American story tellers. I love that his writing reads just like he spoke.

Btw, your "wots" are so funny! And oh - the lamp!!! I never even thought to look for one. My husband loves that movie. I'm going to send him the url!

[eleny]

25. He's now reading fresh RNC talking points on smearing Wilson!!!

[grannylib]

26. I sent several e-mails to him and other MSM liars last week on this very

point: Wilson NEVER said that. It's the lie being promoted by the desperate reThugs in a further effort to discredit Wilson.
Obviously, they (MSM) have some interest in continuing to promote this falsehood.

[eleny]

27. Amy Goodman coming up!

[VolcanoJen]

34. Who is this awful woman with the fake silicone lips?

She's on opposite Amy Goodman.

She's harping on about chatter and innuendo, ignoring Matthews when he insists that communications from Rove's lawyer is quite a bit heftier than chatter and innuendo.

This pre-game "it's all just gossip" plan is one of the worst things this crowd has ever thrown together. They're going to have to scrap this entire campaign the moment the indictments come out. What are they thinking??

And dear God... why did they choose this heinous harpie to represent their side?

[Gabi Hayes]

40. several earlier threads on just that segment...check a page back or so

nauseating, wasn't it?

I saw it twice

Melanie Morgan is just this much less devilspawn than Coulter

[writes2000]

29. To be fair, I think he's trying to clarify.

I saw him with the RNC guy and he basically shut that guy up by explaining that while Cheney didn't think he had anything to do with sending Wilson, it was indeed Cheney's inquiry that led the CIA to send Wilson.

I didn't feel that Matthews was trying to argue the Republicans' point here.

[eleny]

33. He's actually been arguing the Repub points for weeks

And with no clarifications. Not one until today.

[Gabi Hayes]

37. no. not correct. If you read what Wilson has said, EXACTLY, on this

subject, it shows that Matthews is merely repeating RW spin on this

there is NO WAY in the world that Cheney didn't know exactly what was happening WRT Wilson's trip

they didn't CARE who Wilson was when they sent him; they didn't care who he was when he made his report to the CIA, which was SURELY given to Cheney

they DID care about it in March of 03, a year after the trip

that was when Wilson publicly stated that the WH must have known that the Niger story was bogus

that's when Libby started trying to dig up dirt on him

it's all out there in lots of places

I'll dig up some stuff I just read less than an hour ago and link it, if you don't buy what I'm saying

[eleny]

43. Right

If the WH (Cheney) wanted to just have some inquiry "for show", they needed to micro managed it and have an insider go to Niger.

[Gabi Hayes]

46. and that's another thing that REALLY pisses me off.

at the time they sent Wilson, they thought he was ON THE BUS!

he'd never shown any public inclination against the war in 02. Indeed, hasn't he said he was undecided, at best, back then?

what morans in their right minds would send somebody there that they KNEW was against the war, if what they had in mind was to gin up the facts, to, uh, fix them, as it were?

they already had TWO reports saying BS to the story, and HAD to be looking for somebody who REALLY knew the lay of the land in Africa...an EXPERT...to give them at least one confirmatory report

they had to be counting on Wilson to back their side of things

right?

I haven't seen this mentioned before. did I just miss it, or what?

please let me know, as it really bugs me, and I'm too lazy to find out on my own...wouldn't know where to begin

[eleny]

50. I thought Wilson was a Repub at the time

I asked about this up-thread and got straightened out. Seems he was a Dem or supported and worked for Dem administration.

But he worked for GHWB, too, and wowed them standing up to Saddham. So I think you're right. I think they felt he was at least enough on their side and had the expertise. Irony and agony of the whole deal for The Cheney. Now they have to backtrack and try to reconstruct a new history for the uninformed.

[writes2000]

49. You are correct but here's where we part ways.

I think Matthews is just trying to cut to the point. He's shortchanging all of the details of what Wilson said to make a point.

Wilson said he was sent there because of Cheney. Cheney believed that was not true and went on the attack.

Fundamentally, Wilson was correct and Cheney was correct. Matthews' point was that neither one had all of the information.

Yes, it's an exaggeration to say that Wilson claimed that Cheney sent him. But the essence is that Wilson was saying that Cheney requested that the CIA send someone.

Wilson did nothing wrong. And Cheney was attempting to defend him from the claim that Wilson was actively lying, IMO.

[Gabi Hayes]

52. Wilson was correct, and Cheney (and apologists) are LYING

have you read Wilson's interview with John Nichols, where he discusses this in detail?

that's just one example of many that shows Cheney knew just what was what vis a vis the Wilson trip/Cheney knowledge...I give linx if I have to, but I've just about had it for today

let me know if you have some evidence of Cheney not knowing about Wilson, let me know, but I think it's just manufactured horse manure from the right, repeated into the ether, til it's "common knowledge", just like Gore and Love Canal

I don't want to get into this, cause I have a very short attention span, but the WHIGS knew EXACTLY what they were doing, every step of the way, once they realized that Wilson was off the ranch, and a big part of this entire fiasco is a result of their intent to muddy the waters about Wilson, to ramp up the smear campaign, using the Senate, Goss's CIA, pug ops, and MEDIA creeps like Matthews

Matthews is CLEARLY carrying their water on this, despite his deceptive feints into honest inquiry

do you know how many times he's brought up (just this week, on his show?) the LIE that Wilson claimed, EXPLICITLY, that Cheney sent him, NOT that he went as a result of Cheney's interest?

at least five, that I've seen, maybe more, cause I didn't see Monday's show, and have only seen snips of Tues-Thurs.

and, EVERY time he's had liars like Toensing (who called Wilson an IDIOT several times) on, he's let them spout the most outrageous calumnies, with nary a word (only exception was today, when Melanie Morgan claimed Plame wasn't an overt agent....even that was too obvious for him) of controversion

[cynatnite]

32. Melanie Morgan gives me a damn headache!

What a moran :eyes:

[Gabi Hayes]

47. moran? check this out

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5118890#top

[eleny]

35. WOW! He slapped down Morgan with the truth

Paint me blue and throw me on the barn floor. His producers must be reading the emails. One would hope.

[cynatnite]

36. I saw that...

Props to Tweety, but I still don't trust him.

[Gabi Hayes]

41. count how many lies before that one he let her get away with...

did she say ONE thing that WASN'T a lie?

[librechik]

38. GOOD GOD! TWEETY HAS THE LAST WORD!!!

and it is this:

"THE FACT IS VALERIE PLAME WAS AN UNDERCOVER AGENT"

!

so let's hear no more "people say she outed herself" from the likes of Morgan la Faux!