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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:04 PM
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Awww, Nazi child-hookers, how sweet...
http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=1231684&page=1

Oct. 20, 2005 — Thirteen-year-old twins Lamb and Lynx Gaede have one album out, another on the way, a music video, and lots of fans.

They may remind you another famous pair of singers, the Olsen Twins, and the girls say they like that. But unlike the Olsens, who built a media empire on their fun-loving, squeaky-clean image, Lamb and Lynx are cultivating a much darker personna. They are white nationalists and use their talents to preach a message of hate.



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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:08 PM
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1. Perhaps the republicans can book them for their next convention?
It would seem appropriate.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 07:20 AM
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95. Their publicist is on the case!
This is the third time in so many years that these little twinkies have gotten a run on DU. Great marketing! :think:
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:10 PM
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2. And worth every bit of the $20 bucks they asked for.
Okay, go ahead and delete me. See if I care.
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nookiemonster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:13 PM
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3. Real sweet. Looks like ma and pa are some real winners.
Edited on Sat Oct-22-05 04:13 PM by nookiemonster
snip

April home-schools the girls, teaching them her own unique perspective on everything from current to historical events. In addition, April's father surrounds the family with symbols of his beliefs — specifically the Nazi swastika. It appears on his belt buckle, on the side of his pick-up truck and he's even registered it as his cattle brand with the Bureau of Livestock Identification.

I don't want to digress, and I really don't want to jump on homeschoolers, because I know that some at DU practice this, but is it right for kids to have such limited social exposure? That's always been my opinion.

Don't flame. It's an opinion. Any input from homeschooling parents would be appreciated.


edited for spelling
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:17 PM
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5. I don't think public school would help these two
Their father registered a SWASTIKA as his cattle brand.

Their only hope is teen aged rebellion...
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:21 PM
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6. Correction: Grandfather. Daddy's looong gone.
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:47 PM
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115. I think it's impossible to write a law that tells people what ideas they
can and can't suggest to their children without infringing people's freedom of speech, religion and association, for starters. Enforcing such a law would also invite the "thought police" into all of our homes, as well as into schools, public and private. Scary, when you consider who runs the government at the moment.

My life experience also tells me that for every child who is indoctrinated with racism by her parents, there's another who picks it up at school.

I think the answer to stupid ideas is good ideas and the freedom to express them and teach them to our children.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:13 PM
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4. Nice Album Cover
Edited on Sat Oct-22-05 04:18 PM by MrSlayer


Interview here.
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/printer.php?id=4330

Strange things are afoot.





Edit: Had to add the Hitler smiley pic.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:24 PM
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9. But really, to pimp your kids as hate mongers?
This and the Dobson cult is the base of the right, how very ugly!!
The Dobson cult of child abuse (we know he thinks it proper to beat children and we know he is obsessed with the sexuality of toys, you do the math) mixed with the Nazi pimps, what a great base of people to have. There needs to be a new word for Republicans, maybe Criminazicons or something.

Ewwwwwwww!!!
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:27 PM
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10. I agree, it's sick to do this to your kids.
They are only parroting what they've been taught. This really should qualify as child abuse.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:28 PM
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13. Like all right wing Christians, there is nothing
But hate inside those families, but the fact that anyone would support this album makes me wonder just who this "anyone" is.
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 11:40 PM
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75. christians
i don't think they are christians. i had it on tape and watched it earlier. they have some other religion. don't remember what.
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 11:44 PM
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78. child abuse
my husband had the same reaction. said it was child abuse
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:16 AM
Response to Reply #10
83. The same freedom that allows their parents to do this allows me to raise
MY son as I see fit.

Evil, but necessary.
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:27 AM
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86. Whoa that album cover gives me the creeps
I guess it's knowing the type of music they do that does it, but there's just something about that cover that makes me really uneasy.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 07:30 AM
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96. if it was on a shelf in switzerland who would care...
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #4
108. Their favorite bands include Green Day and Allison Kraus
guess they don't think much about lyrics when they listen ...
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tamtam Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #108
118. Oh hell nooo
Green Day! You've got to be kidding me. Oh damn I need a drink.



:rofl:
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:21 PM
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7. Lala, check out their lame but frightening lyrics:
Sacrifice
(words and music by Lamb)


He fought so strong for our race. We're finally back in our place. It took his life, my dear son, and now it's over the war is won. Our Race was saved because the lives that were sacrificed: those men that died...

Sacrifice , they gave their lives. All those men who have died. Sacrifice, they gave their lives, all those men who have died.

Warrior poet, I sing his songs. Ian Stuart, with his voice so strong. Remember his words, as we sing along.

Rudolph Hess, man of Peace. He wouldn't give up and he wouldn't cease, to give his loyalty to our Cause. Remember him and give a pause.

Robert Matthews knew the Truth. He knew what he had to do. He set an example with Courage so bold. We'll never let that fire grow cold.

Dr Pierce, a man so wise, helped so many of us open our eyes, and see the future for what it could be: a future for our Race’s eternity.

Link to creepy website:
http://www.prussianblue.net/lyrics.htm#i%20will%20bleed%20for%20you
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:24 PM
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8. They weren't homeschooled last year:
"...They also failed to mention, but we will do so here, that both Lynx and Lamb earned the distinguished Principal’s List award for their superior grades last year. Additionally, Lynx was nominated “7th grade Princess,” and Lamb won the school “History” award. "

from above ref'd crapass website.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:28 PM
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12. lala, start digging. here's a photo from their new music video, called :
I will BLEED for you


I think the mom's pimping the brats...
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. How old is this kid?
I cannot dig as I am busy with news stuff, but if you dig it and write it, I will run it:)
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:32 PM
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17. 12!
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:32 PM
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19. re; digging it
I'll see what I can come up with.
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nookiemonster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #12
37. And I think you're right.
Case in point, although without the racist element.



What fucking planet do these parents come from?



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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:23 AM
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99. A very sick planet
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:27 PM
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11. Maybe someone should show them the way
To what dead children look like, piled naked on top of one another. These are sick kids and they will have a very hard life ahead of them. Twin Coulters, can you imagine the backlash?

What do we know of this family and who is funding this record and these mini-pop-nazi girls to become recording artists?

Who owns the label?
Who owns PR firm?
Who represents them?

I say we take a closer look. What do you guys think?
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:31 PM
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16. lala, getcherbutt over to their message board & take a lookie:
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 05:34 PM
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43. Saw this one over at that site



Not so cute any more IMHO...
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DemGirl7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 05:23 PM
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41. So this is what Mein Kampf looks like when put to song...
Edited on Sat Oct-22-05 05:24 PM by DemGirl7
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #7
58. They should start listening to more Propagandhi...
What exactly are the great historical accomplishments of "your" race that make you proud to be white?
Capitalism? Slavery? Genocide? Sitcoms? Guns? War? Pollution? Addiction? NAFTA? Thigh-Master?
This is your fucking white-history, my friend.
So why don't we start making a history worth being proud of and start fighting the real fucking enemy.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #58
71. Hey now
no other culture developed the thigh-master, show some respect.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 11:38 PM
Response to Reply #71
74. Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just quoting Propagandhi...
If you wanna defend the ThighMaster, take it up with Chris Hannah, haha.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 04:24 AM
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87. ROFL
:rofl:
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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:31 PM
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15. i caught that primetime these kids can't sing!
no foolin, their voices are flatter than an ironing board and they have zero charisma. bah.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:32 PM
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18. My response from another thread....
I recently saw the short video clip of the two cute young girls singing their racial hatred. There were a couple of threads on this at DU but didn't bother to read thru them because most of them said it was scary. And it is scary. While watching the clip it got me scared and depressed because of what the parent (the mom) of those young girls are teaching them about anybody that is not white in their young minds. These looked like normal looking kids that played video games and what not. I was really down as I watched this. I mean, it was like I was looking at the Olsen twins.

But my faith was restored later in the clip when the twins had packed a couple of boxes of relief supplies for hurricane Katrina victims. As they were being delivered, on the boxes it said "White people only", with swatikas and confederate flags attached to the boxes....the film crew tagged along to record the distribution of the supplies but the white people they wanted to give them to didn't want it. One white lady was very upset that they could do such a thing and made them leave. At the end of the day, no one wanted their supplies. It was very heartwarming to see that. I want to say thank you to the white Mississippians that declined the donations from those racists!
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hopein08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:33 PM
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20. Two things that caught my eye...
1. Kinda neat how their mother doesn't even live with their father anymore. I wonder what he thinks of his sweet little girls now? That would be interesting to hear.

2. Am I the only one who doesn't consider the Olsen Twins to be "singers"? I very well may be wrong but the last music I remember then making was when they were about 6 and it included songs about peanut butter & jelly and having a brother for sale. Eh, maybe I'm wrong.

Anyway, I'm not surprised that Bakersfield is too "not white" for the family.

Sheesh, it's just too darn bad that they weren't born 70 years ago or so...Hitler, Hess, and Goebbels could have put them to good use.

By the way, why Hess in particular among so many other good Nazis?

Somebody must have missed the idea of America being a "melting pot" with all their talk about not getting their race "muddy."
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #20
49. The father brands cattle with a swastika,
so he's probably not too upset.
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hopein08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #49
60. I think that's the twins mother's father, not the twins father n/t
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #60
62. You're right. It's the twins' grandfather (nt)
nt
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:35 PM
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21. The PIC I was searching for:
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #21
52. You just have to show pictures of those damn T-shirts...
...because there really are no words for them!
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #21
67. Oh, look, they've got boobies!
Clear as day their mother is pimping them. The suggestive sexuality, particularly the girl on the right, is disgusting for someone that age. Does the mother know what dirty white men think when they see a little woman/child in a provocative pose like this? Does the mother even care? I think the mother is grossly abusive.

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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:22 AM
Response to Reply #67
84. It's no different than what the "Olsen" parents have been doing for the
last five years.

Prepubescent girls sell. All (justified) judgement aside, it's a truth.

That's just the way it works.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 05:00 AM
Response to Reply #84
92. Well, the Hitler Smiley Face Shirts are a little different.

Adds a whole 'nother layer of sick to the picture.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 05:08 AM
Response to Reply #92
94. In essence, no, it's not.
They're both selling their twin daughters' sex appeal.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #94
112. Okay, fine, then- I'm not allowed to be bothered by the fact that these
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 03:49 PM by impeachdubya
kids are openly advocating fascism and celebrating the individual who killed 6 million of my people..

Sorry, my bad... thanks for "setting me straight"--- obviously you have the direct link to the ONLY important moral angle in this story.

You may want to read what I wrote, again.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #112
114. Geez, a little sensitive, are we?
I was just pointing out that whether the parents are selling albums to make money (Olsens) or white supremacy BS (Prussian Blue), they're both essentially doing EXACTLY the same thing...using their daughters' prebubescent sex appeal to further their ends. Whether they're dressed in waifish little outfits or Hitler T-shirts really makes no difference, IMO.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #114
119. And what I said was,
the shirts with the hitler smiley faces add a whole 'nother layer of sick.

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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #119
124. And what I said was,
in my opinion, whether they're wearing Hitler shirts or lacey little blouses makes no difference. I don't find the Hitler image nearly as disturbing as the exploitation.

Again, just my opinion.
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #21
70. WTF?
Speechless.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 04:52 AM
Response to Reply #21
91. Look for these girls to rebel in a few years
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 04:56 AM by depakid
and leave all this bullshit behind. At some point as they grow up, they'll press for their independence like most teenage girls and they'll find that the rest of the world isn't so accepting of their attitudes.

They'll want to fit in with their peers- and Neonazi mommy & daddy won't be able to control them anymore.

Just another version of the oldest story in the world.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:37 PM
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22. Ha ha! Their shit got yanked off ebay.
Their store was shut down. However, a very suspicious whiterider14 seems to be moving some of their material...

I'm all for free speech, but not hate speech.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:43 PM
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23. you just know one of them will get impregnated by a black man....
it's bound to happen. lol
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. Interracial porn starlets
First thing I thought of upon consideration of their certain commercial doom...
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:50 PM
Response to Reply #24
25. it's pretty obvious isn't it? Once they hit the rebellion years....
what a perfect way to piss off the racist mommy.
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SmileyBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:50 PM
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26. This scares the SHIT out of me.
And what REALLY scares the shit out of me is the thought that there might be a lot of people who are into this kind of shit.

As a Turk, I always keep on the lookout for any new news in the Neo-Nazi movement, cause chances are it may affect me.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:55 PM
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28. Dont be scared.
These people are to be pitied. Those little girls are being manipulated by some freak of hatred.. Im amazed that they havent been taken from their parents. Or whoever is raising them.

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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:41 PM
Response to Reply #26
50. Merhaba smileyboy
nice to see more Turks overhere.:hi:

and dont worry us Turks are survivors.

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SmileyBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #50
53. Tessekur Ederim.
Thanks for the support. I get really scared by this kind of thing. I know there's almost no chance in hell these racist bastards could ever take over this country, but if by the miniscule off chance they ever do, Me and you and my family and your family would be the first ones they'd hang.

It pisses me off.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:53 PM
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27. "We're proud of being white, we want to keep being white," ...
said Lynx.

:puke:

They'll both be living in an Alabama trailer park, married to a couple of inbred brothers, by the time they're 15.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. Keep being white?
So most folks change colors as they age?
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. They're just stupid little "country" girls...
getting too much publicity.
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #29
35. That, or they're afraid they'll turn into chameleons.
eom.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 05:32 PM
Response to Reply #29
42. Only Michael Jackson does
well, as far as I know... :think:
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #29
63. Apparently, they think color is contagious.
Better not sit next to me on the bus, now that people like me don't have to sit in the back. :eyes:
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:09 AM
Response to Reply #29
98. People w/ Hashimoto's Disease do change color. Otherwise, no.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 04:58 PM
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30. Poor kids. Hope they turn sane someday.
Raising a child to be a racist is child abuse. Once they tear free of their lunatic mama they might have a chance...
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 05:03 PM
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31. Although I am hesitant to get in the home schooling wars, this
is one of the things that I have against it. When a parent says to me that they are home schooling their kids so that they are raised with their values, it just translates to me that they don't want their kids exposed to ideas they don't like.

If those little girls had gone to public school, they would have been exposed to different races and cultures in their classmates, not to mention real history, not just mommie's version of it. (In the Dateline story, they showed mommie teaching history telling them that the Roman empire failed because of all the races intermingling in it bringing down, I guess, the gene pool.) Maybe then they would question what racist mommie and grandpa were teaching them.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 05:06 PM
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34. "If those little girls had gone to public school..."
They'd have been beaten up several times by now, with any luck. :evilgrin:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 05:47 PM
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44. Probably, but they would have gotten a hard knocks, life lesson too.
:-)
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:21 PM
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46. ROFL
Edited on Sat Oct-22-05 07:23 PM by mzteris
You obviously haven't spent much time in public school recently.

Racism is alive and well in many PS's.

There there are the racists who opt out of PS by sending their children to PRIVATE (ELITE WHITE) schools, or to "Christian" schools - because they don't want their kids going to school with "those kind".

HS'ing is not necessarily the last bastion of white supremacy nor rw fundies. (Though they exist in the hs'ing community.)

But for goodness sake - please stop stereotyping! There are many LIBERAL homeschoolers out there (we even have a group on DU) and the numbers are growing everyday. Most Liberal hs'ers are doing it primarily for educational reasons.

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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 08:04 PM
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54. My niece used to home school...
She now has a job which keeps her from doing it, but her reason was value-related also. She was shocked at the conservatism overtaking school textbooks, and the Intelligent Design lunatics. She lives in a very Republican area, so she wanted to give her kids a more liberal view of life, and teach about more progressive ideas.

She did not want her children subjected to the moral majority crowd, or the dumbing down of education. Even though my nephews are now in public schools, they have at least had the benefit of learning critical thinking, and are quite liberal in their beliefs.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 08:09 PM
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55. I know all those things, but don't you think having to
go to school everyday to face racism and other prejudices, either your own or those directed at you, makes you more informed and aware? I said I hesitated to get into the homeschooling wars because I know the homeschooled cross a spectrum of life beliefs. I don't think you even have to go to public school to get exposed to life experiences at that childhood level. Even in private school, at least you are meeting kids that normally you wouldn't from you parents handpicked play dates.

I am so happy home schooling was against the law when I was growing up. I got to meet a lot of different types of people, mostly white, because of it. I got my share of being beat up and actually learned to defend myself because of it, a skill that came in handy in my adult years. I am half white American and half Hispanic. I was never really accepted by either group as one of them, but I was accepted on a certain level and I was able to actually inform both sides about the other side. I spoke both languages so it was a great experience for me when I was growing up.

I shudder to think of ever having been home schooled. I know my horizons would have been much more limited and oh god, I didn't want to spend all that time with my parents and their social group. If I had ever had kids, believe me they would have gone to school and if there was any homeschooling it would have been a certain amount of tutoring to make up for any deficiencies in either the schools they went to or any deficiencies my kids had in learning.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 04:33 AM
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88. Schools are much different today
than when we were kids. Some very liberal parents consider it "abuse" to send kids to public schools where they live.

And it might be. I pulled my kids out of a very racist, fundy system and at least three of those four I homeschooled are freaking raging liberals.

The fourth is more moderate, but he certainly is not racist or fundy. He might be had I left him in the system where we lived.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 12:13 AM
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80. I agree
It's one thing to homeschool your kids because you really love teaching or because the schools in your area are atrocious, but to do it in order to inculcate them with your values exclusively...creepy...:scared:

Let's face it, if your values are valid then they'll withstand challenges from without.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 11:37 AM
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109. They weren't homeschooled last year
The homeschooling is apparently a new thing. From a statement on their website:

"...They also failed to mention, but we will do so here, that both Lynx and Lamb earned the distinguished Principal’s List award for their superior grades last year. Additionally, Lynx was nominated “7th grade Princess,” and Lamb won the school “History” award. "


(see elehhhhna post #8)
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 05:05 PM
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32. this is horrific child abuse
there's other words for what it means to teach children to hate
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 05:07 PM
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36. Producing ignorant kids isn't against the law.
Encouraging them to hurt someone would be...
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 05:11 PM
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38. no, it is more than that
Edited on Sat Oct-22-05 05:13 PM by Skittles
their minds have been POISONED; while I realize technically no laws have been broken, it is indeed child abuse
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 05:15 PM
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39. Once they turn 18, they may actually go somewhere and....
learn something about the world. Something beyond the confines of their trailer.

Let's hope it helps. :)
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 05:18 PM
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40. yes
childhood lessons are deeply ingrained but they can be overcome......there is hope for these girls
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Vilsk Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 08:22 AM
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97. Agree
The kids are 13 years old.
They are being put up to this.
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:50 PM
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116. A lot of people teach their kids the same think - they're just quieter
about it.x(
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 06:10 PM
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45. Why they are called "Prussian Blue"
from an interview with them:

Please tell me the significance of the name Prussian Blue.

Part of our heritage is Prussian German. Also our eyes are blue, and Prussian Blue is just a really pretty color. There is also the discussion of the lack of "Prussian Blue" coloring (Zyklon B residue) in the so-called gas chambers in the concentration camps. We think it might make people question some of the inaccuracies of the "Holocaust" myth.

http://www.viceland.com/issues/v11n10/htdocs/hello.php

The BBC did a documentary about them (and Tom Metzger) about 2 years ago called "Louis & the Nazis" in which the mother didn't mention anything about their eyes being blue, etc. She - and she is insane - just went for the Holocaust bullshit.
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:44 PM
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51. Saw the documentary
pretty scary. Tom Metzger is a dangerous and deranged person.

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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 08:39 PM
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56. Louis Theroux revists the girls in his new book
called "The Call of the Weird", which otherwise consists of reuinions from people interviewed in his 'Weird Weekends' series.

And yes, Metzger is a psycho.
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 09:33 PM
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59. One thing about the documentery
I remember is that one nazi asked Theroux whether he was Jewish and Theroux did not answer it. I was afraid that they were going to hit him, anyway it was frightening.

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tamtam Donating Member (450 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:09 PM
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117. Primetime needs to get their facts straight
Someone on another board told me they saw the BBC documentary also. In the BBC documentary, the step-father did not want to be interviewed because he was a teacher in a multi cultural area and he didn't want to lose his job. I'm not for sure the step father is a white supremacist because I haven't seen the BBC interview and from what I heard he refused to be interviewed. His wife is proud of her beliefs so I wonder what her husband has to hide. Also, it's not like the mother suddenly became a white supremacist. She grew up that way and from what I can see she has always been an hateful witch.

Now I was told this on another message board and I have not seen the BBC documentary so I'm not sure. I just find it interesting that Primetime skipped over that little tidbit. Primetime didn't ask about the father or step father all they said was the biological father was no longer in the picture.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 07:33 PM
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47. i ventured over to the Resistance Records site to hear their single...
Edited on Sat Oct-22-05 07:47 PM by npincus
it is so bad it sounds like they are playing guitar with their feet and singing out of their asses... they are as untalented as they are full of hate and stupidity. Now I have to run my anti-virus software and give my PC and monitor a bubble bath.

If you want to get a taste of "prussian blue" (it is a "tribute to their ancestery", I read somewhere that they used to be named after a gas used to kill Jews in the Holocaust- Zyklon B, perhaps?- but changed it to a "friendlier" name) here's a link:

http://resistance.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1373&osCsid=771bcbfa900f36b01831913887e174fc

Songs on their "album":

1. Road to Valhalla
2. Victory Day
3. Weiss Weiss Weiss
4. Our Vinland
5. Sacrifice
6. Panzerlied
7. The Snow Fell
8. Gone with the Breeze
9. Aryan Man Awake
10. I will bleed for You
11. Hate for Hate: Lamb near the Lane
12. Victory
13. Sisters




Disgusting...
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 09:46 PM
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61. snide comment- they can't even get the costumes correct
looks like someone used a bad Renn Faire pattern for the bodices...

Being a costumer and owner of both Renaissance and "modern" German ethnic costume (made my own Dirndl dress), 'da dun' got it wrong. I can out-blond both, and play Bach on the organ. :evilgrin:
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 10:03 PM
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64. I nominated them for the Top 10:
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 10:41 PM
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65. They will be a flash in the pan.
In 10 years they will probably be in jail someplace for stomping a homosexual or a homeless alky to death.

They look so squeaky clean. Shame really. I was reading about a 'new' breed of youth, I forget what they call themselves but they are fanatical about no smoking, drinking, sex. I mean these people are nuts for 'morality'.

I guess nobody ever told them about empathy cause they try to kill dopers and drunks, if they can do it cleanly and get away. A big problem in Vegas I think is where I heard they operated.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 10:45 PM
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66. "Straightedgers" have been around for a long time.
They are militant anti-everything fun jackasses. I had to beat one of them senseless for stealing a joint off of me at a concert back in 88.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 11:09 PM
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68. Straightedgers aren't so bad...
Ever see the documentary Another State of Mind? Ian MacKaye of Minor Threat (one of the original Straightedgers) was interviewed on it, and he was pretty damn good.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 11:19 PM
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69. My experiences with them have been nothing but negative.
But of course I was a pot smoking, hard drinking, drug using, sexual deviant. I hated them and their message. They would try to invade our concerts and preach their bullshit in a militant manner and they would always have to be carried out. If they knew their place or were "live and let live" about it I couldn't care less. But when someone gets in your face you have to put them down one way or the other. I hate straightedgers.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 11:41 PM
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76. Duly noted
I never got properly drunk until I was 38. That probably affected how I perceived Straightedgers - although if I saw any of them doing that to you guys, I'd probably have helped you show them the way out.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 11:20 PM
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122. That is a very good documentary...
and even though I am a lifelong hedonist, I have no problem with many straightedgers. If they want to eschew life's pleasures..."Good! More for me!" (Thank you to Redd Foxx)
The group I found disturbing was the "punk rock" christofascists. Even the "satanic" black metal boys were innocuous compared to those aggressive religious fanatics. Judging from the comments of most of the "satanists", I imagine that in a few years time many of them will cut their hair, ditch the wardrobe, and become Libertarians.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 12:06 AM
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79. You too, eh?
I had to kick the shit out of one the same year, for the same reason. Whatta world...
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 05:04 AM
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93. For some strange reason
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 05:05 AM by impeachdubya
I never ran into that situation at Dead shows. :hippie:
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:26 AM
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85. Wooohoo! If you're ever in Cleveland, look me up.
My joint-smoking days are over for the next 10 years, 6 months and 7 days (when I'm eligible to retire), but you sound like a great person to grab a drink with.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 11:34 PM
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72. I was nauseated when I read this article.
Just nauseated. And they are talking about moving to the Northwest? Gack!!! Well, I know I won't have to worry about them in my immediate neighborhood, which consists of whites, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Indians, etc. About the only thing pure white about the Northwest is the tanless skin of caucasions at the end of winter!
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 01:00 AM
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82. Hayden Lake has some vacancies
They finally ran those "Aryan Nations" pieces of shit out of there a couple years ago. But they let MarKKK Fuhrman move to SandPoint, so apparently racists are still welcome in the Idaho panhandle.

(No offense to Idaho DU'ers. I think we have one or two)
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 11:35 PM
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73. I reserve most of my anger at the parents
for this kind of shit.

These girls proably didnt have a chance at a normal life.

But now, they are what 12? 13? in few years they be 18 and 100% responsible for themselves and their beliefs and actions.

yet. If they had a normal upbringing they could have led a relatively normal life.

I see hard times ahead for these girls no matter what realizations they eventually come to.

This is so fuked up beyond belief.
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MarsThe Cat Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 11:42 PM
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77. Hookers?
where do you get that?
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:26 AM
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100. The way the parents are selling them, does it not appear
To be then what they are? Kind of like the little Ramsey girl, who was dressed like a woman, with make up and did little cha cha dances... who is it they are appealing to and what are they selling? The parents are using the "child-hooker" PR stunt to sell their product, their kids.
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MarsThe Cat Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:32 AM
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102. um...no. at least not from what i saw on primetime on Thursday.
i don't see "hookers" AT ALL.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:36 AM
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103. Wow, okay... well art is subjective, but from the photos and pouting
Poses and short skirts, I see a whole other scary thing, aside from the hate, and their age, and that is how their parent's are exploiting them.
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MarsThe Cat Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:39 AM
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105. i guess people see what they're tuned into-
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 10:40 AM by MarsThe Cat
i don't generally have hookers on the brain, or look for the lascivious side of everything...apparently some people do.

i should've been able to tell from your screen name.

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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:06 PM
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110. my screen name?
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MarsThe Cat Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:21 PM
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111. combined with the avatar...
it seems evocative of a (19)60's stripper in some dingy bar down on Ogden Ave.

but that's just me...
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:39 PM
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120. LMAO
My screen name is LA for Larisa and RAWRAW for Raw Story. The icon is a flapper in profile.

But hey, stripper is fine too:))
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 11:43 PM
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123. oh delicious irony: i guess people see what they're tuned to
:rofl:
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 12:55 AM
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81. wow-- I just spent the last half hour following links from there...
...even listened to some songs. As musicians, they suck. Badly. But I had no idea how pervasive the white nazi stuff was. Wow.
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 04:34 AM
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89. I strongly object to your use of the word 'hookers'
They are deluded and racist, but no 12 year old deserves to be called a hooker.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:31 AM
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101. You miss the point and I will not argue
language, but simply explain that there is a marketing tool used to sell sex no matter what the product is... the younger the model, the better for some... consider that infamous Kate Moss billboard where she looked about 12 or so and was naked... this "hooker" PR strategy is geared toward a particular audience, but has become acceptable in our culture... the "child-hooker" PR stunt is also acceptable, consider how old most models are for example and consider why the term Lolita is used when describing anything and everything that involves 1). sex or sexuality and 2). female child...

One could hardly argue that Amy Fischer was ever a Lolita, but the concept is so allowed and ingrained, that it is used for everything.

They are being sold as a product, a "child-hooker" product, not to deliver sex but to deliver the fantasy of sex. Is that sick, yes, but it does not change the ugly reality in which our society sells things, including people, as products.
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ariesgem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 04:39 AM
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90. "They are white nationalists and use their ' talents'
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 05:05 AM by ariesgem
to preach a message of hate" - WTF!!! I just heard a clip of one of their songs. WHAT TALENT???? As "musicians/singers/song writers" they're HORRIBLE! They didn't have enough talent to be considered newsworthy. Do they have a major record deal or are they playing to sell-out crowds? I'm pissed at ABC for giving these little nazi brats any airtime.

Link to their sample clip: http://resistance.com/audio/victory.mp3
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:36 AM
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104. It's not really the kids' fault. They are home schooled.
Their parents raised them this way on purpose.
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:39 AM
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106. holy crap
tune the guitar!
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:43 AM
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107. This is pure and simple child abuse.
These poor kids will probably be SHOCKED when they get old enough to realize their parents are NAZIS and used them for their sick propaganda.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 03:48 PM
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113. Awww...maybe they could guest-host for Rush Limbaugh
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 04:07 PM by Arkana
or speak at the RNC next time.

EDIT: Something Awful did a piece on these two budding racists!

http://www.somethingawful.com/
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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:50 PM
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121. Actually, this is a sad story.
These kids have been raised on hate, home schooled in hate, isolated from the world. They are constantly given positive reinforcement from the culture of hate. Are they to blame?

I probably wouldn't be so forgiving if they were 300 lb skin head ogres, however, the real villains in this story are the parents.

You need a license to own a dog, but any asshole can be a parent.
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