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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 09:34 PM
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"This is a presidency that has almost collapsed...."

http://kutv.com/topstories/topstories_story_294215757.html

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Still, the White House maintains it's going about business as usual.

"I was in the Nixon White House during Watergate, and we pretended that we were all about business as usual. And we had a president who was talking to the portraits. It was not business as usual, but you have to say it," former presidential adviser David Gergen told CBS News' The Early Show.

"It will be a significant blow to a White House that's already in freefall politically," Gergen, a veteran of Republican and Democratic administrations, said of any possible indictments.

"This is a presidency that has almost collapsed. But if Karl Rove were indicted, that would be like George W. Bush losing his right arm at a time when he needs every limb he's got to climb out of the hole he's in and to rebuild his presidency."

The conclusion of prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's two-year investigation, expected within days, bears down on the White House amid other troubles.




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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 09:35 PM
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1. When you build something on a false foundation, collapse is inevitable.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 09:38 PM
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2. But, but...
Edited on Fri Oct-21-05 09:39 PM by Birthmark
...shouldn't they be creating "new realities" to dazzle us with?!
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 09:39 PM
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3. Very very true. You cannot continue to lie.
Iroically history will reflect the lies more than any "accomplishments", despite what Bush thinks history will show. (there were no accomplishments)
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 10:31 PM
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11. They can have these white supremacist girls sing for them >>>
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 09:40 PM
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4. I heard Gergen say that, and I agree with him.
It's a lesson that every politician should learn from the Corporate World!

You NEVER have only ONe source of supply, because if something happens to that source, you're both doomed!

The same thing applies to politicians! This admin. entrusted EVERYTHING to Rove! IF or when he goes down, the entire admin. goes down with him!
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 09:45 PM
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5. This Presidency was going nowhere but down. In a way the
Fitzgerald indictments could give it as well as us a fresh start.
(Fresh is not really the best word but it is all that comes to mind at the moment.)

There are alot of bad people running things and even a best case scenario won't remove most of them. But it might remove some, clear the air and shake people up enough to realize that this country is in serious trouble on almost every front.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 11:16 PM
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12. It could allow us to win both houses in 2006. Then there would
be lots of opportunities for improvements. In order to win, we would have to have a massive majority to overcome the crooked voting machine is several key states,i.e. Ohio, Florida. Others states like MS and GA have the machines but are solid red states anyway.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 09:45 PM
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6. Tell me how you
can rebuild on a Steaming Pile of Toxic Shit?
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 09:50 PM
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7. I don't disagree with you but for better or worse we are the only
microbes around to deal with it. What choice do we have?
Our chances of success - 20% or less?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 10:09 PM
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9. Sorry, I'm talking about
bush "rebuilding" his presidency(sic)..not us. We're gonna rebuild our nation..not that jackalope.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 09:53 PM
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8. The man knows what he's talking about. He's been there. It's worth a read.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 10:17 PM
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10. I hope things continue to go badly for Dubya & his pack of liars but --
-- I wish their comeuppance could be somehow separated from the fate of the nation as a whole. I have no formula for accomplishing that, so I will have to trust Fitzgerald's work as a prosecutor.

My guess is that Fitz easily discovered a trail of lies regarding the assault on Iraq, including the SOTU/Niger claim, and resulting in part in the exposure of Valerie Plame.

It's real hard to believe that Kindasleazy was unaware that the Niger/yellow cake claim was 1) in the SOTU speech and 2) that it was unfounded. I believe she knew both, probably before Wilson did, and I hope Fitzgerald has inquired into why the then-Head of National Security was unaware of these two points. She would have had a say-so on the SOTU contents before Dubya chirped it out on national tv.

In short, I hope Condi is dragged out of her office sometime next week and thrown into the slammer. If Fitz nails Scooter and Turd Blossom as well, so much the better. Nobody at my house is going to miss any of these sorry-ass people, now or ever.

David Gergen likely knows more than he's saying. He's more of a ward healer than a progressive, but then Slobodan Miloscowicz looks progressive next to most of the Bush administration.



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