Hey hey hey! We don't know anything at all. Nothing. Nada. Zip.

[WilliamPitt]

Two indictments? Cheney? Libby? More? Less?

We know nothing, because Fitzgerald isn't saying. This "people close to the investigation" stuff is little more than people who think they know something speaking to reporters and blogs. Fitz doesn't leak, so everything right now is merely supposition upon supposition.

We will know when we know.

[madrchsod]

1. only the

knows

[MissB]

2. I still need pictures.

That is all.

[jarnocan]

52. PICTURES of all the likely...

suspects http://www.millionphonemarch.com/pool.htm -links have pictures of all of the contenders, and so much more.
Direct link to pics and bios.
http://www.yuricareport.com/Corruption/21AdminOfficialsInvolvedInTGate.html#anchor798406

[MissB]

54. I was thinking more along the lines

of poo being flung around.

[jarnocan]

65. as inBU**SH** from the spew on cue crew?

NBC actually just did a very nice bit on Fitzgerald- emphasizing that he is non-partisan. He was not a rich kid for sure. He is extremely brilliant. I got the feelign they perhaps were preparing folks for the BU**SH** and lies we will likely be hearing about him soon via the 'talking poinst'.

[IndyOp]

3. Last night you posted that the indictments might

be announced or sealed -- why would they be sealed?

:shrug:

[LSparkle]

4. SEALED? Oh no ... Say it ain't so ...

[IndyOp]

7. Will did not say it WAS so, he said it was a possibility --

why? What does it mean if they are sealed?

[WilliamPitt]

14. Well

The Grand Jury expires on Friday, but Fitz may feel that more investigation is required. Sealing the indictments puts pressure on those responsible for re-upping his GJ, helping to ensure that if he needs more time, he will get it.

It is only a possibility.

[LSparkle]

26. Good point -- I feel better now.

No news in this case really IS good news.

[Catherine Vincent]

5. And apparently nothing will happen today.

Otherwise, Fritz would have called a news conference by now.

[DancingBear]

6. Rumor has it the grand jury is on double secret probation

Oops, sorry - that was Wurmser. :)

[Midlodemocrat]

12. I heard that Skinner put them on ignore.

but don't say anything....I could get banned.

[DancingBear]

21. Okay

<tiptoeing quietly away, wearing socks>

[Midlodemocrat]

25. LOL

[liberalnurse]

73. Oh, that was a good laugh for me....

It went well with my Merlot. :rofl:

[matcom]

8. but, but, but, RAW STORY SAID SO!!!

they SAID SO!!!!

:cry:

:sarcasm:

[stepnw1f]

9. We Are Having Fun Speculating Man!

What a buzz kill....

[WilliamPitt]

16. Oh yeah, me too

but I am seeing a lot of people getting bunged up about the speculation, perhaps taking it as fact.

[stepnw1f]

22. ... I know, I know...

:evilfrown:

[Mabus]

62. As someone who has posted rawstory articles

I have also said:

subject: It's like all other things connected to this case


It is an unknown until the facts come out. So far we're all operating on assumptions based mostly on what the MSM has given us none of us know what Fitzgerald has actually found or what others assume happened. To tell you the truth I don't know what Valerie's position was or what the normal course of her duties were in that position were. Was she an advisor? Who knows. What I do believe is that there was a lot of pressure exerted on a number of offices to make the case for war. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2178620&mesg_id=2178658

And I will repeat this sentiment and expound on it: I don't think any one of us knows exactly what Valerie's job was at the CIA or what her duties entailed. I don't think any one of us knows the parameters of Fitzgerald's investigation. I don't think any one of us knows anything for sure but I do think it is worth our time to see what is floating around out there, to acknowledge it and then to discuss it. We've all been guilty of dismissing stories out of hand that end up having a larger impact than the subsequently confirmed facts.

Why is this a good thing? Because it helps sharpen our combined skills of sorting through crap in the media, to find out which sources have higher levels of credibility on which issues and to basically participate as a community that is speculating together and educating each other on a lot of things like how GJs work, the difference between a real investigation and whatever it was that Starr did and the more we talk about it the more the media picks up on the chatter. In other words, we are helping to drive the media for once.

We're liberals. We think, we don't just accept. And sometimes we're right. I remember back when people started speculating on Libby's letter being a code for Miller. After a few short hours someone here on DU came up with the conference in Aspen, something that even the mainstream media picked up on.

Am I trying to have it both ways? Maybe, but more than anything I think all this speculating is helping us more than hurting.

[Tennessee Gal]

10. Indictments can include more than one person.

DeLay's includes three people.

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/delay/delay92805ind.pdf#search='DeLay%20indictment'

[johnnie]

11. It would be a bit ironic

If Fitzgerald's people let leak indictments on people who leaked.

[Az]

13. What are you trying to say Will?

You sound like you know something.



.




.



.



.


:evilgrin:

[Taxloss]

36. Yeah, he often sounds like he knows something. n/t

[tallahasseedem]

15. Why all the drama?

We have been waiting almost five years for something like this. What is a few extra days?

[Az]

24. Go read a Psych 101 book

Stress... its a killer.

[tallahasseedem]

28. Been there done that.

There is also something called "patience" and "self coping mechanisms".

[Az]

33. Some have it

Some don't. I can wait. I will watch those that don't run around tearing their hair out to pass the time.

[tallahasseedem]

67. LOL!

I dont blame you. It will nice to see this administration pay a price for once.

[Quixote1818]

17. Thank you! We are on the exact same page.

I am going to hope for one or two Indictments and anything else will be icing on the cake.

[Walt Starr]

18. But, speculation is what these here internet message boards are all about

I say it was Rove in the Lincoln Bedroom with the Powell memo.

:evilgrin:

BTW, recommended.

[hvn_nbr_2]

57. Rove in the Lincoln bedroom

Cheney "Scootered" the Powell memo to Hadley in the Lincoln bedroom but Gannon slipped it to Rove. Bush rode through on his tricycle, snorted a line, snapped his jaw out of joint, and drifted out. Pickles saw it all and, distraught, got pickled. The butler, who was really working for Franklin, got it all on cufflink-cam. Matalin harpied the butler, but he already had what he wanted so he left with Condi, whispering conspiratorially about aspens into his other cufflink, which was Miller's cue to publish her scoop that Saddam was building neutron bombs in his cell and hiding them in his new beard. My ultimate insider super-duper double secret with Cherry Garcia on top source assures me that this will all be coming out "real soon now, guaranteed." Oh, yeah, and Fitzgerald already has all this (wink, wink), so don't waste his time emailing it to him.

[Shine]

19. Normally I'm a "Embrace the Mystery" type of person...

these days, however, "Fuck that!" I wanna know NOW, dammit. :grr:

I hate not knowing...and yet like you said, we'll know when we know.

Patience is a virtue, blah, blah, blah..........

:eyes:

[LSK]

20. we know this:

That we dont know anything yet!

[demobabe]

23. THANK YOU WILL PITT

This is driving me nuts today. That stupid Raw Story article has folks both here and on Kos depressed thinking what they're saying is factual when it we have no confirmation of this.

[klook]

27. "Some people say..."

You are correct. And inevitably, the rumors get distributed and come back around from somebody else, until the source of the rumor gets "confirmation" from another source who's just passing along fifth-hand hearsay.

If any "sources close to the investigation" are leaking this stuff, they are subject to prosecution themselves. I imagine some of these "leaks" are coming from the White House fiction department, and some are coming from the fevered imaginations of bloggers and careless journalists' unreliable sources. I doubt seriously that any are really coming from Fitzgerald's team or from the grand jurors.

Maybe it's time for everybody to take a break and focus on something else while waiting. If the indictments are coming, they'll come. If not, we've still got plenty of work to do.

[kohodog]

29. In the meantime we can be happy mushrooms.

In the dark, eating shit, but realizing this cabal is going to come tumbling down soon

[Birthmark]

30. In point of fact

There will be at least four people indicted. There will be between 16 and 20 specific charges.






















Okay, it's in point of supposition, really. But didn't it do you good to hear it? Besides, it's as likely as the Raw Story crap. :)

[Taxloss]

31. Wow, breathtakingly insightful.

Once again you have cut through the noise and told it like it is. I'm in awe.

[beam me up scottie]

38. But hey, this IS on the Greatest Page.

:eyes:

[WilliamPitt]

39. You looking for another trip to the woodshed?

LOL

[beam me up scottie]

42. Oh I'd do ANYTHING to get you to pay attention to me.

:rofl:

[WilliamPitt]

44. I know

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5035439&mesg_id=5035439

[beam me up scottie]

49. .

:boring:

[salvorhardin]

48. Hey!

No sex threads!

[Taxloss]

66. Pzzzzzcheezzz!

You lose!

Wasn't that your brilliant, rapier Shavian comeback last time?

[salvorhardin]

Why, we could even say it's Breaking!

...or is it broken? Reality is so complex, man.

[beam me up scottie]

50. Reality?

I guess some people create their own and carry it around with them.

Like a conceited starlet carries a mirror.

[Bluebear]

55. Only on DU!

..would a post about nada, zip, zilcho receive 7 recommends! ;)

[beam me up scottie]

60. What happens if he breaks

wind?

Does he get an award or something?

[nvliberal]

68. Al Jolson got applause for doing it,

but WRP isn't anywhere near being in that league with the great Jolson.

[Taxloss]

61. In that case, it must say SOMETHING.

I'll fetch the electron microscope.

[salvorhardin]

64. Ah, but the act of measuring it would change it

See how wonderfully fluid the truth is?

[Taxloss]

70. Bullshit is often wonderfully fluid as well.

But then I'm simply admiring the post-modernist audacity of a thread that says nothing looking down on speculation, when:

1. The post's author has been speculator-in-chief

2. This thread actually serves less purpose than speculation.

[GumboYaYa]

32. "We will know when we know." LOL, I'm having flashbacks to

Epistemology class now.

[klook]

43. There are known unknowns, and unknown knowns....

Perhaps Zen Master Rumsfeld is behind the leaks.

[Taxloss]

72. Or Donald Rumsfeld's "poetry".

"Known knowns" and all that.

[yodermon]

34. As Inigo would say, drunkenly

"I am waiting for Fitzgerald"

[dxstone]

45. We DON'T KNOW the FUTURE YET???

President Evil Online

Cool anti-Butch tees, buttons, mugs, etc at
Laugh City

[Rex]

35. Notice how no one is leaking from Fitz's office!

THAT is how important this is! I'm glad Fitz is holding his cards close to his chest...make em sweat!

[Rhiannon12866]

37. What Will said is true. Fitz doesn't resort to leaks. He's a professional.

He faces everything head on and asks his questions rather than leaking. It bodes well for the investigation that this is true. Frustrating for us, perhaps, but I'd rather know that he did a thorough and completely professional job.:thumbsup:

[sellitman]

53. Compare Fitz to Kenneth Starr.

One was leak central the other is drip proof. Amazing!!!

[libodem]

40. I hope it includes Cheney

what a nest of scumbag vipers. I've hated Rove since I knew anything about who or what he is. There is a certain amount of satisfaction just knowing that this plague of locusts is not above the law for once and virtually getting away with murder on any whim that moves them. I hope they all get spanked! I just wonder about all the stuff that has gone undetected that they have gotten away with. We know that this is just the tip of the iceberg. Why is it that these 'moral highroaders' are always the first to lie, deceive, contrive, break-rules, and crap on convention when it suits their fancy?....And then scream and point fingers if they think anybody else goes something wrong? oooohhhh I just hate them all....god, I hope they get what's coming to them......

[deadparrot]

41. Thanks, Will.

Something we all need to hear right now.

[underpants]

46. Hath Howard Fineman speaketh???

Ifth not then it the truth...th hath not been spoketh.

:bugle: :mountaintop:

[H2O Man]

47. Fitzgerald has

told those working for him that they will be prosecuted if they leak information. No one thinks that he is bluffing.

Those who say they know, don't; those who know, don't say. It's that simple.

[Catherine Vincent]

56. I knew it. Fitzgerald don't play!

[jarnocan]

51. Will- if you say we

don't know anything- I beleive it. Because you are awesome:)
but I really can't wait.
But as long as we don't know anything.... this pool (and the informative links concerning the contenders) will be... http://www.millionphonemarch.com/pool.htm all the more fun, and the impeach Bush resource is very worthwhile to check out.

[dxstone]

58. Do you think it's too early, then, to send out my Fitzmas cards?

Cool anti-bush shirts, buttons, mugs n' stuff at
Laugh City

President Evil Online

[rucky]

59. KILL THE MESSENGER! n/t

[KoKo]

63. HEY! ...HEY!.....you are correct in one sense

But, you've bitten into the Repug Spin. And I always go to Ruppert when I want verification of WHY I'm so cynical.

Yet....the Oil Companies and Bush I are turning in droves against the "Screaming, Fake, Evil Spawn.

When a FATHER turns on his son...but yet wants to keep the "Empire Whole" then you get into Agatha Christie territory."

Robert Ludlum and John Le Carre's stuff might be good reads, also, for the Politics...and then there's always Graham Greene...

America's Future or Non-Future...it hangs in the balance. Are we just a "blip in Time" or something more permanent.

Sadly....I think we are a "blip." Back to the Eyptians and their dalliance with the "Sun King."

I'm VERY CYNICAL!

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[RB TexLa]

69. Like not know has ever stopped people before

[lonestarnot]

71. You don't see me party'n yet do you?