Forget partisanship and your desires for a second. Did Dick Cheney know

[Maddy McCall]

Did Dick Cheney know that Valerie Plame was a covert agent when he discussed her identity with Scooter Libby?

When you vote, forget what you WANT to believe. Forget party politics. Think objectively--which is it?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

1. Don't know about puppetmaster but he sure knew.

[Wetzelbill]

2. I voted no just to be different.. but yes he did :)

[Maddy McCall]

3. I was eager to hear the rationalization behind that vote.

:hi: :7

[Wetzelbill]

17. "No" was just looking so lonely I had to help him out.

:)

[DemonFighterLives]

4. Imus reporting a fissure developing between Libby and

GFY cheney. Tenet's name is then thrown out as to who told dickless.
:silly:

[Maddy McCall]

6. Of course Tenet's name was thrown out. He was a holdover from the...

Clinton administration. LOL! They are trying to twist this now to somehow be Clinton's fault. :silly:

[DemonFighterLives]

13. Of Course, It is all Clinton's fault

I wish Tenet would take a stand and I think a lot could be solved.
:silly:

[HereSince1628]

5. Cheney would still seem to be the guy behind the conspiracy

to do damage to the Wilson family.

It's little things that often proove the most useful.

During the gangster days in Chicago tax evasion was one of the most successful prosecutions to put criminals behind bars.

[H2O Man]

7. Yes.

My answer is not based upon what I wish were true. It is a fact that, dispite my personal feelings about these two, both Cheney and Libby are highly intelligent people, who are very good at what they do. It is important to note that their discussion was not illegal: both are cleared to discuss information at this high of a level of secrecy.

Is it possible that Dick Cheney and Scooter Libby were not aware of Plame's position? No. It is not.

[Maddy McCall]

8. Thanks for that clarification.

So talking amongst themselves was not illegal. Leaking the name to people without NS clearance WAS illegal. Correct?

(Good morning, H20 Man. I suppose you are glued to the news today. :hi: )

[H2O Man]

16. Correct

on the part about the Cheney-Libby conversation.In and of itself, it is not illegal. They can discuss her. But I want to be careful to make one point clear. There is one exception to it being okay for these two to discuss Plame. And the fact that Libby lied to Fitzgerald about this conversation raises the chances of it being true.

If Cheney and Libby discussed Plame's connection to Wilson in a manner that indicates Cheney was aware that Libby was going to use the information to harm Wilson, it is by definition the genesis of a criminal conspiracy. That would be the second most devastating thing that could happen to the administration.

The very worst thing would be if Fitzgerald has connected the dots in a way that show Cheney was aware that the front Plame was associated with was investigating something that threatened to expose the lies the VP's office had spread to justify the invasion of Iraq.

There is very good reason to believe that within 48 hours, more information will be made public that will clarify why Libby looked to hide Cheney's role. Keep in mind that Libby is highly intelligent, and not prone to foolish errors. Lying about Dick Cheney's role may provide the key to unlocking this mystery for the general public.

[Maddy McCall]

18. You have a gift for explaining this in an easily understandable way.

You ought to write the book on this important era in history. Not kidding. I love your prose.

[H2O Man]

19. Some in the CIA

are now saying that Cheney is without evidence that Tenet shared information on Plame with him. It is known that Cheney was furious with Wilson for challenging the yellow cake lies. He reportedly had asked Tenet about Wilson's trip to Africa. Tenet didn't know anything about it at the time. It is very difficult to believe that Tenet would seek out more information on Wilson, including on Plame's relationship, but not be able to recall getting back to Cheney with it. But it appears Tenet has said that he did not share this with Cheney.

Lying, as in the case of Libby, is evidence of consciousness of guilt. There are few reasons to lie if you are not trying to avoid detection. Expect things to heat up to a boiling point, very soon.

[Hubert Flottz]

9. Bush knew...

AGAIN!

[TaleWgnDg]

10. Ooops, no "other" choice . . .

.
"Lookit, Tenet, just tell me, is Valerie Plame employed by the CIA?" asked Vice President Dick Cheney to George J. Tenet, then CIA director, not wanting to hear whether Plame is a "covert agent" employed by the CIA.
(50 U.S.C. 421, et seq is not violated)

.

[mmonk]

11. Makes no other sense for him

to be concerned with her. He could attack Wilson for partisanship and still get away with going to war without bringing her into it. She was the real threat he saw IMO.

[Crankie Avalon]

12. The Puppet Master!!!

Pull the string!!! Pull the string!!!


Dance to that vhich one vas created for...

[Maddy McCall]

14. LOL. So fucking appropriate, eh?

:hi:

[Eugene]

15. It would have been irresponsible to assume she was not covert.

Even if they "forgot" how they obtained than privileged
information, they would have known better than to
name names in a spy agency without checking.

The Right clamored loudly for the Intelligence Identities
Protection Act, denouncing liberal "traitors" bent
on exposing CIA operatives and operations.
And this administration is secretive to the point
of paranoia. Cheney, Libby, and Rove had to know
exactly what they were doing.