HELP! need a SNAPPY comeback to a FREEPER comment on my BLOG

[nashville_brook]

here's the original post regarding the EARTHQUAKE RESPONSE compared to the NOLA HURRICANE RESPONSE, followed by the FREEPER comment.

anyone have any LINKs or SNAPPY COMEBACKS?

http://johnsoncity.blogspot.com/2005/10/my-disaster-is-worse-than-yours.html

my disaster is worse than your's

I just heard that a woman and child were rescued from the earthquake rubble after 60 HOURS.

I wonder how many mothers' and childrens' bodies are yet to be FOUND in New Orleans.

It's international news that 2 people have been rescued after 60 HOURS. People were stranded on international television for more than a week in New Orleans.

I really woonder sometimes how Bush sleeps at night.
posted by Brook at 11:42 PM

Anonymous said...
As if the hurricane was Bush's fault. You're obviously not educated. Bush is not responsible for the local response, he is responsible for the NATIONAL response. It is impossible to cooridinate a National Search and Rescue to a 30 mile radius in less than several days. You should be harping on the mayor and governor who were obviously under-prepared. You should do some research and understand how local, state and federal govt works before you blame Bush. OH, and I guess Bush blew up the levy to. HAHA MORONS!

[bryant69]

1. Anybody who ends their post "HAHA MORONS"

Probably isn't worth responding to.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
Big Contest at blog - To potentially win a subscription to Salon Magazine, visit this post --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com/2005/10/contest.html

[warrens]

20. Levy? It's levee

[ClassWarrior]

21. I think he's talking about Bush** blowing up a Jewish guy.

NGU.

[nashville_brook]

23. see, i was too sleepy to even catch that!

HA.

i was sooooo surprised they got MORON spelled correctly i was blinded.

[Atman]

39. Blowing up a message from the IRS perhaps?

His trailer's about to be repo'd.

[Maeve]

42. And "too", not "to"

:eyes:

[cynatnite]

FEMA

should be all that needs said.

[PDittie]

2. Post "The Moran" photo n/t

[xultar]

3. with the caption "Is this you? Finaly spelled it right I see."

[nashville_brook]

9. that's rich!

love it!

[crispini]

4. Just post this:

"Is that you, Michael Brown?"

[SoCalDem]

66. answer: "Yer doooin a heckofa job, Brownie"

and then just delete his lame entry:)

[SnowGoose]

5. peripheral point, but the synonym for "also" is "too", not "to"

You'd probably want to rebut the substance of the poster's argument rather than attacking the grammar, but still...

[skids]

6. Here's a snappy response...

"Do they pay you be retarded in public, or are you a volunteer? One thing you got right -- it's impossible for a totally unqualified crony heading FEMA to coordinate just about anything, forget a search and rescue operation. Good thing we still had just barely enough troops stateside to bail out yet another neocon blunder."

[ClassWarrior]

11. Lakoff rightly calls it the failure of the conservative philosophy.

NGU.

[nashville_brook]

13. that's good...

usually i like to draw ppl out with a line of questions. i can use this. :evilgrin:

[ClassWarrior]

7. I'd say that local and state officials in LA are not accountable to me...

...but Bush** is supposed to be. And what concerns me is what his** response will be should - God forbid - a natural disaster or terrorist attack happen in MY city. Will he** ignore them, fight with them, and blame them too? As one of HIS** constituents, that's a totally valid question. The question of state and local response in another state is purely theoretical jerking off.

NGU.

[nashville_brook]

16. yep! right on. the coffee's kicking in... i can SEE it...

[rmgustaf]

8. Just remind him

of the miracle that is the 7-day weather forecast. Mentioning Brownie's "I need time to eat" memo would be a nice touch too.


Or go the sarcasm route: "Yeah, I see what you mean - when Bush stayed on vacation after 9/11 and the military took six days to get to Ground Zero, I was really impressed with what a great job they did!"

[gratuitous]

10. "Thank you Michael Brown"

Always glad to have someone stick up for their own incompetence on my blog.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

12. Why would you even bother

with someone like this?

Go do something meaningful with your time and energy.

Oh, and if you need to run for help in order to answer someone - anyone - about anything, you're in over your head.

[ClassWarrior]

17. You're right, this freak himself won't be convinced... but...

...there's an audience, and they're the reason to bother.

Howya doin, btw, Leftie? :hi:

NGU.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

40. Oh

In that case, crush the mofo.

Hiya, kid ...............

[nashville_brook]

22. naw -- just sleepy. thought i'd throw ya'll some red meat.

it's a team blog, of philosphy grads and music scenesters. usually i engage an elenchus b/c that's what i'm good at. but i just thought i'd throw this out for eye-level take-down.

thanks for getting me in the spirit.

[CabalPowered]

14. Ask him where the USS Comfort was.. nt

[LSK]

15. why would a city be more prepared for a disaster than the feds?

His reasoning defies logic. How could a city that just was severely damaged by a hurricane have better resources to find people in a 30 mile radius than the federal government? :wtf:

[Lasher]

18. These lies have already been exposed as such.

The pack of lies to blame local Democratic elected officials has been exposed as such.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinion/content/opinion/epaper/2005/10/24/a14a_fema_edit_1024.html

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051025/NEWS/510250372/1021/OPINION01

[nashville_brook]

27. good links!

[stop the bleeding]

19. Not a snappy response but this may shut them up.

Here is link from 08/27/05 for when Gov. Blanco asks Bush for federal assistance while declaring a state of emergency

http://www.gov.state.la.us/index.cfm?md=newsroom&tmp=detail&catID=1&articleID=778&navID=3

So it was in Chimpy hands as of 08/27/05

Here are some more links related on the subject.

http://www.gov.state.la.us/assets/docs/Proclamations/48pro2005-Emergency-HurricaneKatrina.pdf

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/frontpage/index.ssf?/base/news-4/1125213007249320.xml

Good luck and may schwartz be with you.

[nashville_brook]

26. thank you! it's been (what?) a full week since FEMA research, and

already my mind is all on FITZMAS. seems like a year ago the hurricane hit.

[Coexist]

24. this thread has all the good info on it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4668155

[deutsey]

25. Just tell him NOLA became an "incident of national significance"

under Homeland Security.

For Incidents of National Significance that are
Presidentially declared disasters or emergencies,
Federal support to States is delivered in accordance
with relevant provisions of the Stafford Act (see
Appendix 3, Authorities and References). (Note that
while all Presidentially declared disasters and
emergencies under the Stafford Act are considered
Incidents of National Significance, not all Incidents of
National Significance necessarily result in disaster or
emergency declarations under the Stafford Act.)
Under provisions of the Stafford Act and applicable
regulations:
¡ö A Governor may request the President to declare a
major disaster or emergency if the Governor finds
that effective response to the event is beyond the
combined response capabilities of the State and
affected local governments. Based on the findings of
a joint Federal-State-local Preliminary Damage
Assessment (PDA) indicating the damages are of
sufficient severity and magnitude to warrant assistance
under the act, the President may grant a major disaster
or emergency declaration. (Note: In a particularly
fast-moving or clearly devastating disaster, the PDA
process may be deferred until after the declaration.)
¡ö If the President determines that an emergency exists
where the primary responsibility for response rests
with the Government of the United States, or
because the emergency involves an area or facility
for which the Federal Government exercises
exclusive or preeminent primary responsibility and
authority, the President may unilaterally direct the
provision of assistance under the act and will, if
practicable, consult with the Governor of the State.
¡ö DHS can use limited pre-declaration authorities to
move initial response resources (critical goods
typically needed in the immediate aftermath of a
disaster such as food, water, emergency generators,
etc.) closer to a potentially affected area.
¡ö Federal assistance takes many forms¡ªincluding the
direct provision of goods and services, financial
assistance (through insurance, grants, loans, and
direct payments), and technical assistance¡ªand
can come from various sources.

In a major disaster or emergency as defined in the
Stafford Act, the President ¡°may direct any Federal
agency, with or without reimbursement, to utilize
its authorities and the resources granted to it under
Federal law (including personnel, equipment,
supplies, facilities, and managerial, technical, and
advisory services) in support of State and local
assistance efforts¡­¡± 502(a)(1) of the Stafford Act, 42 U.S.C. ¡ì
5170a(1) and ¡ì 5192(a)(1)].
¡ö In an actual or potential Incident of National
Significance that is not encompassed by the
Stafford Act, the President may instruct a Federal
department or agency, subject to any statutory
limitations on the department or agency, to utilize
the authorities and resources granted to it by
Congress. In accordance with HSPD-5, Federal
departments and agencies are expected to provide
their full and prompt cooperation, available
resources, and support, as appropriate and
consistent with their own responsibilities for
protecting national security.

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/interapp/editorial/editorial_0566.xml

[nashville_brook]

28. GOT A TROLL here

check out ROBERT's response which magically just came up:

Funny how the original poster has to seek help for a comeback. The problem is that democrats are so used to getting a pass for the things they say yet when challenged, they have no reply.

The state and local officials are clearly to blame. They had no idea of how to handle the catastrophe. When Gov. Blanco is more concerned about her political image than helping the people, I think you know clearly who to blame.

For Brook, even though you didn't ask me what I would have done I'll tell you. Use the buses to evacuate the people, take Amtrak's offer to help evacuate people, accept the food from the ARC instead of rejecting it, and shoot the looters and those who interfere with rescuers. I think those things would help. Probably the biggest thing I would have done is to cede control of the National Guard to the federal authorities rather than worrying about my political losses.

[alcibiades_mystery]

31. You did it to yourself

Time and time again I've seen people come here to ask for help on another board, and they always get busted and humiliated.

If you can't produce your own response to that obvious line of bullshit, maybe you should get out of the blogging business?

[nashville_brook]

32. wow -- who pooped in your cheerios?

just a little red meat for the masses.

ii do have a serious question for you. you seem an authority on such matters. i'm just a writer and housewife. i have dogs. i'm probably not as smart or as good at "blogging" as you. i didn't know it was a boo boo to throw a stupid comment out for examination. is this indeed the case -- anyone else -- care to answer?

do you have blog i can view to how it's supposed to done?

[alcibiades_mystery]

34. Oh wow

Right. I'm so smart and you're so downtrodden. Nice gambit. You have dogs and I have no responsibilities. Sure.

I'm just noting a phenomenon. Anyone who asks for help here gets caught out doing it and made to look foolish.

[nashville_brook]

37. and i'm just wondering -- jeez

how did i imply you "don't have responsibilities?"

i've never seen this phenom before. i think it's interesting. i'm a little amazed at the venom in your comment to me.

"anyone who asks for help here"

"gets caught"

"and makes them look foolish."

okay, first of all -- if you aren't talking to people to UNDERSTAND better (ie HELP) then why are YOU here? what IS the purpose of GD if you can't hook-up and discuss stuff -- espeically stuff that's tangential to your interest.

secondly, "gets caught." this i really don't understand. maybe you can help me. Caught? is there a RULE i've broken? did i miss this in my AOL NETIQUETTE FAQ?

THIRDLY -- makes me look foolish? sorry. i think you have that backwards.

[alcibiades_mystery]

41. Let me be more clear then

If you are in an argument on another board (or comment space), and you come here asking for help in that argument, and you post a link to that argument, you will be caught out there. Somebody will follow that link, and tell the people you are arguing with that you asked for outside help. Why does this make you look foolish? Because it proves that you were incapable of answering the arguments yourself.

[nashville_brook]

44. do you bump into a lot of walls in your two dimensional world?

it's my blog. i can do whatever i want. they exist on MY BLOG at my mercy. i can block anyone. i can delete their stupid comments. but i choose not to. i'd rather see what's in those pointy little heads of theirs.

just b/c someone CHOOSES NOT TO argue -- doesn't mean they CAN'T argue. and if that's the only reason you log on to DU, then i'm sorry. that's really sad. do you not imagine real PEOPLE on the other side of the screen? winning arguments is a very small use of bandwidth.

[alcibiades_mystery]

46. Yeah

when you've had your ass handed to you by some ignorant freepers, and anyone reading your blog thinks you have no answer.

but you're really not about "argument" after all, anyway (making a virtue of necessity).

[nashville_brook]

48. no one has ever handed me my ass b/c i don't put my ass into my arguments

[alcibiades_mystery]

57. Riiiiiight

That's why you asked for help.

Cuz you didn't care about the argument.

All makes sense now...:eyes:

[nashville_brook]

62. it's a conversation... that reminds me...

a funny thing happened today on the way to the Forum...

and boy are my arms tired...

mmm; g'day

[skids]

45. I don't think it was a big deal to ask for help.

Of course the freeper idjits will make it out to be one.

But you didn't ask for "a response," you specifically wanted a snappy response. Which I can see why the way you got dragged into wasting what must have been like 2-5 minutes dissecting that last post.

As we know, freepers aren't worth that much time arguing with. Not everyone has developed the "online debate" skills to put them in their proper place in the scheme of things efficiently -- a lot of people still try to apply methodical reasoning. The result is a troll spends one minute cutting and pasting from their cliff notes, and then a conscientious citizen spends five times that much time writing a reasoned response, which then gets ignored, with one sentence taken out of context and used to change the subject to some other thing the troll has conveniently in their cliff notes.

So it was more like tips on writing style you were after. Which is fine by me. I think the only people who will seriously care that you did this are troll morans destined to work at a car wash well past the age of 18. Don't sweat it.

FWIW.

The secret, by the way, with dealing with these creeps is to be snappy. So you got that part right. Though we call that "snarky" in these parts.

[nashville_brook]

47. i've come to believe that the debate JOCKS are law students or something

it's the only way i could justify spending the time -- that's it's sharpening some other skill your life depends on. :)

[jayfish]

33. Who Would Have Driven Those Buses?

Also the "looters interfering with rescuers" line has been debunked.

Jay

[rucky]

29. Here's why we have so much trouble responding to Freeps:

It's not that we don't have command of the facts, the real dilemma is which facts would be most effective to counter a ridiculous arguement. Or if one should even bother, seeing as most people that end a statement in HAHA MORANS aren't really interested in the petty jurisdictional responsibilities of FEMA, or the application for disaster relief from Blanco that preceded the hurricane by three days, or the federalization of New Orleans which was supposed to happen when the hurricane hit (but didn't), or FEMA's turning away of private rescue efforts while they waited for no-bid contracts to be awarded.

But peppering these freeper types with facts isn't always the way to handle schoolyard bullies. All they do then is tweak your glasses and call you a dork.

So the problem with responding to freepers is that you can either set them straight, knowing that they will continue to ignore anything of substance you have to say and hone in on some other manufactured arguement on their script (usually Clinton related). So you didn't "get em back" that way.

Or you could resort to playing the dozens: Out insulting the insulter. To be honest, folks like us aren't really good a putting people down. Fer shame, fer shame.

Maybe it's best to get to the heart of the matter, and ask the poster why they feel so threatened by criticism of the Bush administration. Why does their ilk surf blogs and make snarky comments? What's their stake in it? What's their beef? Are they paid operatives? Brainwashed dittoheads? Racist homophobes? If they're not in it for the money, then they're doing all this work for free? What's the ideological motivation? I'd really like to know. Maybe it's personal... and these people do drive-by postings as some subconcious way to win the approval of their authoritarian fathers?

Or maybe it's best not to respond at all, because that would just be giving them the attention they desire (see authoritarian father who would only acknowledge son when he was being disruptive). They don't care if it's good attention or bad attention...they just know that bad attention is easier to get. I mean, lookie here - a whole DU thread about this a-hole. And here I am going on and on when I should be shipping out some dog biscuits or something productive.

[nashville_brook]

36. so good to see you again!

i don't understand the game aspect of this as if there's a right way/wrong way. i'm way more interested in exactly what you said -- what's the dealio with snark surfer. honestly, this comment was and eye-rubber b/c it's been so long since katrina was on the Today's To-Do List.

and i'm really amazed at the venom here too. we're on the same team here. why wouldn't you take a comment like (that i really don't care to spend too much time on), and give it to others who might enjoy it more than me. i'm not an "argue-er." it not interesting to me.

WHY anyone would go to the lengths of posting, waiting, commenting -- whatever. now, THAT's interesting.

[nashville_brook]

30. you guys -- you MUST CHECK THIS OUT -- it's gotten WEIRD

http://www.blogger.com/publish-comment.do?blogID=3661994&postID=112898247509378859&r=ok

[Squatch]

35. Ask him "There was a national response?!?!"

[Atman]

38. How about "IP ADDRESS BLOCKED?"

Works for me!

[kywildcat]

43. why bother, it's like two bald men fighting over a comb

we are not going to convert or even win a case against people who drop their proverbial drawers and let their stupidity hang out for all to see.
In ANY encounter with people like this their one goal is to aggravate and subjugate you. They have no interest in civil debate.
why give your power over to someone like that? People who are capable of critical thought read thru freeper crap. They pass over it and look for substance.

[nashville_brook]

49. right on -- it was a sleepy request. i wasn't so much wanting to win

than to throw out the situation. while i get a bong hit/brush my teeth/feed the dogs. :) you know us libruls...

[kywildcat]

59. I know that state well...

You know, when some twitless wonder spews the RW talking points all I can say is
That horse is dead...dismount!

[nashville_brook]

51. forgot to say: that's hysterical...2 guys...no hair...comb

hehe

[nashville_brook]

50. hey atman -- see my response to

alcibiades_mystery

i know about blocking people. i have only done that once when someone started getting personal. i don't want to quash dialogue. "Robert" has been fairly well mannered. That's cool.

The basic idea behind Johnson City Forum is that it is like a bar (we all used to hang out together in a bar scene) where there's all kinds of different people coming for the music/beer/conversation. it's totally okay for a freshman to sit at the table with the big dogs. we're all freaks here. lets talk.

[Atman]

56. Oh, I agree with you

Generally, it is more fun to allow the freepers' posts, as they are so obviously parody of themselves. But I was just figgerin' that that's the way they do things over at Freeperville...don't allow dissent, just ban 'em, Booko! But then I realized the irony would most certainly be lost on them.

[nashville_brook]

61. right on -- gotta get out the whuppin stick eventually if people don't

play nice.

[nashville_brook]

52. Johnson City background info that might give DU'ers insight into

The Johnson City mindset:

http://johnsoncity.blogspot.com/2003/11/participant-at-kkk-initiation-wounded.html

Monday, November 24, 2003
Participant at KKK initiation wounded after shots fired into sky

(i would say something snarky about the Darwin Awards, but really, what's the point -- brook)

_________________________________________________________________


JOHNSON CITY, Tennessee (AP) -- A bullet fired in the air during a Ku Klux Klan initiation ceremony came down and struck a participant in the head, critically injuring him, authorities said.

[nashville_brook]

54. which is to say, these mountain people have seen it all in the way of

knuckle-dragging. there isn't one angle to conservative/liberal discourse that hasn't been explored to it's ultimate end over decades of life in the redneck little mountain town.

(now i'm throwing red meat to my JC homeys -- you know who you are!)

[Tim4319]

53. True, the hurricane was not Bush's fault.

But everything that happened after wards was!

[nashville_brook]

55. lisa, if you see this are you thinking what i'm thinking?

[YouthInAsia]

58. "blew up the levy to"

"To" where?

[The Sleeper]

60. Just STOMP the little fuckers and move on....

These trolls get OFF on trying to beat people down with their so called superiority. Masks alot of things, don'tcha think ?

"defining a strong leader" ?

Hahahahahaha...

well, torture is a given, right Freepers ??

:sarcasm:

[ComerPerro]

63. I don't have a snappy response. But I can say this

Why is it good enough for conservatives to have a "leader" who just sits back at his vacation home and says "my hands are tied".

Hes the fucking president!

And his lack of interest in the tragedy, his lack of interest in national events and the well-being of Americans doesn't distrub conservatives?

Why is it ok that our president is a lazy, disinterested moron?

[Lisa Williams]

64. Well, I did have a snappy response...

...to "anonymous" and you can look at it on Brook's blog if you wanna. (Thanks for the red meat, babe!) But now I say, hell yeah, the hurricane WAS Bush's fault! He's using BLACK MAGIC against the real Christians! He's hiding in the oval office pretending to be a Christian when he's actually...SATAN! And all TRUE Christians know this! Actually, it's why he's in TEXAS so much lately! Now say BAWHAWHAW.

[Lisa Williams]

67. Actually, since I'm new here...

...I probably ought to make a little more clear that I'm really just fed to the gills with all of Bush's Christian posturing, and I couldn't give a fig in either direction what people who identify themselves as "true" Christians do or don't know. I respect everybody's right to worship as they please; I respect no one in their attempt to push it down my throat, because then they've started violating MY right. Startling how simple that is, in't? As holder of the highest office in the land, one of the things he ought to be doing is upholding all such rights of all of us- and there he goes, impinging on me. Inappropriate. It's a small thing, in a way, but in a way not- one of the dangers of these big times is the small but really crucial things that get lost in the shuffle. The first impetus for this country- the reason people were willing to risk so much hardship and death- was for the privilege of religious freedom. Not for money or profit or anything else. Before everything, there was this: not to have some fucking powerlord tell you you had to bend the knee before his god. I think it's possible to be a passionate Christian and a passionate American and still find this mixing of the two revolting and absolutely antithetical to what it means to be an American, at least- in fact I think it's absolutely necessary.

[nashville_brook]

69. you are gonna love it here!

[nashville_brook]

68. LISA! yay johnson city!

welcome to the underground! i'm working on homeboy if you couldn't already tell.

linkeee:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5114942

it's been archived, but you can see where i am. might post to God Shaped Hole and keep track of it there.

WELCOME!
:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:

[Lisa Williams]

70. hey hey hey...

Leap into the boundless, with all the once and future philosophy jocks!! Grad school in a real academic subject is really rockin', too, btw!

[izzybeans]

65. Freepazoid certainly has an active imagination.

He mistakes Bush's incompetancy for a conspiracy theory he's got bouncing around the empty hallways of his mind. As if National and Local are distinct responses during a declared National Emergency. Hasn't this asshole heard of planes, helichoppers, paddle boats, scuba gear and the like? But then again, just tell him to "take your pills and go back to sleep because mommy and daddy, or better yet both his daddies/mommies are up late tonight trying to figure this shit out so tragedy can never touch his cute little face again. That's it sleep...go to sleeeeeep. Sleep tight. I hope your dreams are of crimson and clovers." "Daddies/mommies make the bad people go away." "Don't worry little one. We're up buring the midnight oil trying to fix this problem. You just sleep. You're not helping."

[nashville_brook]

71. i haven't read the comments from today -- been running errands...

but from what happened yesterday it seems "robert" 's fairly reasonable. it's like capturing a firefly for the first time and being really curious about what makes it light up.