And now they know *huge grin*

[whatever4]

Raw Story link
Bush Sr's NSA set to attack Bush Jr Admin
http://www.rawstory.com/

United Press International
http://www.upi.com/SecurityTerrorism/view.php?StoryID=20051021-051052-6225r
Old Bush vs. new

WASHINGTON, Oct. 21 (UPI) -- The Bush administration is bracing for a powerful new attack by Brent Scowcroft, the respected national security adviser to the first President George Bush.

A Republican and a former Air Force general, Scowcroft is a leading member of the bipartisan foreign policy establishment, and his critique of both of the style and the substance of the Bush White House, is slated to appear in Monday's editions of the New Yorker magazine.

The article also contains some critical comments on the handling of U.S. foreign policy by the current President Bush from his father, whose 1989-1993 presidency is hailed for deft management of the end of the Cold War, German unification, the first Gulf war and the collapse of the Soviet Union.

The new attack comes hard on the heels of the denunciation of "the cabal around Cheney's office" by Col. Larry Wilkerson, the chief of staff to former Secretary of State Colin Powell in a widely reported speech to the New American Foundation in Washington this week. Wilkerson said the national security decision-making process was effectively "broken."

Please note the words "contains some critical comments on the handling of U.S. foreign policy by the current President Bush from his father"

Wow. They may not care about our survival, but they care about the survival of the republican party.

Does this mean we should all join the republican party? ugh lol

[fleabert]

1. daddy is pissed!

oh no, that is bad news for the world.

I am convinced, that because shrub had such a piece of work for a mother, and a father he knew he could never live up to, Bush both despises and worships his father. So criticism by daddy bush will destroy his ego, while enraging him at the same time.

all he ever wanted was to make his daddy happy, and to best him at the same time.

imho...

[KharmaTrain]

2. Hopefully Someone Will Foul A Ball Off Poppy On Tuesday

I doubt any Bush would have the stones to show their face inside Chicago city limits, yet to be at the ballpark for the World Series. Instead, here's hoping someone fouls off a pitch at the next game at Enron Field and hits both poppy and babs.

Scowcroft has bitched about junior for years. Not that it meant anything then...doesn't mean anything now.

[whatever4]

7. "doesn't mean anything now."

It may not, I can't really say either way. But I found the timing "slated to appear in Monday's editions of the New Yorker magazine" to be, if nothing else, good timing, and it's my humble opinion that criticism from the elder Bush will sway remaining conservatives against him.

I don't know, it got my attention, I'm very hopeful that it means something. Not so much with the fouls.

[KharmaTrain]

9. That Segment Left The Reservation A While Ago

Listen to the opposition to the invasion from people like Buchanan and Bow-tie boy Carlson. This faction...better known as the "East Coast establishment" has been having it out with the "Texas cowboys" for a while.

Remember, it was the elder Bush who claimed that outting a CIA agent was the most despicable type of treason. He's been awfully quiet about the Plame outting...and has even dismissed the probe on a Larry King show as being "minor". Think he's gonna turn on his kid now and back an old advisor? I don't think so.

Again, Scowcroft has voiced several criticisms of the Iraq invasion and how this regime all but ruined all the fine statescraft he and several others had woven in the area in the early 90's. It'd mean something if there were members of Poppy's inner circle in this regime...if anything, there's resentment.

[H2O Man]

10. "... doesn't mean anything now."

I will respectfully disagree. While you are correct in saying it doesn't mean anything to most people, it is indeed a clear signal to a select group. Though this is a group that DUers should not feel a desire to form any alliance with, we do well to be aware of them. I can assure you that the current administration is becoming more aware of them this month.

[KharmaTrain]

14. This Faction's Been Steamrolled For A While Now

If you're refering to what i posted above as the "East Coast" establishment. They were blow over long ago...a lot of it by Chenney and Rumsfeld...who all but trashed the approaches used by Scowcroft and Eagelburger and even Baker. It also all but repudiated the "Kissinger/Buckley" crowd who never signed onto the neo-con agenda. Most these people were shoved to the back of the Junior Bush bus...told to shut up and play a good soldier.

No need to make an alliance, IMHO...the divisions within the GOOP are now approaching a critical point that could fracture should there be the possible triple-threat power vacuum in the Executive and in the House and Senate leadership.

I think we're both very aware. I know you are, and I don't want to sound as dismissive as to point out that this faction was long neutralized and compromised and I see this group being ones who'd stay home next year...which is fine and well with me.

[H2O Man]

16. One has to be careful

who they step on, on their way up. They often encounter those same people on their way down. In my job and public life (so long ago!), I tried to treat everyone with dignity and respect. It was an investment in the future, Rove, Libby, and others are going to learn that the hard way!

[KharmaTrain]

17. They Still Think They're Supermen

A very wise observation you made.

May I add one as well...and that's the feeling these goons have always been able to get away with their dirty tricks. We can trace Rove's games back to Watergate and the '88 campaigns. DeLay made no bones about being "The Hammer"...someone you don't fuck with. This was considered "strength"...not the arrogance and ignorance it truly is.

These asshats think they can get away with anything, and I'll bet they still feel not only didn't they do anything wrong, but they're being victimized. We both know this is the only defense they have. They've used the victim technique effectively before. Just this time, there's a prosecutor and a jury of peers that will be the final arbitors of this spin...and call them on their games, once and for all.

There's never been any real concern about who these goons shit on. The Repugnican mindset is short-term...there never has been any real accountability or responsibility since it's never been required...one lie just glosses over the other one. Being on message is the mantra and those who aren't with the program are tossed aside while those who do drink the kool-aid get to play another day.

Honestly, the more I look at these people, the more I see a classic Rico case here.

Cheers...

[punpirate]

3. Well, Bush already trashed Poppy...

... with the "there's a higher Father that I seek wisdom from" remark.

Funny thing. Poopy was such an inarticulate, skulking, lying, old-money elitist freak that it wouldn't have taken much at all to best him at being president, and his boy still failed at it. Says a whole bunch about Junior and the way he was raised.

[TheDebbieDee]

6. "there's a higher Father that I seek wisdom from" .........

I've always thought he made the comment in an attempt to "suck up" to his fundy Christian base, instead of as a slap to his daddy.

[punpirate]

8. Works two ways...

... doncha think? :)

And, on edit, I should add that it was his response to a question asking if he'd consulted his father about the invasion of Iraq.

The psychology behind that was pretty obvious. He didn't ask for any advice (or didn't take any), and had to make a smartass remark about it which also puffed up his fundie base.

It Dubya's idea of being clever....

[SammyWinstonJack]

20. "It Dubya's idea of being clever..."

He's such an arrogant ass, he really thinks he's all that, AND a truck load of chips. :puke:

[mwb970]

5. "Piece of work"? You are too kind. (n/t)

[TallahasseeGrannie]

19. Set me straight

I jumped on this wagon recently and had no idea Mama Bush was so despised. I mean, she wears such nice pearls and all.

What qualifies her for "piece of work" status? Books I should read, maybe?

[fleabert]

23. didja catch the comment she made re: Katrina?

just a little peek into her personality.

[whatever4]

24. That's the one that did me in too

I have to admit, I've never paid as much attention to politics as I should, so I should have know better about Babs.

When I heard what she said about Katrina victims, it turned my stomach and trashed her record permanently for me. What was it she said, that some (a lot?) of the victims of the hurricane didn't have much to start with, so that they'd be "making out"? Wasn't that about it? Basically, while those people were walking over dead bodies, stuck in the Superdome and begging for rescue, this royal bitch of a woman said they would be "Making out pretty good" after the hurricane, with the relief efforts and having to move. "Make out pretty good" I'm almost positive that's what she said.

Showed her true colors for sure; she'd like our nation to be ONE color. Conveniently, it happens to be HER color. Her and Condi, they showed what they're made of, in this hurricane. Despicable.

[YDogg]

11. I imagine jr.'s parents were so damned proud when he was "elected" ...

... and now, if they have anything other than shit for brains, must wonder what the HELL has happened. The entire family will suffer by association (as well they ought), and they may see their family's reputation heading farther down the drain. gurgle gurgle gurge

[Carni]

15. You know actually the chimp could be sabotaging the Jebster

As unpopular as the chimp is NO ONE is going to want the Jebster in office after him.

Makes me wonder if that isn't part of the chimp's plan?

Maybe he's so whacked that his actions over the last five years have been more about his delusional screwed up psyche and upbringing (trumping his father and brother)than it is any cohesive plan for world domination?

I just read an article recently from somewhere containing complaints from the jebster about bush wanting to take power away from the states and give it to the feds in times of disastor. I was shocked that the Jebster would come out publicly against his brother's policies in print.

[pretzel4gore]

13. a humane interpretation...

somehow, considering the background of the entire ratwing, especially the pigmedia, any psycho explanation for the bushevik extravaganza in the 'dubia' era fails to consider jfk. or paul wellstone. or carnahan, malcolm x, martin luther king. or allen berg! the people on board KAL 007. The people on flight 587. The people of iraq. JFK junior(?)...the Katrina victims. Patrice Lumumba. Che Guevera. Casey Sheehan. Public broadcasting, maybe even the entire mass entertainment media. The people of vietnam, the countless nameless dead. Millions in prison for drugs, the only industry ALLOWED in the inner city. And as kurt vonnegut said 'and so it goes'... The destroying of the thing called the 'USA' has being going on along time; conning the people has been policy debated and questioned (by the master racists) but, in the end, made increasingly effective by using trickery (funded by the people themselves) and stealing the candy from the baby hahaha. All this has enriched a certain demographic and given them a base to justify further constrictions on freedom and human potential, and while seeing a family dramatics as a feature of what's happened to the world, the fact is the family in question are pigs, needing nothing but trial and putdown.

[xchrom]

4. aw that's too bad -- no, really it is

:rofl:

[Divernan]

12. Remember drunken W challenging Poppy to go "mano a mano"?

Various writers have referred to that incident during W's hard drinking years - I think it was after he was in a drunk driving incident with his younger brother in the car and Poppy gave him hell. So now W is hitting the bottle again, and Poppy is going to dis him in an article which will be quoted around the world?

There WILL be repercussions, and unfortunately I doubt they will be confined to a family dinner at Kennebunkport!

[Poiuyt]

21. This should make for some interesting Thanksgivings!

[leveymg]

18. Memo: Appointment of Post-G.W. Bush Transition Administration

From: Office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, The Pentagon
To: Herbert W. Bush (President, ex officio)
Date: June 1, 2004

Dear Mr. President:

This is to notify you that it is the unanimous decision of the Joint Chiefs to appoint you to head up the selection committee to identify suitable candidates for the National Transitional Administration that is scheduled to assume the powers normally assigned to the POTUS and OVP.

As agreed, those offices will be vacated by resignation of the incumbents no later than December 31, 2005.

Should the incumbents fail to live up to the departure agreement, this agreement will be void, and other arrangements for succession will be made by this body.

Please sign and return the attached contact by secure courier no later than EOBD, June 5th.

Congratulations on your important assignment.

Sincerely yours,



Gen. Richard B. Myers, USAF
Chairman
The Joint Chiefs of Staff

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. His dad is making critical comments?

I don't know if I believe that or not. The BFEE usually doesn't wash it's dirty laundry in public. The buck does stop at his son's feet, whether he wants to admit it or not. Cheney's second fiddle...or is suppose to be. ALL of this is on the idiot. He does call himself the prez. Now the Scowcroft coming attack is quite interesting! The wheels are finally coming off.

I guess my husband was right? He told me years ago (after the bastard stole the 2000 election) that those people would NOT get away with destroying our country because there's always a true hero to come forward and blow the whistle. There's ALWAYS someone within an administration who will stop them. Looks like he was right...go figure! That's a first!:evilgrin: Just kidding...he's a very smart man.;)

I am looking so forward to the IMPLOSION! :bounce::bounce::woohoo: