IRAQI poll; "GET THE HELL OUT" sums it up.

[LynnTheDem]

Poll shows Iraqis back attacks on UK, US forces

LONDON (Reuters) - Forty-five percent of Iraqis believe attacks on U.S. and British troops are justified, according to a secret poll said to have been commissioned by British defense leaders and cited by The Sunday Telegraph.

Less than 1 percent of those polled believed that the forces were responsible for any improvement in security, according to poll figures.

Eighty-two percent of those polled said they were "strongly opposed" to the presence of the troops.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-10-22T214904Z_01_SCH278249_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-BRITAIN.xml

STAY THE COURSE! FUCK what the IRAQIS want! :sarcasm:

Edit to add:

Millions of Iraqis believe that suicide attacks against British troops are justified, a secret military poll commissioned by senior officers has revealed.

The poll, undertaken for the Ministry of Defence and seen by The Sunday Telegraph, shows that up to 65 per cent of Iraqi citizens support attacks and fewer than one per cent think Allied military involvement is helping to improve security in their country.

It demonstrates for the first time the true strength of anti-Western feeling in Iraq after more than two and a half years of bloody occupation.

The nationwide survey also suggests that the coalition has lost the battle to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people, which Tony Blair and George W Bush believed was fundamental to creating a safe and secure country.
http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/10/23/wirq23.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/10/23/ixportaltop.html

[SammyBlue]

1. Response from the Bush Hunta

"We don't run our business by polls. We base it on sound policy, not 1000 person polls. Besides, polls can be crafted to suit the agenda of the poll taker. Iraqis want Freedom, they want security and do you think they'd be better off with Saddam Hussien in power?"

:puke:

[LynnTheDem]

4. Q: Do you think they'd be better off with Saddam Hussien in power?

Answer:

Iraqis Endure Worse Conditions Than Under Saddam
http://www.health-now.org/site/article.php?menuId=14&articleId=446

Iraq health care 'in deep crisis'
Iraq's health system is in a far worse condition than before the war.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4054105.stm

Who’s Better Off? by Rep. Ron Paul
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul241.html

Iraqis polled: War did more harm than good
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-04/29/content_327216.htm

Iraq is Worse Off Than Before the War Began, GAO Reports
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0629-10.htm

Malnutrition rate for Iraqi children almost double
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2005-03-30-un-iraq-malnutrition_x.htm

Iraqis now 58 times more likely to die
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3962969.stm

Less oil & electricity now
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/30/AR2005043001121.html

Less clean drinking water & sanitation now
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/reconstruct/2005/0410waste.htm

[SammyBlue]

7. Response from the RFAs

But. . .but. . .Saddam was a brutal dictator and you hate America!

:sarcasm:

People who are saying what I am now and mean it make me want to :puke:

[LynnTheDem]

12. My response to RFAs

"Get a brain, morans."

Or I show em these:

Human Rights Watch; Iraq invasion cannot be justified as humanitarian intervention
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0126-07.htm

Amnesty International; Not In The Name Of Human Rights
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE140092002?open&of=ENG-IRQ

The vast majority of Americans say "humanitarian" is not justification

Only 27 percent of respondents said they think that countries have the right, without UN approval, to overthrow another government that is committing "substantial violations of its citizens' human rights," although another 41 percent said that intervention could be justified if the violations were "large-scale, extreme and equivalent to genocide."

In the case of Iraq, however, only 32 percent of respondents believed both that human rights abuses equivalent to genocide justified intervention and that such extreme violations were occurring under Hussein's rule.

Asked, "Do you think that there are other governments existing today that have human rights records as bad as that of Iraq under Saddam Hussein?" an overwhelming 88 percent said there are.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/ngos/advocacy/protest/iraq/2003/1114lose.htm

[lvx35]

32. Hehe. Looks like the facts are in!!!

And the whole lunacy is based on spreading democracy...that system where the majority gets what they want. How can Republicans wake up everyday and say that 80% Iraq's population needs to be ignored so the majority can rule? How many cents are in a republican dollar, 200??? :)

[dutchdemocrat]

34. Pick the brutal dictator... left or right?

Funny how Saddam was ffffffiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnneee' in the good old days... even after the alleged use of WMD's. Saddam's biggest crime in the eyes of the Bush regime was getting greedy with the oil and stomping on Kuwait. And with that - Iraq may have been set up.



Not that I defend the guy - I certainly would not want to live under his thumb.

But I do am fortunate to live in a social democracy that offers affordable health and dental care, free education from kindergarten to post-grad in university, a social catch-net that does not leave unemployed people on the streets...living under bridges etc. How much of this existed in Saddam's world before his ouster and how much of this exists now?

Better question maybe is, how much of this exists in America? Last time I checked, socialized medicine might be burnt into the Iraqi constitution and guaranteed with US tax dollars, a right that citizens of America cannot even share with a country that their overlords is still paying for with innocent blood.

[AuntiBush]

19. Name Just "One" of them thats "Sound!?!"

"We don't run our business by polls."

There ya go. It's a "business" to Bush and he's bankrupted our country, just like all the others in the past.

[wryter2000]

2. Wow

I've been sympathetic to the "you broke it, you bought it" folks who thought we had to stay long enough to clean up our own mess (if possible). But if 82% think they can do better without us, we should get the fuck out. The ONLY reason to stay is to try to help Iraqis.

[ClintonTyree]

3. Pay for what we broke and leave.........

we're certainly not wanted and our continued presence will only serve to make things worse. Send them a check and get the hell out, NOW!

[wryter2000]

10. Damn straight

I only wonder if we have enough $$$ left in the treasury after 5 years of looting by the rethugs.

[prescole]

5. The essence of arrogance

Invade, destabilize, then insist you're staying until they're stable again.

[LynnTheDem]

6. Ain't it though.

Especially when we can't even keep suicide bombers out of the Green Zone.

But hey, must still be oil and US taxpayer monies for bush's cronies to steal.

[Lasher]

35. Iraq's money too.

They're also stealing from Iraq.

[jonnyblitz]

8. exactly. it"s the HEIGHT of arrogance. that's what i have been

trying to tell the "stay and fix it" or "we can occupy better than Bush" crowd. they get all upset because I am "bashing" their favorite cult of personality candidate who suggests such things. I won't mention any names. snicker.

[jonnyblitz]

9. I was told by a Clark supporter the Iraqis don't know what they

want, or their is no consensus on what they want..or some bullshit like that. thanks for this! :thumbsup:

[LynnTheDem]

14. The ol' "white man's burden" crap. Only WE know what's best

for the dumb little Iraqis.

Gawd that pisses me off...any wonder the world hates us??? Way too damn many arrogant patronizing stupid ignorant SOBs in this country.

[G_j]

11. (nominated) but, ..but what about the permanent bases

we are building there to assure democracy?

:eyes:

[LynnTheDem]

16. American demockracy means IGNORING what any majority want.

bush praised SPAIN for IGNORING 92% of Spaniards who opposed bush's invasion.

bush praised ITALY for IGNORING 90% of Italians who opposed bush's invasion.

bush smeared FRANCE for NOT ignoring 87% of French who opposed bush's invasion.

bush told TURKEY's government they should have IGNORED 98% of Turks who opposed bush's invasion...and Turkey should have used their military to OVERPOWER the Turkish government who did NOT ignore what 98% of Turks who opposed bush's invasion.

American demockracy means doing whatever BUSH tells you to do, when he tells you to do it and how he tells you to do it. Funny thang, but most the world's citizens don't agree.

[G_j]

17. excellent post!

bulls eye!

[Cults4Bush]

18. That is a stunning post right there!

Fuck... this whole thread is.

[Aimah]

23. The only thing Bush is willing to fight for in Iraq..

is to Free the oil. As posted earlier, Bush could care less about Democracy around the world and even in the US. It's just a buzz word to scare other world leaders into doing what his administration wants.

[oxbow]

24. Permanent Bases are ignored by MSM, just like this poll will be

Maybe KO would cover it...

[aquart]

13. OUT NOW.

[LynnTheDem]

15. INVADERS GO HOME!

IRAQ FOR IRAQIS!

[AuntiBush]

20. Nothing like Creating a "Safe & Secure Country"

while blowing the Iraqi people to smithereens.

[Disturbed]

22. The Silverspoon Sociopat lies about Democracy.

He and his Neo Fascists support many brutal Dictatorships as this is being typed. Do some research on this by search engines. Type: "dictatorships supported by USA"

[Cults4Bush]

21. Onto the greatest with this thread, plenty there for occupiers types

to chew on.

Reparations now, Out now! When the fuck are our leaders going to realize sending more troops over is only going to make more terrorists and make more insurgents (there is a difference). This war was lost before the first bomb was dropped. Anyone who still believes that our military and our governement can "fix" this is not seeing beyond their own agenda.

Iraqis want us out now and its only going to get worse no matter what happens. Any leader that stands for sending more troops is standing for the creation of more death for the Iraqis by way of terrorists and errant insurgent IEDs/shootouts and Coalition "collateral damage", more death for the Americans by way of terrorists both there and here (trust me they are coming... I hope no one really thinks the small percentage of foreign fighters remains static and they stay and fight till they die maivete all over you if you do) also by way of increasing worldwide anger and condemnation, and importantly the rest of the world not all the newly extremely well trained battle hardened terrorists will be coming here (i.e. London.... and that was probably a second string team).

Believeing that the Iraqis need our help so we can stave off the civil war that is already there is folly and arrogance. It is based on the ego driven needs of appearance and a win at any cost culture that the rest of the world is fast becoming to despise.

Wake up and quit being so bloody minded and naive.

[Gronk Groks]

25. We cannot afford Reparations, just get us out !!!!

The shrub and his cronies have stolen everything the U.S. Government didn't have bolted down. We can't afford reparations even though we owe them. We CAN get our troops home ASAP.

Get our troops home safely and soon !!!

[Cults4Bush]

26. That is if you dont stop corporate welfare and/or reinstitute taxes on

the obnoxiously rich.

We could and should quit with a lot of these tax breaks dontcha think? I think that there are lots of prok programs under the belly of the repig beast.

We are going to have to afford it because if we dont make reparations we might as well just keep on training better terrorists so they can wipe us out more quickly.

We can afford them and we had better do it or we sink ever further into the abyss of empire.

[Gronk Groks]

28. I agree, we need to repeal the tax cuts and cut the coporate...

...welfare. Cutting out the 'pork' in the highway bill will and getting our troops out will help. But even with all of that the deficit has grown so monstrous that it has hobbled any future "do good" projects that we will attempt. Believe me, I agree that we owe it to the Iraqi people and that it will reduce the number of terrorist we will face in the future.

That idiot shrub has crippled the U.S. for at least a decade. The American people will agree to removing coalition troops. They will NOT agree to war reparations just as they would not of agreed to reparations to Vietnam in the seventies.

The Progressives need to take what we can get and not kill ourselves with the politically impossible. Bring it up for public debate, yes. Push it as atonement for American evil, no.

[Cults4Bush]

29. Ok we'll just differ on that and save it till we get 'em home... agreed?

I do not want to be divisive on this topic.

Here have a drink for peace on me.
:toast:

[Gronk Groks]

31. Agreed. A difference of degree and not of substance.

I basically agree. Don't know if the American public can be brought on board.

Here have a toke for peace on me.
:smoke: :party: :hippie: :beer:

[Jose Diablo]

27. Well, so much for 'Oh, we must stay or they will have a civil war" or

'we must rebuild, we broke it you know'.

Even here, all the arguments for why we must stay the course. JahZues.

What is so hard to understand. The Iraqi people don't want us there.

Think about it. If another country had bombed the crap out us, invaded with tanks, blasted anyone that moved, entered our homes in the dark of night, took our people to be interrogated, tortured them, circled and then slaughtered those that lived in our most holy city, would anyone want them to stay?

The best thing to do, for peace, is just leave. If another Muslim country feels they need to send troops to keep the peace, I wish them well, but I doubt the Iraqi would welcome them either. We messed them over, big time. The best thing is just leave.

They will sort out for themselves what they need to do or even if they want to form a Kurd/Sunni/Shiite cooperative. If not then they will separate and repartition the country.

It's NOT our problem anymore. Right now, we are the problem.

[confludemocrat]

30. Obviously, Iraqis know what's good for us better than Bush admin and more

importantly what's really, really bad for them. But Bush his Republican enablers and his Democratic party enablers are blind to it. Will they ignore these findings? FUCK YES! I hate these bloody bastards. Don't tell me they aren't in bed together on this issue or that there's more than a goddamn dimes worth of difference.

[Usrename]

33. The will of the people.

Wish they had an opportunity to have a referendum on this rather than the idiotic vote they just had. War supporters need to know about this.

Kicked-

[peacebird]

36. bush isn't concerned about iraqi's, the only thing he wants protected

and defended is the oil. Remember when the war started? We had troops protecting the oil fields but not the weapons caches, govt buildings, museums, hospitals?

We will leave when the oil runs out, lickety split.

OR if the repukles are worried about losing control of house and senate in 2006 then there will be a symbolic "drawdown" of troops and a declaration of "victory"

[Hubert Flottz]

37. I'm sure the "terra-ists" brought all those people in to vote in that

poll! The 82% are no doubt just a few bad apples. The other 18%, who, BTW, amount to about the REAL number that still uphold Bush's criminality, undoubtedly stand to make lots of cash and are really the only important ones in that sham democracy, just like in our Bushco "Democracy" here at home.

Any way you turn it or twist it, the invasion of Iraq was a total blunder, made by totally foolish liars, crooks and cheats.