Anybody else getting tired of these leaks?

[joemurphy]

They're all obviously coming from lawyers for various defendants...

Just tonight we have the NYT one saying Tenet told Cheney and Cheney told Libby about the fact that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA. We've had all kinds of punditry about what that's supposed to entail and whether it's good or bad for Cheney.

Now we have Larisa Alexandrovna (who I've always liked) saying...no, no...it was Wurmser who told Libby and maybe or maybe not Cheney and someone in Cheney's entourage tasked Wurmser with calling a bevy of select journalists to explain that Wilson's wife sent him to Niger on a "boondoggle".

I've decided to stop paying much attention to this. The Press is so eager to say something that they're just parroting back what interested unnamed sources -- all lawyers for potential indictees -- are spoon feeding them.

I'm just gonna wait for Fitz.

My rule of thumb in this is not to trust any Cable-TV journalist that, at this late stage, has not bothered to learn how to pronounce "Niger" properly.

Good night and lets hope for a sackful of indictments on the morrow!

[notadmblnd]

1. I understand that it was wormser who was ordered

to contact the journalists and tell them.

[Catherine Vincent]

2. Should we be concerned about these leaks?

They're all coming from the lawyers of the republicans. Are they setting us up? It could be totally different than what Fitzgerald will give us.

[Ioo]

3. I recommend Depends, they catch the leaks!

[chalky]

4. I liken these leaks to shaking your Fitzmas gift in order to guess

what you got. You may be way off base, but at the very least you know there's gonna be something under the tree for you!

[OldLeftieLawyer]

5. Smart

All we know is that no one knows anything.

I love how Fitzgerald has kept this whole investigation leak-free. Good for him.

[Seabiscuit]

10. Agreed. 100%. I'm ignoring the leaks and waiting for Fitz to act.

[pointsoflight]

6. The two reports are completely consisent.

The NYT is saying Cheney told Libby.

Rawstory is saying the VPs office then ordered Wurmser to out Plame to reporters.

These are two separate steps in the ultimate outing, the first telling us how the VP's office found out about Plame, the second about how Plame was then outed.

[joemurphy]

8. How can they be consistent if one says one thing and another

says another? One says Tenet told Cheney and Cheney told Libby. The other says Wurmser told Libby and maybe told Cheney too. Your idea of consistency and mine aren't totally consistent.

At this stage of the game, a lawyer could tell the Press anything and it'd get printed....

Mother Teresa told Wurmser who told Nelson Mandela who told Libby who discussed the matter with his mother who then contacted Judy Miller and Voila! Valerie Plame was outed!

[Trajan]

9. My dad told my mom ...

"I love my kids" .... Then left for work ....

My mom told me and my older sister ; "Your daddy loves you"

My older sister tells my other sister ; "Daddy loves us"

I tell my older brother ; "Daddy loves us"

My other sister tells my younger brother ; "Daddy loves us"

My younger brother tells my mom : "Daddy loves us"

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They ARENT saying OPPOSITES ... they are repeating, in a more or less complex structure, the SAME story ....

[joemurphy]

11. Um...OK...If you say so. So Tenet and Wurmser are really

the same people and when they say they told Libby and Cheney they are being totally consistent! *smacking my forehead* But of course!
It is a more or less complex structure, but the same story!

[pointsoflight]

12. Think about it.

Tenet wouldn't just tell Cheney about Plame out of the blue. Cheney probably heard about Plame from somewhere else at first...someone like Wurmser who was working on WMDs in the middle east just like Plame. Then Cheney *requested* information about Plame from Tenet, and Tenet obliged.

All of this is inconsistent if you think there's just one criminal out there. By all indications, however, this was a major, coordinated conspiracy in which there were multiple sources of information about Wilson and Plame, and multiple leakers of that information.

[joemurphy]

13. Well, maybe. We'll find out one day, I suppose.

But you are speculating that Cheney learned about Wilson having a wife at the CIA from Wurmser first and then, for some reason, wanted confirmation or elaboration on the same point from Tenet.

It's possible and plausible.

But there are lots of other scenarios that are equally possible and plausible. It's just as possible and plausible, for example, to suspect, as I do, that one of the two press reports on who originally gave the information to Cheney is wrong.

And that's my point.

[Trajan]

7. The emotional equivalent of ....

Plugging one's ears and screaming 'LA LA LA LA LAAAAAAA ' ...

Listen to all: select what seems reasonable to YOU, then continue to modify your beliefs based on the best available information as the story builds ....

Self denial seems a tad strong a response at this juncture ....

Careful and prudent reckoning IS wise ... intentionally ignoring the various stories and sources seems a bit excessive ........