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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 09:09 AM
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Jerry Springer's Comments on Air America This Morning
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Jerry Springer's Comments on Air America this morning?
by worker
Mon Oct 24, 2005 at 07:04:22 AM PDT
Does anyone know if Jerry Springer's comments this morning on Air America have a real basis in fact? He has been saying that the investigation is now moving to whether or not people in our government were involved in the stealing of stationairy and a stamp from the Niger Embassy, for the forging of the document used to support the war.
If his comments are correct, then this investigation is going to absolutely blow the Republican party apart at it's very seams.
Springer mentioned connections between Rove, and some guy that was involved in the Iran Contra affair, and supposedly he was involved in this too. I didn't catch all the details, but I've been looking around the net for any other sites mentioning any of this. Haven't seen anything yet though.
Anyone know anything?

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 09:13 AM
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1. Didn't he reference a specific web report/blog?
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 09:13 AM
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2. Here is an article about Fitzgerald's pursuit of the Niger documents
and the tie to Franklin's agreement to cooperate. It is a very interesting read!

WASHINGTON, Oct. 23 (UPI) -- The CIA leak inquiry that threatens senior White House aides has now widened to include the forgery of documents on African uranium that started the investigation, according to NAT0 intelligence sources.

This suggests the inquiry by special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald into the leaking of the identity of undercover CIA officer Valerie Plame has now widened to embrace part of the broader question about the way the Iraq war was justified by the Bush administration.

snip

The first is that Fitzgerald last year sought and obtained from the Justice Department permission to widen his investigation from the leak itself to the possibility of cover-ups, perjury and obstruction of justice by witnesses. This has renewed the old saying from the days of the Watergate scandal, that the cover-up can be more legally and politically dangerous than the crime.

The second is that NATO sources have confirmed to United Press International that Fitzgerald's team of investigators has sought and obtained documentation on the forgeries from the Italian government.

more

http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20051023-104217-9679r
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afdip Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 09:29 AM
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10. this is a great article . . . .
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 09:13 AM
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3. it's all here >
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-moore/the-most-important-crimin_b_9183.html

We may stand witness to a definitive American moment of democracy. The son of a New York doorman probably has in his hands, in many ways, the fate of the republic. Because far too many of us know and are aware of the crimes committed by our government in our name, we are unlikely to settle for a handful of minor indictments of bureaucrats. The last thing most of us believe in is the rule of law. We do not trust our government or the people we have elected but our constitution is still very much alive and we choose to believe that destiny has placed Patrick Fitzgerald at this time and this place in our history to save us from the people we elected. If the law cannot get to the truth of what has happened to the American people under the Bush administration, then we all may begin to hear the early death rattles of history’s greatest democracy.

Fortunately, there are good signs. Fitzgerald has reportedly asked for a copy of the Italian government’s investigation into the break-in of the Niger embassy in Rome and the source of the forged documents. The blatantly fake papers, which purported to show that Saddam Hussein had cut a deal to get yellowcake uranium from Niger, turned up after a December 2001 meeting in Rome involving neo-con Michael Ledeen, Larry Franklin, Harold Rhodes, and Niccolo Pollari, the head of Italy’s intelligence agency SISMI, and Antonio Martino, the Italian defense minister.

If Fitzgerald is examining the possibility that Ledeen was executing a plan to help his friend Karl Rove build a case for invading Iraq? Ledeen has long ties to Italian intelligence agency operatives and has spanned the globe to bring the world the constant variety of what he calls “creative destruction” to build democracies. He makes the other neo-cons appear passive. He brought the Reagan administration together with the Iranian arms dealer who dragged the country through Iran-Contra and shares with his close friend Karl Rove a personal obsession with Machiavelli. Ledeen, who is almost rabidly anti-Arab, famously told the Washington Post that Karl Rove told him, “Any time you have a good idea, tell me.”

The federal grand jury has to at least consider whether Ledeen called Rove with an idea to use his contacts with the Italian CIA to hatch a plan to create the rationale for war. Ledeen told radio interviewer Ian Masters and his producer Louis Vandenberg, “I have absolutely no connection to the Niger documents, have never even seen them. I did not work on them, never handled them, know virtually nothing about them, don't think I ever wrote or said anything about the subject.” It is strictly coincidence then that some months after he and his neo-con consorts and Italian intelligence officers met in Rome that the Niger embassy was illegally entered and nothing was stolen other than letterhead and seals. And equally coincident that forged papers under those letterheads were slipped to Elisabetta Burba, a writer for an Italian glossy owned by Silvio Berlusconi, Italy’s prime minister, and a backer of the Bush invasion scheme. Unfortunately for the pro-war neo-cons, even an Italian tabloid would not publish the fake documents and turned them over to the CIA and US government in Rome.

The other American attendees at Ledeen’s Roman Holiday are also worthy of scrutiny. Larry Franklin was recently arrested for leaking classified US government information to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. Ledeen sprang quickly to his defense but Franklin faces prosecution next year and is most probably cooperating with prosecutor Fitzgerald. Harold Rhode, the other American actor in this tragicomic affair, worked the Office of Special Plans (OSP) at the Department of Defense for Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Characterized as a “counter-intelligence shop,” OSP simply interpreted intelligence in a manner that fit the need for evidence that Iraq had WMD. If the CIA gathered data that said otherwise, OSP analyzed it differently or ignored the facts and then reported to the vice president precisely what he wanted to hear. Rhode also was the liaison between Ahmed Chalabi, the convicted embezzler the Bush administration was using to feed information to them and Judy Miller about the distortions and lies required to fuel the rush to war.
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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 09:14 AM
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4. Jerry was talking about
Roves best friend...he is mentioned in the book Bush's Brain...I never read it and I am bad at names ...Micheal something...They have pulled the stolen letter head trick before.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 09:24 AM
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9. "Micheal something" is actually Michael Ledeen. . .
Edited on Mon Oct-24-05 09:25 AM by DinahMoeHum
a hard-core Neocon who has his sights on Iran as the ultimate prize.


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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 09:15 AM
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5. they probably put tape on the door this time too
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 09:16 AM
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6. David Schuster Hardball Report well worth watching - video here:
http://www.canofun.com/blog/videos/schustercialeakinvestigationoct2105.wmv

OCT 21 05 report . . .thanks to the can of fun person!
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 09:17 AM
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7. Raimondo names names
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 09:18 AM
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8. the forgeries
i think david kelly was murdered in part to prevent exposure of the forgeries, these cia quality documents that noone can blame on al ciada, or sandy berger, no matter how they try.....long long ago, i dreamed that them monstrous gopig bastards (after KAL 007) would do something and, in covering it up, would get caught keystone cops style, with the bullshit media explaining it all away until finally such a clear, damning picture emerged that even the mediawhores were left speechless....i think you are seeing such a scenerio unfolding right now
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