Al From coming up on C-spn

[DemonFighterLives]

DLC head :bounce: I'm so excited! :sarcasm:

[Warren Stupidity]

1. I'm sure they've changed their minds on neocon folly in Iraq.

Not.

[tavalon]

2. So, are you a fan of the bloodsucking DLC

or did that post lack the important sarcasm smiley?

[DemonFighterLives]

3. I think the sarcasm smiley is there.

;-)

[DemonFighterLives]

6. Pukeys leading us in the wrong direction

Al got that right.
Positive agenda of dems:
1. how we keep the country safe
2. create an opportunity society -challange from global economy
3. help parents raise kids - (als slipping)
4. indictment of Delay and Abramoff -dems are party of reform- try to make more congressional seats competitive.

It was to be a list of 4, but he added one.
5. bting this country together - b*sh is a divider - national service

[Hubert Flottz]

43. 2. create an opportunity society -challange from global economy

The Rockefeller Democrats(DLC)want to continue to export American jobs, just like the GOP is doing now. The do nothing democrats at DLC, like the GOP, represent ONLY...rabid corporate greed.

The unpatriotic corporations are in the process of draining the life blood of the country, with these flawed one sided trade agreements. These DLC democrites,(the "Big Dogs")are on the corporate payroll and living the "HIGH LIFE" while working American families go on paying for everything...in our blood, sweat and tears!

Christmas this year, will not be so merry, for the shivering moms and dads with no money to buy food, shelter and clothing for the family, let alone something from Santa. The good paying jobs have all been exported without a sign of remorse, from these crooks and liars on the World Bank/G8 bandwagon. But then...America's increasing poverty, grief and pain are all..."Just Politics"...Right?

The DLC Dems are the ones the swing voters are speaking of, when they say that they..."can't tell the difference between democrats and republicans." The reason being, on a lot of issues that REALLY matter to most American families...THERE IS ZERO DIFFERENCE. I have come to despise them almost as much as the neocons.

DLC = GOPer light...I ABSOLUTELY...refuse to vote for another DLC Democrat!

[tavalon]

8. It's weird

I swear to God it wasn't there when I first looked and then it was the next time and you didn't edit it so my computer must have decided not to load the graphic the first time. My bad.

[bambo53]

4. Will Donna Brazil be with him

How about Joe Lieberman and Mary Beth Cahill?

Are these really the people we want speaking for us? Is there no way to stop them?

If not, then we're doomed.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

5. A veritable all-star team.

Sorry, did I say "all-star team"? I meant "worthless losers."

[blm]

40. Mary Beth Cahill worked for Ted Kennedy, she's not DLC.

.

[Skidmore]

7. Al From, you fool, I don't want the Dems telling me how to raise

my kids any more than I want the Rs telling me how to. Effin' me-too.

[KoKo]

9. Figures....after the insane callers on WJ...why not follow it with From.

The loonies will be falling all over themselves to call in.

No thanks....I'll pass that one up.

[merbex]

10. You know you have no support Al when an 11 yr old challenges

your right to speak for us

11 yr olds rock!!!

[DemonFighterLives]

11. Kid asking why From is speaking

When Dean is the leader. She and her mom don't think Al speaks for us.

From: DLC represents critical mass of leaders - offer some ideas for democratic candidates to say.
Bush has racked up a lot of debt

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Republican: Keep spewing rhetoric, cause that will keep repukes getting elected and "we'll" be well off. bush around 40, but dems around 30.
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From: welcome to the other side, but the gentleman is wrong. Rosa Parks has died.

[Skidmore]

12. Wonder if he ever stops to consider that those leaders may

not be offering ideas the rank and file agree with.

[DemonFighterLives]

21. Nah, he thinks the DLC is the Cats meow NT

:dem:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

13. Will any other Republicans be with him? eom

[DemonFighterLives]

15. He actually mentioned repuke lites and try to push himself

away from them.

[DemonFighterLives]

14. 6 DLC governors rule from the center

Dem: country has been misled by both parties. Lesser of 2 evils.
People sick of both
Mod: What 2 issues?
Dem: lying and finger pointing

From: debate is polarized, but the 2 party thingy works really well.
The need for modernization of the party is real. DLC :backpat: is dong that. A positive agenda can solve it.
Energy- important issue for the nation. We fund both sides of the terror war - opportunity society (energy efficient products) Clinton to speak today.

[Skidmore]

16. Talking about increasing "high end jobs"

through changes in the energy sector. Fine and dandy, but what does the DLC have to say about the line worker or the service worker? Not a peep. Every one's going to colleg and become an executive.

[RepublicanElephant]

17. geez, compare this lame appearance to howard dean's on "this week".

who better represents the heart and soul of the democratic party?

[DemonFighterLives]

19. I hear ya, but we need to know what our presumed leadership is

thinking. Would be nice to have Dean stick it to him! I don't know what I'm saying. :silly:

[Skidmore]

33. And they are presumed. I think it's amazing that they

are telling us who our leadership is and not letting us decide who our leadership is. I stand with Dean.

[DemonFighterLives]

36. I agree and thanks for helping out here

:thumbsup: I don't know how important the DLC will be, but we have to know where "they" are coming from.
:patriot:

[DemonFighterLives]

18. Next caller

About poll numbers and the lies for war

From: 29% think the country is going in the right direction. We have freedom to criticize those in power and tell how we can do better.

From has a masters in journalism. ?

Detroit caller: Progressive populist (part of the movement)
She supported Clinton, but he was DLC and gave us nafta and media reform act which is causing us problems. Clinton now in bed with bushies. Need to get rid of DLC -funded and iniatied by coome?sp a member of birch society.
From interrupts - That's a Lie! - sidenote(maybe some truth to it with his vehement reply)?

[Skidmore]

20. He doesn't get that the disagreement comes

from the institutionalization of structures which have served to undermine the working and middle classes. Opportunity has been gradually taken away.

Globalization--sounds just like a effin' Puke. I'm pissed. Make America "fiercely competitive". Yeah, bub, at whose expense? Whose back is that competitiveness being built on.

[Cassandra]

28. Koch Industries money...

was apparently what she meant.

[DemonFighterLives]

30. Do you have any more information on this?

I'm interested in this. :shrug:

[Cassandra]

31. I Googled dlc and john birch...

and finally got to someone saying that it was in "What's the Matter with Kansas?". It's also flogged by Larouche, so tread carefully through tricky sources. Open Secrets might have something, but you have to know who is connected to what to make sense of the funding connections.

[DemonFighterLives]

35. Thanks

Did the Coomey (sp) name come up anywhere. Obviosly From didn't like the insinuation and it could be a lie or ?
I know one thing, my 82 year old father thinks the Birchers are behind everything and the more recent republicons are remnants of the nasty organization. I don't understand them that much, but if my dad's blood boils, I know there is something to it. Birchers that is.

[Cassandra]

38. No. I thought I would google what I could...

and see what came up. That doesn't mean there's not another name out there.

[blm]

42. CATO and Birchers have same founding money - the Koches.

Father Koch funded Birch and Koch brothers funded CATO Institute.

This is one of the reasons I had trouble with Dean in the primary - he was the favorite Dem of CATO when he was governor, and Koch brothers made the Vermont Yankee deal with him then. I think they did so deliberately to entangle him in some paperwork that would make him look complicit if he was the nominee running against Bush. (That's a standard tact for BFEE operatives like Koch brothers).

[DemonFighterLives]

44. Thanks for your input

I'm still searching for stuff. Kind of strage how we have to delve in the past to get to the future and see who is representing us.

[DemonFighterLives]

45. Found a little chat on the DLC and birchers

The site I don't know about but:
http://www.deanesmay.com/posts/1124982241.shtml


The birchers were supposedly cast from the republican party.

Gingrich Beserkers
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2003/3028gingrich_dems.html

clip..


When Ted Kennedy warned in January 1995 that America doesn't need two Republican Parties, he had the problem inside out. Evidence newly appearing confirms that a single gang, the hyper-New Age fascists around Newt Gingrich and Alvin Toffler, was then strangling Republicans and Democrats, while sweeping aside the traditionalists in both parties. This is the war-crazy faction which has recently been running Bush policy through the Vice Presidency and the Pentagon, and, acting through the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), sabotaging and silencing the Democratic Party of Franklin Roosevelt.

[blm]

46. Point of clarification, though. I do believe that Dean has become a more

liberal leaning leader since his run for president and that it is a sincere evolution for him.

I would still bet that the Koch bros would try to destroy him with falsified papers if Bush needed it.

[1932]

47. Dean apologized for some of his DLC-friendly policies, like

giving IBM everything they asked for. I don't think he has said anything about energy deregulation during his tenure as governor. He does advocate balanced budgets in all circumstances, however, which is not the sort of liberal Keynesian economic strategy some of the true progessives are trying to get back to focussing on.

Dean isn't in a policy-making position, so some of this doesn't really matter. However, he does seem to be moving away from the person he was as governor, albeit gradually on some issues.

[qanda]

22. Did anybody else see him tell Peter to cut off that lady?

I don't think I'm crazy, but I swear he just motioned to Peter and said, "Cut her off!" She was the one saying the DLC needs to go away.

[KharmaTrain]

23. I Just Posted About It On Another Thread...This Was Planted!

First...Peter seemed very eager to jump in and challenge this person claiming to be a "Progressive"...then asked her to define what a Progressive is. Ya think this asshat would do the same of a Conservative?

Another red flag her is this lady didn't seem to know the concept of Progressive being forward looking in world view as opposed to the regressive view of Conservatives.

Then she baits From about how Clinton sold out on NAFTA and several other issues...Peter cuts her off, From attacks her...and there you go folks..."Democrats fighting Democrats".

[DemonFighterLives]

29. I didn't hear From say cut her off, but he could have

He jumped right in with both barrels when the caller mentioned the alleged Bircher ties. Anyone here know anything about that?

I think the caller was a real dem who could not get her question out.
Peter kept interrupting her with his questioning of the Progressive Populist label. I think she answered pretty well, but mentioned old constitution or something. From really looked like an ass about the Clinton and bircher comments. His head nearly exploded.

[KharmaTrain]

34. The Bircher claim set off Red Flags

That's surely not a Progressive bitch with From. Repugnicans know a lot more about the John Birch Society (since most of their members are members) than Democrats do and was an old attack point on the DLC in the late 80's and early 90s...by Repugnicans. Surprise, surprise.

Nope, From didn't tell Peter to cut her...Peter knows this game real well. He was just waiting for her to say something really off the wall...and let her hang. Then From came right in and showed the only real emotion I head in that half hour.

The other fun question was his support of Howard Dean. While I'm nowehre in love with Dr. Dean like others here, I sure could see From parsing his support for the head of the DNC, which I do strongly support. His usual DLC mantra of "I support "elected" Democrats" was all he need to say.

[DemonFighterLives]

37. Thanks for your thoughts Karma

I could readily believe you, but that touchy nerve of From kind of hits me funny. It may have been just an attack on the DLC- which is sometimes needed, but not by the freepers. :D

You are right on the 2 high points. Dean did not sit well with mr From. Dean is too cool for him!
I am a little curious as to why you are not fond of Dean? I would think someone progressive like you would be on the train. Maybe, I'm reading the tea leaves wrong?

[KharmaTrain]

41. I'm Enjoying Independence

On the From thing...again, this Birch attack seemed something that would come from the right, not the left...there's plenty of other things we could hit him with...this one just seemed like some very inside hardball. As others have noted on this thread, this charge isn't a well known one...and surely not one I'd expect from a DFA'er...there's plenty of dirty laundry from campaign 2004 that could have been thrown.

That being said, I'm very much in "wait and see" mode. Even From made some very good points this morning...as does Dr. Dean and Gen. Clark and many others...but no one is hitting all my buttons. Plus my focus isn't on the national at this point, it is very local. I'm more focused on winning House and Senate seats next year and developing Democratic parties where they're either poorly functioning or none-existant. The ideological games...especially ones that are being played for the 2008 elections are of no interest to me at the moment. The here and now is just too time consuming.

Cheers...

[DemonFighterLives]

24. DLC Blueprint

Can't Do Presidency.
caller: Homosexuality wrong, abortion wrong. blah blah Why do you continue talking and not making any progress?
From: 8 million from poverty to middle class -dubco has created more poverty. This caller needs to take a look at the dems. National security is part of modernization of the party.
Mod: How do you communicate the message?
From: coordinate with candidates Dlc members are repeating the talking points.

[DemonFighterLives]

39. Link for Can't Do Presidency

http://www.dlc.org/

It's a book from Al From and a few articles about it.

[RepublicanElephant]

25. i think the dlc is in a struggle with repubs to see who can best serve

corporate interests. the average joe doesn't really matter to either group.

"The truth is the Democrats are the party of moral values. We are altruists and believe we are all in it together and have a community to sustain. The President's attack on Social Security wasn't just about money and neoconservative nonsense. It was about a fundamental attack on the notion that America is one community and we have responsibility for each other. When we talk about moral values... 67% of America believes that it is a moral value that everybody has health insurance; 60% of Americans believe it's immoral for the federal government to tell families what to do in their personal decisions -- decisions that have to do with their personal lives. So, most Americans agree with Democratic moral values.

...Honesty in government will be one of them; balancing the budget and restoring jobs another; a health care system that benefits everybody a third one. Strong education system to give opportunity to all Americans again....We believe that we ought to have a decent public education system and the president ought to stop taking money away from it...Balance the budget after the most fiscally imprudent Administration in my lifetime, then restore the social safety net for middle class Americans that is being shredded by an Administration who says one thing and does something else...We want ethics legislation and campaign finance reform and health care reform. We will be the party of change, and we're serious about this and Democrats will have to live by these changes just like Republicans. We want fundamental reform in the United States."
--Howard Dean
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=55436

[DemonFighterLives]

26. Last call

Nyc -What can be done to recruit the best candidates for 06?

From: DLC works only on the idea side and can not pick candidates. Rahm Emmanuel is helping pick some. Tax reform package by Paul Weinstein.

E-mail called out the mod for letting From slip on his statement of support for Dean
Re; The mod asked him if he supported Dean. It was a sort of wavering answer and he said he supported who was in charge of the DNC.

[Coexist]

27. He as much as said he doesn't support Howard Dean...

He sucks. I hate the DLC.

[DemonFighterLives]

32. I don't think he could say Deans name

Does this signal a power struggle? I think so and I will support Dean over this clown any day.