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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 06:48 PM
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Fitzgerald Knew About Meeting With Times Reporter Before Miller Testified
Edited on Fri Oct-21-05 06:49 PM by NNN0LHI
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBARAH33FE.html

Prosecutors Knew About Key Meeting With Times Reporter Before Miller Testified

WASHINGTON (AP) - The New York Times' Judith Miller belatedly gave prosecutors her notes of a key meeting in the CIA leak probe only after being shown White House records of it, and her boss declared Friday she appeared to have misled the newspaper about her role.

In a dramatic e-mail, Executive Editor Bill Keller wrote Times' employees he wished he'd more carefully interviewed Miller and had "missed what should have been significant alarm bells" that she had been the recipient of leaked information about the CIA officer at the heart of the case.

"Judy seems to have misled (Times Washington bureau chief) Phil Taubman about the extent of her involvement," Keller wrote in what he described as a lessons-learned e-mail. "This alone should have been enough to make me probe deeper."

Keller said he might have been more willing to compromise with Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald "if I had known the details of Judy's entanglement" with Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby.

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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 07:05 PM
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1. More evidence of a cover-up in which Judas was complicit.
What a lying whore--acting as though she "remembered" the notes and simply volunteered them. FITZ told her to produce them!
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 05:20 AM
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37. Jurist News has excellent sources including the NYT Keller's email . . .
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This site has excellent sources including (1) the actual NYT Executive Editor Bill Keller's email to NYT employees re Judith Miller, (2) the Department of Justice, Office of Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald's website hyperlink containing DoJ pertinent documents, and (3) more . . .


NYT editor (Bill Keller) says he regrets handling of CIA leak case, suggests Miller misled paper


Alexis Unkovic, Jurist News, Saturday, October 22, 2005, at 11:11 AM EDT

(JURIST News) New York Times Executive Editor Bill Keller (NYT profile) sent an e-mail (text) to staff members Friday, expressing regrets about his handling of Times reporter Judith Miller (JURIST archive) and her role in the CIA operative leak case (JURIST news archive). Keller said he missed "warning signals" about Miller's role in the case, and her "entanglement" with Vice President Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby (official profile), signals that might have lead him to seek compromises with Special Prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald (official profile; investigation website).

In the memo, Keller also criticized Miller directly, saying she "seems to have misled" the (New York) Times Washington bureau chief by not disclosing that she was one of several reporters that had been told Valerie Plame was a CIA operative. Miller, who is taking time off from the newspaper after her release from jail, disputed Keller's allegations in an interview. The New York Times has more.

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2005/10/nyt-editor-says-he-regrets-handling-of.php
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 07:08 PM
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2. That's the way great prosecutors do their jobs. They talk to those
down-stream to hook the big fish at the top.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 11:57 PM
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3. Kick. Has this been posted elsewhere today?
I can't understand the lack of response to it otherwise.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 12:40 AM
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4. We tried to tell him...
But he ignored us...
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 12:45 AM
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5. she's connected at the root
to Libby

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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 01:14 AM
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6. Here's Arianna's take on it
Edited on Sat Oct-22-05 01:15 AM by Carolab
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/assumptions-raised-by-the_b_9297.html

So here is the latest Bill Keller memo to his staff. And here are my take-aways from it:

I’m assuming he did this Keller-culpa under duress -- he didn’t really want to but he’s smart and knew he had to.

I’m assuming that his memo “slipped out” on Friday because he knows that on Sunday the paper’s public editor, Barney Calame, is going to write a devastating critique of the Times and he wanted to do some pre-emptive self-flagellation.

I’m assuming that Keller has not yet accepted that Judy Miller is only one part of the Times’ problem -- that he must also confront an institutional arrogance that extends beyond one rogue reporter.

I’m assuming that Judy Miller has written her last story for the New York Times.

I’m assuming Keller wishes he hadn’t been so quick to give a speech earlier this month blasting bloggers, the Wall Street Journal, and everyone but himself.

I’m assuming that neither this memo -- nor Calame’s critique -- will put this story to bed. Not by a long shot.

I’m assuming, as I’ve been saying for months, that this ends up going all the way to Sulzberger.
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writes2000 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 01:21 AM
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7. Love it! Go Arianna!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 05:58 PM
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31. Sulzberger?
Who's that?
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 10:53 PM
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35. Arthur Sulzberger, Chairman of the NYT. NYT is a family biz.
Edited on Sat Oct-22-05 10:57 PM by Carolab
Owned by the Ochs-Sulzbergers for four generations.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 01:27 AM
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8. Judy's Going To Be Indicted Right Along W/ Her Bestest Buds
Mark my words.
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gorgan Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 01:37 AM
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9. It's called
"IN YOUR FACE, BABY!!!!"

Fitzgerald nailed Judith Miller's lying ass to the floor. This article was one of the sweetest I've read in a long time. Although it's definitely in the "day late, dollar short" category for the NYT to (barely) start admitting that in Miller they basically had a whitehouse shill on staff, but in essence that's what this editor is saying in this 'lessons learned' email the article mentions. I'm loving it!
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 01:41 AM
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10. Please nominate so it gets to the greatest page. n/t
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 05:08 AM
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11. Will do
Love your sig line :hi:
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 05:24 AM
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12. NYT and most of the Corp. Media were complicit with the...
WMD fraud of the Neo Fascists. Now they want to distance themselves.
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hiabrill Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 06:11 AM
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13. He certianly hooked her.....
It seems like everybody is trying to distance them selves at this point....
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 05:59 PM
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32. Oh of course
They don't want to get into it either. Fitzgerald is truly a prosecuting bulldog. :loveya:
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:02 AM
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14. "Never ask a question unless you already know the answer" lawyers maxim
Edited on Sat Oct-22-05 07:04 AM by fishnfla
"Miss Run Amok" is in alot of trouble. Another NYTimes writer withering on the vine. A liar. A war monger. Freedom of speech and freedom of the press bought and sold like a 2 bit whore. The truth? Guttertrash.

She should be on the docket for treason
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 09:30 AM
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17. and what of her publisher, the guy who probably knew as much as she
and for political reasons, let her continue to spew pnac propaganda?

Her editor should have known, but practiced willful ignorance.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 11:03 AM
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23. Her editors are accomplices to treason
I emailed the NYTimes onbudsman this am saying as much. He should have a scathing piece in tomorrows paper.
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FraDon Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:36 AM
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15. "Misled" ... "used" ?! Not bloody likely.
Here follows a LTTE (letter to the editor), which I submitted to the NYT and local papers here in Vermont. It appeared this week locally; I'm still looking in the Times:

- - - - - -

Dear Editor,

I had the opportunity to attend a talk last Monday night (10/17/05) by Managing Editor of the New York Times, Jill Abramson, in Twilight Hall on the campus of Middlebury College, Vermont.

I found her remarks generally interesting, BUT in response to the critical question of how the Times "missed" the WMD story (and the treasonous deceit that launched this latest "honorable war"), ALL of her comments and justifications struck me as stunningly naive, self justifying and self-serving. I was embarrassed FOR her. I wanted to believe that she DIDN'T believe it either; that it spin, that it was crafted by the Times attorneys.

"We only knew what Judith Miller told us." Well THAT's preposterous on it's face; I thought, "You and your paper routinely check facts; you have at your ready a small army, many of the best of the best - yet, time and again, you grant her a pass? Preposterous.

I remain appalled that Judith Miller is still employed by the Times. I believe there has been more than adequate evidence (for years!) that whatever her competence and triumphs in her past, she is not even vaguely behaving like a average journalist, let alone a good one. She is behaving as a conspiring propagandist. She was NOT "used". She is aiding and abetting multiple abuses of power. These treasonous strategies have been crafted and ordered by, as yet hidden, 'higher-ups'. Please help flush them out of their hidden enclaves; it's a central duty of journalism.

"No one knew; nobody was saying differently; we all just assumed there were WMDs," Ms. Abramson pleaded. From all directions in the audience came names: Sy Hirsh, Scott Ritter, the UN Weapons Inspectors, bloggers (many). At this point our evening quickly ended, the outrage barely beginning to emerge.

While I personally believe "Plame-gate", Judith Miller, alleged "protection of sources" - significant skirmishes though they are - are merely deliberately calculated, distractionary tactics. I believe that what is NOT distractionary, but central to the case at hand, are these unrelenting, treasonous, impeachable abuses of power, in this multi-front assault on our democracy. This distraction has NOTHING to do with protecting justice-seeking whistle-blowers. Judith Miller is no Daniel Ellsburg.

We are told, "You can't handle the truth!"

To survive this latest coup, and its sour poisoning of our wells, and the wells of hope the world around, we will need nothing less than "the truth, the whole truth, and NOTHING but the truth".

p.s. Why was it, anyhow, that justice requires we swear to tell not one, not two, but all three? Think about it. Please, DO something about it.


-- "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle." - Italian Proverb
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 09:53 AM
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18. Hi FraDon!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 11:17 AM
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25. Excellent letter.......
well written with some fantastic points made. Keep up the good work and WELCOME to DU! :hi:
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 09:30 AM
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16. Fascinating
:D
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 09:58 AM
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19. And Miller knew about it before Fitz asked. Send her back to jail.
I think it's called 'withholding evidence'. Or plain old LYING.
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SillyGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 10:00 AM
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20. Why hasn't the NYT fired Miller by now? It seems to me that if
they hope to regain any credibility they would publicly cut Miller loose. The cutesy statement about her taking time off just doesn't cut it. I'm thinking Keller maybe needs to go as well since he admits he missed the "significant alarm bells" going off regarding Miss Run Amok.
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jmatthan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 10:27 AM
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21. Warlords don't fire their troops
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SillyGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 10:47 AM
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22. Why not, indeed. Great letter, jmattan! n/t
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jmatthan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 01:08 PM
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28. Because they eat them alive
eom
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 06:02 PM
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33. I agree
It's interesting how they haven't told publically she's fired. Or have they? :shrug:
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 11:09 AM
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24. The Times saying they were mislead........
is a bunch of horseshit. They knew, or should have known right from the start that she was not only a bush apologist, but an operative for the bushies as well. NO ONE writes articles like she did without being on the inside of the propaganda machine. Was ANYONE else in the U.S. writing anything CLOSE to Miller's official war propaganda pieces? NO!

Now they're trying to backtrack and say Judas Miller mislead them? Bullshit! The NYT has lost all credibility with me, they stood behind this sack of shit 100% KNOWING she was working for the administration.

Miller is as guilty as the rest of the bush cabal, indeed she is PART of the bush cabal and I sincerely hope she acquires MORE prison time because of it. The lying, skank whore has the blood of almost 2,000 soldiers on her smarmy hands as do the bushies. Fucking treasonous bastards, hang 'em high! :grr:
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 11:44 AM
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26. This was what I thought. Miller LIED to the US about it, acting like she
turned them over voluntarily, but I assumed that Fitz wanted her to testify, because he already knew about the June meeting and he was going to try to catch her in a perjury trap. This was the only scenerio that made sense.

Judy Miller must think that America is populated by suckers.

It is clear that Miller decided two years ago that she would lie to everyone including her bosses at the NYT in order to protect Scooter Dearest and the WHIGs. I really truly hope that Fitz indicts her and sends her to jail on a felony charge so that if she writes a book about the PLame Affair she can not make any money from it. I am afraid that faced with the possibility of a felony charge and the loss of a book deal, she will turn state's evidence and squeal at the very end.
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 11:52 AM
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27. They're all tainted: Keller, Abramson, the publisher excuses, excuses, exc
uses, just like Bush. Keller the killer-enabler and Abramson, simply the good-old-girl enabler should resign.
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FighttheFuture Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 05:50 PM
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29. Sounds like Bill Kellor is covering his, and his papers, ass. Too little,
too late.

First they muzzle all their opinion writers, the thing that really separates them from other papers, with "Times Select" and now this.

The NYT is sinking fast. Can't day I'll miss them now.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 05:54 PM
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30. bye judy!! your just another dead man walking now LOLOL
Edited on Sat Oct-22-05 05:54 PM by meow mix
im sure there room for you at fox though ROF :rofl:
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:54 PM
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34. Yeah, if I'd only known how much you knew Fitz!
What a dip Keller is! "Keller said he might have been more willing to compromise with Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald "if I had known the details of Judy's entanglement" with Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby."

Busy covering his own hinney I'd say.

Gyre
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EnfantTerrible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 12:11 AM
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36. So will they fire her?
How can they not? Or did I miss something...
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 04:51 PM
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38. Judy responds to Keller in an e-mail!
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 04:52 PM by Carolab
http://forums.nytimes.com/top/opinion/readersopinions/forums/thepubliceditor/publiceditorswebjournal/index.html

Bill, I wish you had spoken to me before accusing me of misleading Phil Taubman and of being entangled with Libby in your message to the staff.

Here is what I told Don Van Natta about what I remember telling Phil in the fall of 2003. I told him, as our story on Sunday reported, that I had discussed Wilson and his wife with government officials. But I also told him that I was unaware that there was a deliberate, concerted disinformation campaign to discredit Wilson, and that if there had been, I did not think I was a target of it. After all, Libby and I had talked about many things, as you well know, and he had placed no special emphasis on the Wilson matter.

A special prosecutor has been investigating the existence of such a campaign for two years. Since I could be witness at a future trial, I am reluctant to say more on this subject now.

But I certainly never meant to mislead Phil, nor did I mislead him.

As for your reference to my "entanglement" with Mr. Libby, I had no personal, social, or other relationship with him except as a source, one among many to whom I had pledged confidentiality as a reporter for The New York Times.

I know how important it is for the paper to protect its reputation, but I have my reputation to protect also.
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indie_voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 06:38 PM
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40. This quote is music to my ears!
Edited on Mon Oct-24-05 06:39 PM by indie_voter
Since I could be witness at a future trial, I am reluctant to say more on this subject now.
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buddha8 Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 06:27 PM
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39. a spy?
It is reaching but it might be interesting to see how many Israeli agents might be working at the Times and have successfully infiltrated it. Because of its large Jewish New York readership, coverage has always been slanted as pro-Israel. No one ofcourse wants to touch this in the corporate media for fear of being marginalized. Only Counterpunch.org is willing to step forward. Perhaps the most nefarious and secretive spy system in the world. They have been incredibly effective at infiltrating many levels of the State Department and in establishing the single most powerful lobby in Washington. Infiltrating the Times would be relatively easy.
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