What should we do if Fitzgerald does not indict ?

[kentuck]

There is always that possibility, although we are holding out hope that he will stop this band of criminals in their tracks. It's a tough call to make for any prosecutor or judge. Just ask Ronnie Earle. It is not easy when the criminals become so emboldened that they attempt to defeat justice with sheer arrogance and partisan division. Look at Tom Delay as the example of those that turn their nose to justice.

If Fitzgerald does not indict, how emboldened will this bunch become? If there is no justice, there is no freedom. If there is no justice, there is no democracy. If there are no indictments, there will be no peace. No justice - no peace.

[mattclearing]

1. For the last time, he is going to indict.

He has said he does not intend to issue a report - hence, he intends to indict.

[tulsakatz]

12. haha..........

.........that's true!!

[OldLeftieLawyer]

17. That's flat-out wrong

He has no authority to issue a report, no matter how the investigation ends. That would require court approval, and it's not going to be forthcoming.

So, if the grand jury (prosecutors don't issue indictments - grand juries do) do not hand down indictments, the party's over. It ends.

[alcibiades_mystery]

35. A does not lead to B

Your assertion is without a valid warrant.

[Quixote1818]

49. Actually he wont

According to O'Donnell it's up to the Grand Jury to hand down Indictments but it's quite clear that they probably already have done so.

[marylanddem]

2. Revolution? n/t

[Kierkegaard]

4. First thought that popped into my head.

What other option is there?

[Perky]

13. FIne You bring the pitchforks I will bring the torch....

But I bet you don;t show up.

Sorry but I am just tired of the people who cry revolution ad nauseum WHat we need is leadership and organization not anarchy and defeatism.

Besides thee NRA has all the guns.

[kentuck]

23. Why does "revolution" have to be guns and torches ??

Where did you get that idea??

[Perky]

32. I was being Facetious Kentuck

No indictments are not the end of the world....nor is it cause for revolt.

Organizing and getting people to the polls to vote for Democrats is not revoutionary. The only other way I know to become powerful is by force. Figure out how to get 10 million new voters to the polls: now there is something to get riled up about.

Unfortunately there are more people on this site who would rather play chicken little then truly do something like oh God-forbid anything more than piss and moan about Dibold stealing the election...

[Kierkegaard]

26. That's a bet you would lose.

This situation is desparate. If the current administration can openly lie, cheat, steal, break the law and get away with it, how do you propose to install 'leadership?' If there are no idictments, this cabal will feel completely invincible. What are your options? Just asking...

[Perky]

33. Gee I don't know

FInd a cadidate who can get a dew million more to the polls.

[Kierkegaard]

52. Why?

So the powers that be can manipulate the vote again to declare another victory?

[Kralizec]

6. No question mark. n/t

[PDittie]

15. Count me in.

[Straight Shooter]

3. You may need to expand your definition of "justice."

Justice may have her own timetable and her own set of rules which she will apply to the criminals.

That is a test we do not want. Come what may, I believe Fitzgerald will do the right thing. In one article I read about Fitzgerald, the person said, "To him, there is no such thing as a minor crime."

It isn't in our hands. But we've seen a momentum begin against the Monkey Palace and the bush gang. Many truths have come to light. Things will never be the same, indictments or not. They are exposed.

[kentuck]

8. They must not be emboldened by the prosecutors decision...

whether they go to jail or not. They must respect the rule of law. The judiciary is the last line of defense, I think?

[Straight Shooter]

14. That would be a definite downside to no indictment.

Still, I believe a great amount of damage has been done. And if Fitzgerald does not indict, perhaps there are those in the CIA who may decide to dispense justice according to their timetable and methods.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

20. It's not Fitzgerald's call

It's up to the grand jury, not the prosecutor. They hand down indictments.

Or not.

[kentuck]

29. What is Fitzgerald's role in front of the Grand Jury ?

Does he have to convince them that indictments are appropriate for the crimes committed or purported to have been committed?

[OldLeftieLawyer]

31. He presents

He subpoenas witnesses who are then questioned by the grand jury and by the prosecutors and they make their decisions on the basis of what he presents.

[Straight Shooter]

30. Yes, but ...

... what the Grand Jury does also depends very much on how thorough Fitzgerald is in teasing out all the elements of the crimes.

[MarsThe Cat]

5. try to find the wormhole...

to get ourselves back from the bizarro world.

stop sweatin'- that's kkkarl and scooter irv's thing to do these days.

[Perky]

7. He is goiung to indict Libby for sure.

enough with the slippery slope stuff it is getting tiresome and monotonous.....I for one think the nation is resiliant enough to survive no indictments but its going to happoen

This is the first and most pivotal round. These indictments happen because it is the only way to create pressure on the higher ups,

[...of J.Temperance]

9. Stay away from sharp objects? n/t

[stepnw1f]

10. Find a Republican To Punch in the Head (nt)

[Straight Shooter]

16. LOL.

I love a practical response :D

[Catherine Vincent]

11. I will have to respect that.

I have been reading a lot of this guy and if he doesn't find anything worthy to present to the Grand Jury, then no one will. Although he is republican appointed, he doesn't answer to them. I read an article where back when he indicted some well known muslim sheik in 2004 and some thought it was timed to boost Bush's re-election campaign but he wouldn't have it. It was reported that he was very upset by that notion.

[Kralizec]

19. But WE KNOW they are criminals. This is the last chance for the Justice

system in this country. If it fails here and/or with Earl, then that avenue has ended.

[SledDriver]

18. Sharpen the guillotines

[babylonsister]

21. We are putting a lot of faith into Fitz, but I truly believe

it's well-founded. I think he will be a big catalyst in getting this bunch of evil people out of here. I'm an optimist, and I believe!

[Mr_Spock]

22. Throw a tantrum and whine like babies?

I dunno - I can't predict what he's gonna do. I'm taking life one day at a time!

[Oversea Visitor]

24. I will light a candle for America

And pray that the catergory 10 Hurricaine Bush will not completely destory America before it finally stop 3 years from now.

[Warren Stupidity]

25. be dismayed? Consider emmigration again?

I wonder at what point good people in nazi germany realized that the only option left was to collect their stuff, their families, their close friends, and move as far as possible from the gathering storm?

There is only so much of this I can take. Eventually my responsibility to protect my family transcends my love of my country.

Failure to bring charges would be, to me, close to the last straw. I see this as perhaps the final chance to re-establish the rule of law in our republic.

[babylonsister]

28. Wow! When you put it like that...

It's going to happen. Have and keep faith!

[applegrove]

27. Grieve the loss. You almost had your country back. Cry. Hard. Get

it all out. We still have to be ready to work TOGETHER in the 2006 elections.

[Perky]

34. Thank you!!

[niallmac]

37. True, so true...is that Merlot?

[applegrove]

46. Yes - I love Merlot no matter what the people in "Sideways" think

of people who drink it. Oak too. Give my my oak & my merlot. Except I rarely get a chance to drink it.

[Oversea Visitor]

42. If you cant stop bush here

Kiss 2006 goodbye
It will be election fraud on a larger scale.
A Law Breaker will keep on breaking the Law until he is stop.

[samplegirl]

47. I agree

I see what has been done to Ohio because they
have'nt been stopped.

[Oversea Visitor]

71. Yeah

From what I being reading they are spreading all over.
Americans ignore this trend at their own peril.

[Perky]

36. Nathering Neigbobs of Negativism.

In the freakish occureance that there are no indictments.....I get up and start a new day. It is not the end of the world fols... nor the end of deomocracy.......promise...

[kentuck]

38. Perky, with such resignation and enthusiasm....

I'm sure we will get millions and millions more to the polls. Let's have just a bit of urgency and importance in the decision. Because it is not just another day.

[Perky]

39. THe point is that

no indictments does not mean the end of world.

Read my other posts on this thread

[kentuck]

41. But we want to cut our wrists and lay in a tub of warm water...

Don't try to stop us. :)

[Perky]

43. yep that will win an election or two

[Kralizec]

57. Then a surprise awaits you. n/t

[walldude]

40. Read what Matthew Cooper wrote about the Grand Jury

http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/bawnews/leakcase719

Seems they are on the case. I'll bet money that the shit is going to hit the fan. On the other hand I also predicted a Kerry win :eyes:

[drb]

44. Start stockpiling weapons and ammo.

nt

[drb]

45. Get a list of your local reschmucklican committmen, precinct chairs...

...and volunteers. If we can't roll 'em down from the top, we'll roll 'em up from the bottom.

[Quixote1818]

48. It's not up to Fritz. It's up to the Grand Jury to decide who is indicted

See O'Donnell's blog on the Huffington Post.

[bluestateguy]

50. Then Democrats in 2008 should run a dirty campaign

I'm talking like on par with George Bush's campaign in 1988 or Nixon's in 1972.

[brettdale]

51. Thats what Im thinking

If Fitgerald doesnt indict, they are going to think they are untouchable.

[mmonk]

53. If Fitz doesn't indict (highly unlikely IMO but I'll play along),

my move would be to check and see what states were willing to seceed.

[Walt Starr]

54. Accept it and move on.

I am certain Fitzgerald is going to indict. In fact, I figure there will be multiple indictments.

That said, should he not indict then that means there is not sufficient evidence to take anybody to court and actually convict them.

I trust Fitzgerald based upon all of the cases I ahve watched him bring.

[Shrek]

55. Just relatively certain?

Last week, you said that you "knew for a fact" that major players would be going down.

Has something changed?

[Walt Starr]

56. Sorry, just soft selling

I'm certain and will edit to demonstrate that.

[Kralizec]

58. Trust yourself and what you know.

We all know about the whole Niger thing already. We know through Fitz' own investigation who the leaks of Plame were, which only fills in more to the puzzle we had been making. We know that Fitzgerald has gone that far. He's had to have discovered it.

Once again, all that is moot because we know already. Thus, if he doesn't indict, though I hate to say it, it would mean he's helping to cover the whole mess up.

And that's why we can't "move on."

edit: clarification

[Walt Starr]

60. If he doesn't indict

He doesn't have enough hard evidence to convict. End of story.

If there are crimes and there is enough evidence, the GJ WILL indict. End of story.

[Kralizec]

61. I he doesn't indict, I don't buy your reasoning as to why. n/t

[Walt Starr]

62. Then you know absolutely nothing about Fitzgerald n/t

[Kralizec]

63. If saying that makes you feel beeter, so be it. (eom).

[Catherine Vincent]

66. You should read up on Fitzgerald.

I think you would change your tune.

[Kralizec]

67. christ! this is why i keep my mouth shut on DU! I HAVE read every post

about Fitz on this forum. I know what kind of person he is! I also know the evidence out there as well. I'm not attacking his character, but if he doesn't indict, it's not because of a lack of evidence. Remember who these people are. Rove, Libby, Bush. If they can find a way to intimidate/threaten, they will. It takes a lot of guts to stand up to them. And I do think Fitz is someone capable of it!

If Fitz doesn't indict, it's a bad tune.

[Catherine Vincent]

69. I didn't mean to come across as crass.

I wasn't talking about reading up on him here at DU, I meant outside of DU. Sorry to make you mad. I guess I have too much Fitz on the brain.:)

[Catherine Vincent]

65. There is no way a man like Fitzgerald will help cover up the whole mess.

They would have had to threaten his parents somehow. That is the only way.

[Kralizec]

68. Yes. I didn't mean to imply that he would actually be a part of it

other than a victim.

My whole point was that there is enough evidence out there. If he doesn't indict, it's fishy, and that it can't be something we just "move on" with.

Threatening is a very likely form of achieving this.

edit: clarification

[No Exit]

59. Converge on Washington with pitchforks!!!!!!!

[leeroysphitz]

64. Tear the roof off this SUCKA? n/t

[leftofthedial]

70. start breaking things