Fitzgerald proceeds w/out interference--isn't that strange?

[linazelle]

It is to me.

Strange but comforting. Comforting because you can bet he is being protected by the very people who this investigation are centered on.

Message to BushCo. DON'T FUCK WITH THE C-I-A.

[texpatriot2004]

1. Loud and clear message but Chumpy's stupid and arrogant. n.t

[linazelle]

2. They are all stupidly arrogant...but the fact that the investigation

has proceeded to such devastating lengths without any leaks :wow: from Fitzgerald's side only proves to me that he is being protected--by angels no less. God Bless them.

[texpatriot2004]

7. I absolutely agree. Thank you angels. n.t

[FreedomAngel82]

9. Oh yes

I think so too. I think it's very very smart of him to keep it so tight. That way they couldn't know what he has and/or knows and off him.

[linazelle]

11. The thing is, he wouldn't be able to keep it "tight" if he wasn't being

protected. BushCo has bugged and thugged their enemies for years. It only makes sense that the only reason they aren't infiltrating Fitzgerald's camp is because they can't. They know that they'd better keep their hands off this one--Poppy, known to cozy up with the CIA, probably told them to stand down. Any false moves and they are busted. So now they will try to spin their way out via the media. But the legal proceedings will not be stopped.

[SammyWinstonJack]

3. Someone is protecting him, that much is obvious. And thank whomever it is

:bounce:

[David Dunham]

4. No. There's no current Deputy Attorney General, who'd be his boss.

Bush tried to appoint a lawyer from Tyco deputy ag, but that fell through.

[linazelle]

5. Could you explain a bit more? I'm not clear what you are saying.

Are you saying Fitzgerald is not protected?

[Emit]

6. The notion that the CIA, and perhaps others, are protecting Fitzgerald

is what caught my eye in this article:

excerpt:

In so many ways, Bush has mishandled his presidency but the one for which he is most not to be forgiven is the clumsiness of the way those around him have helped themselves to the spoils. Vice President Dick Cheney's greed, especially, has been palpable and has caused all sorts of obvious problems. Bush has not shared the spoils of war with the European elite which still stays deadly quiet about Iraq, waiting. Then there is Democratic Senator Jay Rockefeller - perhaps the Prince of that dynastic family - has had nothing good to say about Bush since 2003 when he abruptly reversed himself about "WMDs," declaring to Tim Russert, "I was wrong," and then moving into a fairly broad frontal attack which continues today. Rockefeller is an important bellwether.

The damage Bush has done to his natural base of support, his father, his social class is important because with the protection that base affords, no prosecutor, no matter how ambitious, could ever touch him. In fact, Fitzgerald never gets appointed in the first place. But he has, and that means Bush has much less protection that(sic) he should have, and it also means someone - something - is protecting Fitzgerald as well. Who or what? Probably no less than the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

http://www.freemarketnews.com/Analysis/134/2665/2005-10-20.asp?wid=134&nid=2665

[CoffeeCat]

8. What does this mean..."protecting Fitzgerald."?

I'm not sure I understand.

What does it mean that "someone - something - is protecting Fitzgerald as well. Who or what? Probably no less than the CIA".

From what are they protecting him? Is the article suggesting that Fitzgerald's life is in danger and that somehow the CIA is protecting him?

Or does this mean that someone is helping Fitzgerald's investigation run smoothly...with few barriers?

Thanks for any insight.

[linazelle]

12. Fitzgerald would absolutely be in danger if he weren't being

protected...by somebody.

[radwriter0555]

10. The PEOPLE in the CIA, the humans, the thinkers, all know the bush admin

is nefarious and corrupt.

Last year wonkette reported that the CIA and the FBI were not backing the bush admin, and were no longer going to liege to them as it were.

This is the result. The bush regime sold their own employees down the river and expected them to be corrupt and criminal too, and they were wrong.

[FreedomAngel82]

15. Exactly

Bush only cares about himself and the same with his whole regime. I do remember last year when Bush purged the CIA. Anyone who wasn't a "yes" person was fired so they're probably upset. Plus, on CNN's site they have an article from a guy from the CIA and he's pretty pissed off at the outing of Plame and Brewster Jennings.

[FreedomAngel82]

14. Wow

That explains a lot. And now there is a battle of CIA vs. Bush administration.

[walldude]

18. The freeps think the whole thing was a CIA setup from the beginning

Dumbasses...

[linazelle]

19. That's their "out"...But it's hypocritical of them really, I mean

they don't believe in conspiracies, right? It's only US "Lieberals" and "DUmmies" who believe in conspiracies.

[walldude]

24. The hypocrisy has been flying over there today

I actually saw a quote where they were "spitting nails" because they were going to get Rove and Libby for Perjury, that no underlying crime would stick so they have to get them for perjury... I'm actually enjoying watching them squirm :evilgrin:

[CoffeeCat]

22. Because this is what Rush Limbaugh is saying...

You should have heard Limbaugh today.

He said that the whole Plamegate thing was happening--because of grudges from people in the CIA and State Department--who hate Bush.

Limbaugh droned on and on about these CIA and State Dept people who used to have power, but no longer have it. Now, they are angry and they are exacting revenge on the Bush Administration because they no longer have power and get their way.

Rush said that many of these "disgruntled people" were appointed by Clinton, and they cannot stand that they are out of power now. So, they're attempting to re-gain it by attacking and going after BushCo for anything and everything.

Rush's blatherings were soooo incredibly pathetic. So typical. He didn't address the facts in the cases or the overwhelming evidence that these thugs have lied and obstructed justice. For God's sakes, there are emails which prove that Rove told Cooper. Libby has pretty much admitted that he was in on it. There is so much evidence--but Rush didn't touch on that.

He did what he always does. He ignores reality, while pushing a theory that has no basis in fact. He lies repeatedly and offers up a cockamamie theory as if it is God's word.

Expect to hear more of these ridiculous tales--because Freepers and similar types cannot think for themselves. They listen to Rush to find out what sound bytes to say--and they simply parrot what Rush says. It's so pathetic. Do these lemmings realize how stupid they sound when they do this?

All Rush has to do is bring in the bucket of toxic waste--and here come the idiots--more than willing to carry the bucket for him, "Oh Rush! Oh Rush! Whatever you say! Don't worry...we'll repeat anything you throw at us!"

[Dunvegan]

17. Thank you for posting that analysis, Emit...

...nails it dead, it does.

[DemReadingDU]

30. Thanks for sharing this article

very insightful about Bush, and relationship with his father.

[Athame]

13. I've wondered about that, too

The investigation has gone on for nearly two years. That seems an awfully long time to have escaped some mishap or other. Of course, he also prosecuted the Mafia, so he must know what he is doing and how to protect himself. Still...

It seems to me that the ones who manage to stay safe are the most vocal or public: Scott Ritter (though they tried to smear him), Joseph Wilson, Sybil Edmonds (sp?), Cindy Sheehan. Takes a hell of a lot of courage, though. May Fitzgerald's angels hover close. O8)

[FreedomAngel82]

16. I think it's amazing too

Maybe this is another reason why Fitzgerald has kept this case so incredibly tight. Nobody knows what he's doing. All that's going on is rumors, so if they kill him and he ends up dead there is going to be a lot of investigations of that and finger pointing. Either way they'd be doomed.

[Athame]

26. Let us hope so. n/t

[longship]

20. Not strange at all.

The way I understand it....

As special prosecutor he can act totally independently with the effective power of an Attorney General. In fact, he does not answer to anybody but the President who, by necessity, cannot interfere without putting himself in jeopardy for abuse of power and obstruction of justice.

That's why I have to laugh when I hear all the talk around here that Chimp can actually get around the investigation by pardoning. He can indeed try that, and he probably has the power to do so, but he'd bring down the roof on his head if he tried it.

Fitz's power is near absolute here. He undoubtedly has a troup of lawyers under him, and security.

[understandinglife]

21. Mr Fitzgerald is "the Attorney General" in this case ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5129309&mesg_id=5129309

Bush can fire him. But, other than that, he is in control of the investigation.

Bush can't stop the Grand Jury.


Peace.

[linazelle]

25. Didn't Bush sign away the special prosecutor law in '01 or '02?

I recall that he either slept or signed legislation effectively sunsetting the notion of special prosecutors. After Ken Starr, they were supposed to be done. So how did Fitzgerald get appointed?

[linazelle]

27. I found the answer to my own question

Bush let the Independent Counsel position sunset with Kenneth Starr. There is no such thing as an Independent Counsel any longer.

Found this: http://www.abanet.org/genpractice/lawyer/complete/tcl_v15_3/anderson.html

<snip>

During the hearings on what became the Ethics in Government Act of 1978, then-Senator Charles Mathias (D-MD) foresaw a controversy: "I am a little concerned with the concept of the Office of Special Prosecutor with a sort of inquisitorial role. This could have some backlash of a serious nature, this office could, over a period of time, acquire a connotation which could be as serious as the problems it is meant to cure, and the Inquisitor of the Special Prosecutor could get a disproportionate kind of influence." A strong proponent of the legislation, Senator Sam Ervin (D-NC) said the proposed legislation would remove politics from the administration of justice.

<snip>

In 1992, Republicans became incensed when an independent counsel issued a report that questioned the truthfulness of President Bush, just before the election he lost to President Clinton. The Republicans blocked the reauthorization of the law. Attorney General Janet Reno testified in 1993 before the House Judiciary Committee, arguing that the statute had been effective in preventing conflicts of interest in investigations of high-level executive branch officials. In 1994, 18 months after the Republicans blocked reauthorization, the law was reenacted. P.L. 103-270 was passed, renewing the Independent Counsel Act.

<snip>

Following the bill’s reenactment, the statute took center stage with the appointment of Kenneth W. Starr by a three-judge federal court panel as the Whitewater Independent Counsel. In his five-year stint as an Independent Counsel, Starr’s investigation expanded greatly, finally resulting in the filing of impeachment charges against President Clinton in the House of Representatives. During this entire period, Starr and the statute became the focus of many critics in the administration. Starr later testified before Congress that "the assaults took a toll. A duly authorized federal law-enforcement investigation came to be characterized as yet another political game." He concluded, "Law became politics by other means."

<snip>

So what is the fate of the Independent Counsel Act? At its February 1999 Midyear Meeting, the ABA House of Delegates, by a vote of 384-49, opposed the reauthorization of the Act. On March 10, 1999, ABA President Philip S. Anderson told the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Commercial and Administrative Law, "The public clearly believes that, rather than ensuring that all people are treated equally before the law, the statute has caused those subject to its purview to be treated in a far more hostile and unbalanced way." While recognizing the ABA’s earlier strong support for the enactment of the law, he did point out that in 1982, 1987, and 1993, the ABA had recommended extensive changes to the act, but despite some revision, the law was so seriously flawed that it should be allowed to die on June 30, 1999.

Testifying before the Senate Government Affairs Committee, Reno admitted a change of heart at the Justice Department: "We at the department have come to believe that the act’s goals have not been well served by the act itself, and that we could do better without a statute."

[longship]

28. "Independent prosecutor" law was allowed to sunset.

A special prosecutor is a different thing altogether.

[Rex]

23. No one can really touch Fitz, it would probably start a civil war.

This ain't the Nixon Era. America's a lot more violent now and the bad guys have a master plan. EVERYONE is watching the events unfold. Everyone understands what is going on now, even the morans know.

Bush Sr. was in charge of the CIA and has his claws in every branch. They purged a lot of the CIA, so who really knows what kind of shadow war is going on right now.

IMO they cannot touch Fitz, Wilson or Valerie. It would be WAY to obvious and start a panic.

[longship]

29. To say nothing of the fact...

The CIA has no sanction to act within the borders of the USA. That in itself, if observed, would be a very bad thing. One of the things that make the USA great is that the feds have little action in law inforcement. The feds only have the FBI which is supposed to be restrained by rules of engagement, or unless requested by local law enforcement.

My cousin was an FBI agent in DC. Due to the fact that almost every single car theft in DC inevitably is interstate (to VA or MD) the FBI has jurisdiction (sp?). So my cousin spent his career chasing down teen-aged thug car thiefs. He hated it.

[bklyncowgirl]

31. The Powers That Be have tired of the Chimp & his crew

Their naked greed and incompetence are threatening the foundations of big business and big business will not stand to be threatened. Banking, communications, manufacturing sectors of the economy are on shaky ground with massive deficits, a growing indebtedness to foreign countries and a never-ending war with spoils going only to a few hand picked companies like Halliburton have caused some people in Big Business to yank the Chimp's chain and yank it hard.

The mainstream media is no longer groveling. Fitzgerald is protected because big business wants him protected because it is now time to show the Leader of the Free World who is boss.