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mrfrapp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:00 AM
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Fisk: The real story behind those rumours...
Edited on Sat Oct-22-05 07:11 AM by mrfrapp
Many of you will remember the story from the New Mexican which described the respected journalist, Robert Fisk being refused entry to the US because his paper's were not in order. No doubt there were discussions here on DU about it. Well, it's just not true! Writing today in The Independent, Fisk sets the record straight.

Robert Fisk: The real story behind those rumours that the Americans banned me from the US

This is the story of the internet, a passport and a chocolate mousse. The first told lies, the second was useless and the third never eaten.

It started when I set off for Santa Fe to read from my new book on the Middle East. There was to be an interview with that iconic leftist radio host, Amy Goodman, and an awful lot of people booked to listen to Bob of Arabia. US immigration cheerfully ran my little red passport through their computer scanner. It's full of visas from pariah countries, but this didn't seem to trouble the lady from Homeland Security. What worried her was something different. "It doesn't scan," she said. No, I said nonchalantly.I was sent into a large room full of angry would-be visitors to the United States. A tall man scanned my irises and took my fingerprints. So that's that, I thought. Not so. Forty-five minutes later, another lady from Homeland Security - I still don't like that word "homeland", with its dodgy echo of the German "Heimat". I only needed 36 hours in the States, I said. To give a lecture without a fee. Hundreds of people would be present.

<snip>

"I'll see my supervisor to see if we can get you in," she cheerfully announced. Long live America, I breathed. Until she came back and told me her supervisor would not let me travel. The lads and lassies who are supposed to stop Osama bin Laden attacking America were now making sure I couldn't read from a book in Santa Fe.

<snip>

Then came the blow. One of the organisers had told the New Mexian - a newspaper I would now like to buy and close down - that the US authorities had refused me entry because my "papers were not in order." Which was true enough, up to a point. But within hours, the internet - a vile institution which I do not use - was awash with stories that the United States had banned my entry to America because of my critical articles about the Bush administration. This rubbish followed me around the world.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article321389.ece


(The online article is unfortunately pay to view, but I've transcribed the relevent paragraphs from the deadtree edition.)

So now we know. Fisk wasn't "banned" from the US at all, he was simply refused entry. And he was refused entry not because his papers were out of order but because his passport "didn't scan".

on edit: I missed a couple of (insignificant) words in the transcription.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:05 AM
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1. uh huh, right. sure, that's it. The man travels the world constantly but
his passport is faulty?

what a load of crap from DHS.

his "papers weren't in order" is just BS
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rooboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:09 AM
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3. Believe it or not, but the US turns away a LOT of people these days.
At least 2 famous Australians have recounted some very unpleasant encounters with US officials upon arrival. I think in both cases they were held in confinement for a number of hours before being put on the next plane out.

There are lots of people vowing to never go to America ever again because of this kind of behaviour.
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:35 AM
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12. Passengers in transit
at US airports (happened to a friend of a friend in unscheduled transit through Puerto Rico the other day) get this kind of hassle, too: they get questioned, photographed, scanned (and go into some kind of database I guess)...

I'm certainly not planning on heading that way any time soon.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:12 AM
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5. from the report above from Fisk, this seems to be the case (I can not
access the article to see if he says more).

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mrfrapp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:24 AM
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8. The rest of the article...
The rest of the article describes Fisk's irritation with people who ask him about the episode. It also details his adventures with the Passport Office in the UK and how difficult it is to take a photograph good enough for the Passport People to accept.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:08 AM
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2. as usual-"misinformation' travels fast but the follow-up (if any) is slow.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:10 AM
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4. I was thinking of the how DeLays lawyer told the judge that moveon.org
was selling nasty t-shirts of Tom, but move on said no. All day long I heard msnbc tell the story by the lawyer but not the correction.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:18 AM
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6. Does that mean if I vacationed in Europe and came back and my...
..passport won't scan I can ever go home again?

Don
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:23 AM
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7. So, to clarify my confusion, this is ALL that Fisk honestly thinks it is?
Passport not scanning? (No, I can't read the rest of the article, either) No other reason?
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mrfrapp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:28 AM
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9. That's what he says.
I can't tell if he's being honest or not but that's the only reason he gives.
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:29 AM
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10. Fisk actually confirms here that his 'papers' were rejected.
Edited on Sat Oct-22-05 07:32 AM by EuroObserver
What he's rejecting is any idea that 'political reasons' may have been behind this.

He clearly doesn't have the time or patience for the internet, "a vile institution which I do not use", where, indeed, a great deal of time and effort needs to be invested in order to even begin to separate grain from chaff.

Looks like I'll have to buy the deadtree Euro editon of the Independent today.

ed: "deadtree" edition. Thanks for that term, mrfrapp: I'm going to adopt it.
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mrfrapp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:38 AM
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13. That's right
Edited on Sat Oct-22-05 07:49 AM by mrfrapp
It's a matter of semantics. He says he wasn't "banned" but concedes that he was "refused entry". Also, his "papers" weren't out of order but the fact that his passport didn't scan suggests that they weren't entirely in order either. Moreover, saying that his "papers" were "out of order" is a political commentary that he rejects. He is also rejecting the idea that his refusal of entry was somehow orchestrated because of his (exceedingly) critical articles of the Bush administration.
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Karmakaze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:33 AM
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11. Well he lost me when he called the Internet a "vile institution"
His arse would be UNKNOWN if it wasn't for the Internet...
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mrfrapp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:46 AM
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14. Vile Institution vs. Robert Fisk
I was surprised at that comment too but I wouldn't hold it against him. Fisk is a very well respected and important journalist. The Internet may have broadened his exposure but people would still be reading his articles without it.

TBH, I'm a little disappointed that Fisk considers the Internet vile. I don't really understand why someone who's job it is to communicate would object to the most fantastic vehicle for communication yet seen. No, it's not perfect but as far as I can tell, no medium for communication is.
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 08:03 AM
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15. Yes, Fisk gets his stories firsthand on the ground. n/t
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