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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:17 PM
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"Many liberal bloggers are referring to the day that Fitzgerald announces
Edited on Tue Oct-25-05 01:18 PM by understandinglife
... indictments as "Fitzmas Day."

The Cheney Factor

By Dan Froomkin

Special to washingtonpost.com
Tuesday, October 25, 2005; 1:39 PM

The New York Times this morning reports that I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby apparently first learned that Joseph Wilson's wife was a CIA agent from none other than his boss -- Vice President Cheney.

This new revelation suggests that special prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald's investigation into the leak of Valerie Plame's identity has reached even closer to the vice president than was previously known.

Fitzgerald is expected to wrap up this week, possibly tomorrow. Libby and Bush senior adviser Karl Rove are widely seen as most likely to be indicted.

Just how the White House first learned of Plame's identity has been one of the elusive mysteries of this case.

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Lot's of bloggers cited at the link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2005/10/25/BL2005102500853_pf.html


Right.


Peace.

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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:19 PM
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1. So Fitzmas made the Post, not bad. n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:20 PM
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2. I wish this hadn't come out nationally, just yet. Mediawhores will
paint this as proof of the partisan politicization of Fitzgerald's work.

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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:28 PM
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3. You and I are in the minority on this.
But it is something the bushbots could do without. I was tiring of hearing about Fitzmas on DU, I'm sure I'll get real sick of hearing it 24/7 on cable talking head shows.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:30 PM
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4. It's a growing minority...
not only does it make it partisan...it makes us look silly.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:35 PM
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6. It doesn't matter a bit
Fitzgerald will indict or not depending on what he judges to be the right action. The way any of this makes us "look" is irrelevant.

Let the bastards pass all the gas they want. One way or another, they and their crusade is doomed.

--p!
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:37 PM
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7. Are Democrats in Congress calling it Fitzmas? No.
I don't see how individual citizens' response to an investigation can be deemed as partisan in any sense that would matter...the people's joy or somberness at these preceedings can't affect the investigation itself in any way.

Cons can shout "partisan! partisan!" about indictments all they want, but it won't make the indictments any less real or in any way related to partisan politics.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:43 PM
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10. WE'RE not saying it does, we expect the corporate media to say it does.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:45 PM
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14. But we expect the corporate media to be whores anyway
And while their whoring allowed this war to happen and this monster to steal another election, it can't stop an indictment.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:52 PM
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17. Of course not.
My preference is only that it went public afterwards, that's all.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:52 PM
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18. Yuo worry about the media whoring for Bush?
they have for the last five years, as far as I am concerned they are irrelevant

Don't watch them, don't pay attention cancell your subcriptions....

That is what the stneonographers and pundits need

Oh and yuo think they will say that the reason for the seaon is treason? Hardly, they are trying to diminish and minimize this... after all a BJ in the WH is far more serious, if you listen to them, than taking the country to war on the wings of a lie.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:44 PM
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12. makes us look silly! I am partisan...nothing new there. Come on.
Are we supposed to "act" non partisan???
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:45 PM
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13. I'm silly as hell
Is that a bad thing? I thought it just kept me looking young!

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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:49 PM
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16. It sure does, Megan!
:)
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:35 PM
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5. I don't mind it here at DU, but prefer it not hit the public at this time.
The media is grasping at anything to protect the WH and make Fitz appear as a gloryseeking partisan.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:43 PM
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11. Sorry - That's right, you are more full of fun than I am!
just projecting my crankiness on you.

:hi:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:53 PM
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20. Hey, wait...don't ruin my reputation. I am NO fun at all and proud of it.
.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:53 PM
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19. DU is a VERY PUBLIC space,
so if you wanted to keep it out of the public space you needed to keep it at home
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:58 PM
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22. or keep it in the lounge! - I doubt WaPo knows about that. . .
Oh damn I just gave it away! :cry:
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:40 PM
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8. Nah.... Bloggers are low lifes....don't you remember?
And plus Fitzgerald has nothing to do with how folks feel about him. He could care less.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:42 PM
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9. It's no secret that we want the bush junta held accountable
for their crimes against the American people.
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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:48 PM
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15. How long has Franken been saying "Fitzmas"? He just mentioned it.
I haven't listened in a few weeks.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 01:53 PM
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21. I think today
remember Mallloy started om Friday

And say after me, the reason for the season is treason
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 07:01 PM
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26. Stephanie Miller sang the songs last week, it's on DKos, it's
bigger than DU. Always was. Minority Report was singing them Monday night ...

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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 05:58 PM
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23. this whole Fitzmas thing is a huge mistake . . .
first, it trivializes a very critical issue, including what could very well be the most important criminal case in US history . . . we know that the Repugs will try to trivialize the indictments, and now they can point to Fitzmas as an indication that even we Democrats don't take it all that seriously . . .

and second, Fitzmas implies that we'll somehow be receiving a gift, when in fact what we'll be receiving is justice . . . and justice should always be viewed as a right, not a gift . . .

it's fine to have fun at the expense of the right wing, but this is NOT an issue to make light of in any way . . .
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 07:05 PM
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27. Why are we trivializing this historic humiliation of our COUNTRY?
It's embarrassing.
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Zero Division Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:28 PM
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24. I hate the term "Fitzmas". This matter is far more serious
than a partisan game, which is what the Bush admin. apologists want us to believe it is. "Fitzmas" simply reinforces the idea that the Bush admin. apologists are absolutely correct. I can only imagine how pissed off Fitzgerald would be to hear anyone referring to the potential indictments as "Fitzmas".

It may or may not have been a clever and funny term at first, but now it's definitely getting to be obnoxious.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-25-05 06:57 PM
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25. The Cultural Inevitability of Fitzmas
Well unless someone comes forward with a usage of 'Fitzmas' earlier than Oct. 6, I suppose I will be credited as the person who coined the term. On that basis, I'd like to weigh in on the Fitzmas brouhaha.

The term 'Fitzmas' emerged on a whim, to elaborate on a thought suggested in an Oct. 6 thread by Seemslikeadream. That's all it was -- a quickie whim.

But somehow the thing developed legs. On its own. People picked it up and started using it until it became a meme or possibly even an anti-meme. They just seemed to like it and repeat and repeat and repeat it. It developed a life of its own because a lot of people found some level of resonance in it. In this perhaps there is a factor of Cultural Inevitability. Folks are looking for a way to blow off steam about how BushCo and the Republicans have VIOLATED the trust of the voters -- in oh so many ways. Fitzmas, I feel, somehow came to represent the HOPE that the violations would soon be remedied -- a cause for jubilation.

As for me, I don't care too passionately much about the term 'Fitzmas." I found it amusing on one level, but it is not my nature to dwell in the state of Schadefruede -- taking pleasure from the problems of others. I feel that's basically an unhealthy soul state.

What I am interested in -- like most DUers -- is in something far more substantial than a cute word, or a few days of celebration over indictments. Indictments, in my view, will just be the start of a process of profound upheaval in the USA. Out of all of this process I want justice. I want truth. I want my country and my democracy back. That's what is important. That's what I'd like to celebrate: Truthmas or Justicemas or even Democracymas. Bring it on.

"Fitzmas" as a term, or a meme, is likely to recede into the cyber archives of history in a big hurry, maybe as soon as next week. Toodle Oooo. Goodbye.

We have work to do. Justice. Truth. Democracy.
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