Indictments Coming Tomorrow; Targets Received Letters Today

[RedEarth]

October 25, 2005
Indictments Coming Tomorrow; Targets Received Letters Today

An uber-insider source has just reported the following to TWN:

1. 1-5 indictments are being issued. The source feels that it will be towards the higher end.
2. The targets of indictment have already received their letters.

3. The indictments will be sealed indictments and "filed" tomorrow.

4. A press conference is being scheduled for Thursday.


The shoe is dropping.

More soon.

-- Steve Clemons

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001031.html

[stepnw1f]

1. Sealed Indictments? Why?

These assholes better be exposed!

[AlCzervik]

5. some info about sealed indictments

Indictment

Before the target of an investigation is arrested, prosecutors generally will take the evidence they have gathered to a grand jury. Grand juries are composed of 16 to 23 citizens. Agreement by a bare majority is required to find probable cause exists that a crime was committed.

Grand juries are formally supervised by a district judge, often the chief judge, but for all practical purposes they function day-to-day under the auspices of the U.S. Attorney's Office. Only prosecutors present evidence before a grand jury, and a finding of probable cause – necessary to issue an indictment – is a relatively low standard of proof.

The indictment lists the crimes the defendant allegedly committed and describes the facts the government believes support those allegations. It is a roadmap to what the prosecution intends to prove at trial. Grand jury indictments are returned to the district court – usually to a magistrate judge – in a sealed court hearing. Indictments generally are unsealed after a defendant is arrested.

A criminal case also can begin without an indictment. In these cases, the lead investigator swears out a criminal complaint, called an "information," setting forth the same kinds of allegations and facts that would be contained in an indictment. Absent an indictment, the prosecution must convince a judge that there is probable cause to proceed with the case. These hearings are held in open court after the defendant has been arrested in a felony case. A defendant can agree to waive indictment and proceed with the case based on the criminal complaint, or can demand that the prosecutor seek an indictment.

http://www.uscourts.gov/journalistguide/district_criminal.html

[goforit]

96. Criminal case can begin without indictments?

[quiet.american]

8. One answer....

David Corn:

http://www.davidcorn.com/archives/2005/10/sealed_indictme.php

[earthside]

57. 'Sealed' Can be Good

Going off of what David Corn wrote ...

Though it may be frustrating (and may mean not celebrating Fitzmas this week), it sounds to me like sealed indictments could be a sign that there is much more to come.

Imagine that Fitzgerald has the indictments sealed until after a new grand jury is impaneled ... because there is much more investigation to do now ... because the investigation is headed directly at Bush and Cheney.

I want indictments, now. But if it means taking down Bush and Cheney and Rice and Rumsfeld -- I'll wait for as long as it takes.

[wordpix]

86. "I'll wait for as long as it takes"

as long as it doesn't take another 3 yrs.

[wishlist]

14. David Corn wrote about this= Fitz may want extension of investigation

David Corn wrote about the possibility of sealed indictments last week speculating that Fitz wants to wrap up some indictments now but continue the investigation since it is developing further and Bush may now be implicated through recent leaks.

http://www.davidcorn.com/archives/2005/10/sealed_indictme.php

[quaoar]

34. Indictments are often sealed

if the prosecutor is hopeful of flipping someone. The person is told of the indictment and given a last chance to come in and cut a deal.

Also, sometimes indictments are sealed because revealing them might compromise investigations of other people.

[fishwax]

89. Great article by David Corn, thanks for pointing it out

:thumbsup:

[LSparkle]

72. Even if they're sealed, won't recipients HAVE TO RESIGN?

Just because the info isn't public shouldn't relieve the targets of their obligation (unless they REALLY want to hurt their Dear Leader) to resign ... ???

[geniph]

78. You have to wait for conviction

remember, an indictment, like an impeachment, is essentially an accusation, and the recipient is considered "innocent until proven guilty."

After the convictions, then we'll insist the bastards resign.

Evidence of suspicion isn't proof of anything. Yet.

[LSparkle]

87. Except if Libby/Rove continue to work in WH and COVER UP ...

that they've been indicted FOR A COVER UP, doesn't that sort of make the case for conviction?

[benburch]

2. If you were waiting for "Fitzmas"...

You are waiting for a fantasy.

[crispini]

9. What? I'm happy with indictments, even if sealed.

Sounds like Fitzmas will be Thursday! :D

[benburch]

13. None of this is real until it actually happens.

I'll celebrate when something actually comes of it.

[GreenArrow]

25. it's absolutely shocking (or maybe not)

how seldom anyone has said that around here lately. "Don't count your chickens" might be a real worthwhile precept to keep in mind.

[crispini]

35. Oh, there have been gloom & doom-ers all over GD today.

Hope for the best, that's my motto!

[GreenArrow]

66. I'm not speculating one way or the other

That's not gloom and doom, it's caution. I do tend to be a cynical, pessimistic bastard though.

[crispini]

70. Speculation can be good, free entertainment.

As long as you keep one hand firmly planted in Reality, it's fun to let the other one wander where it may..... :evilgrin:

That wasn't a very good analogy, was it? :silly:

[benburch]

38. I posted this yesterday.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5153398&mesg_id=5153398

[stepnw1f]

16. Merry Fitzmas! (nt)

[Joe Chi Minh]

21. Did I detect a tremor in your voice?

[benburch]

27. No....

I've never thought anything would be allowed to come of this that made any difference.

[Name removed]

3. Deleted message

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[MaineDem]

6. Sarcasm, I assume?

Welcome to DU.

[PunkPop]

7. LOL

but you forget the sarcasm tag.

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

10. I hope you a just missing

a :sarcasm: in that post ;)

[Name removed]

11. Deleted message

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[sabra]

12. looking for the sarcasm tag?

welcome to DU, btw.

[RedEarth]

15. I hope you're not being serious....

if you are....then I hope you enjoyed your stay.

[Name removed]

20. Deleted message

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[NYC Liberal]

26. Guess not! Bye!

[saigon68]

31. ADIOS

Enjoy your very short stay

[RedEarth]

32. well, I guess we'll see ya later....

[calico1]

43. ......

buh bye--moran!

:nuke:

[dr.strangelove]

45. Sounds like Sarcasm

Can't be anything else, unless you suffer from some severe neurological disease that somehow impairs or alters how you process information. If its sarcasm, pretty f'ing funny. If its not, I am so sorry for your horrible illness and I wish you recovery. Wish that bush guy had given all the tax dollars that went to his oil buddies to stem cell research, maybe they could have cured you.

Anyway, I love your sense of humor. Welcome to DU and try to get the post count up so these guys will lay off you.

[DiverDave]

18. yes, he is serious

Hey, you misguided little man, this IS criminal.
Not even CLOSE to what they did to President Clinton.

So long!

[GreenArrow]

54. it's pretty clearly sarcasm

.

[Carni]

19. Take your diaper wearing self back to freak republic

Moran!

[Name removed]

37. Deleted message

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[crispini]

39. LOL!

A fine dry sense of humor. Welcome to DU. Don't mind the folks that think you're a freeper. That happens for awhile when you have a low post count.

[GreenArrow]

62. what's truly funny

is how many people have missed the sarcasm and resorted to invective.

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

42. LMFAO!

Hitler was a great man? :rofl:

[Occulus]

46. Whomever the leaker was ought to be publicly hanged,

but that's just my opinion.

The people who did this do not deserve their families, their safety, their security, or their citizenship.

If you don't understand how truly damaging this leak was, you aren't paying attention.

[RedEarth]

49. lol...that's great..

maybe you're not a freeper.

[calico1]

52. If you are not a freeper I apologize.

That is hilarious if it is sarcasm. However, since your post count is very low, you might try using something like this::sarcasm:
We have had a lot of freepers posting lately.

[PunkPop]

58. Folks!

Freepers aren't this funny. They also aren't this smart. Notice the good grammar - and spelling. Even when he misspells, he's aware of it.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

64. Yup. n/t

[Carni]

82. You may have a point about the spelling...

If that person is a comedian and not a freep then my apologies... but the OP sure sounded authentic!

[Tiggeroshii]

95. Man. These mods are brutal! I wish I had seen the rest. The only one of

his I saw was the first. But it really id truly sound sarcastic

[GreenArrow]

97. it was sarcasm

fairly heavy handed and obvious sarcasm at that.

Out come the wolves.

[benburch]

22. Welcome to DU!

A shame your stay will be so VERY short.

:nuke:

[wryter2000]

23. I feel your pain

all the noble achievements of Dick, Scooter,
Karl and company.

All those Iraqis still alive, all those dollars left unlooted in the Treasury. Oh, the humanity!

:sarcasm:

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

24. now thats how you do sarcasm!

:hi:

[wryter2000]

48. Thank you

:hi:

Sarcasm is the only way to deal with such dellusional thought. That, and the alert button.

[emulatorloo]

30. "hyper technical lawyer" has put away a few mobsters and terrorists.

Not sure what your precious Karl has done other than ruin the careers of a lot of good people with made up BS. . .

[BrainRants]

36. When these guys are outside the green zone in Baghdad

then they'll be one of the many things "between the American public and Osama and Saddam"

Until then, our brothers and sisters serving in Iraq are the only thing.

As you may recall...

It's not about sex...it's about the letter of the law.

BTW, welcome to DU!

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

40. COME ON PEOPLE, OF COURSE HE'S KIDDING!

Nobody could say some crazy ultra dumb shit like that and be serious.......Can they?

[Occulus]

41. I hope that was sarcasm...

...otherwise, I have to wonder how differently that would have read had you first pulled your head out, then started typing.

[Judi Lynn]

47. It's a great time to be MEpublican, isn't it?

What a party of legends, to be sure!

[HeeBGBz]

Simple little mistake?

The Bush Administration is depravity.

They can lie and destroy lives of our service people and intelligence people. They steal and line their pockets with blood money and you think they are good men?

What flavor koolaid have you been drinkin?

*okay, nevermind. I think you are just being sarcastic*

[Changenow]

67. Mods-Don't delete Mosley's comment

The deranged rationalizations of a freeper need to be heard to be believed:

Assuming the poster isn't kidding, the curious may still be interested:

That these good men, these Americans, who, in the service of their
country made a simple little mistake and now, an out of control
zealous prosecutor out to make a name for himself on their bones
will ruin and destroy all the noble achievements of Dick, Scooter,
Karl and company.

I mean, come on, this isn't exactly like besmirching the honor and
sanctity of the oval office with acts of depravity and fellatio.
This was simply trying to inform the American people of the real
world motivations of no goodniks like Joe Wilson. These men
are the only real barrier between the American public and Osama
and Saddam. And now, sadly, they are being decommisioned by some
hyper technical 'lawyer'.

So sad. So very very sad.

[Debi]

73. Mosely, are you humming God Bless America?

I swear, I can hear it in Iowa! :patriot:

[Name removed]

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[quaoar]

81. What about Lee Greenwood?

BTW, if you're being sarcastic, you might want to indicate it.

If you're a freeper I'll give you credit for stringing it out as long as you have by making folks wonder whether you are serious or not.

[longship]

74. Welcome to DU!

I agree. It's shameful that such wonderful patriots are being defamed by a partisan hack prosecutor.
:sarcasm:

Click the "Smilies lookup table"
:hi:

[mzmolly]

76. AHHHHHHHHHH.

Sarcasm.

:hi:

Welcome!

[Hepburn]

80. Eat shit and die and then...

...take your sorry ass back to Freak Republic where the rest of you traitor lovers hang out, ok?

[crispini]

4. Sealed.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh............... the suspense continues!!!!!!:banghead:

[wryter2000]

29. Tomorrow's Fitzmas Eve

I can wait. All the delicious anticipation. :bounce:

[crispini]

44. If they're sealed, I think I'm gonna be full-up with anticipation.

If they're sealed, we might not know WHO it is for MONTHS.

[wryter2000]

51. Okay

I think I'm on the right page now. Hmmmm...

On the other hand, it'll be hanging over the targets' heads for that long.

[drfresh]

59. Who could keep such a secret?

Its such a big story now, I'd bet somebody would leak who got the indictments even if they were sealed.

[quaoar]

61. If the indictments are sealed

I imagine Fitz will ask for the grand jury to be extended or for a new grand jury to be empaneled.

I also imagine that Fitz probably does not want to seek indictments just yet but has to show the district court that there is good reason to extend the probe beyond two years and indictments would do that.

[fooj]

88. If they are sealed, don't the people involved still get charged and booked

That's a way to find out, yes?

Peace.

[cassiepriam]

17. Only 1-5 indictments??

[wishlist]

28. Good chance recent leak developments require extension of probe

David Corn says possibly recent leak about Bush upbraiding Rove two years ago mean that Bush participated in the coverup and Fitz may want to go further in the investigation- This is his very interesting article from Oct 20

http://www.davidcorn.com/archives/2005/10/sealed_indictme.php

[cassiepriam]

53. if that is the case, good news.

I was feeling sick.

[Name removed]

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[crispini]

63. Of course.

Scotty said it, so it must be true. Because everyone knows that every word that comes out of Scott McClellan's mouth is the pure, honest truth. In fact, he's so pure, his breath is sweeter than candied pears, he pisses twenty-four karat gold, and he is SO forthright and straightforward, so downright HOLY, that he is pretty-near fit to wipe the Baby Jesus' ass!

You're right, of course; thank you for showing me the light.

[dr.strangelove]

65. I know bush is innocent ... the Flying Spaghetti Monster told me so

He grabbed me with his noodly appendages and told me.

From his noodly appendages to my ears, thats good enough for me.

[Debi]

77. Well, that and then there's the fact that Scotty said that Dick

Was doing a great job.

Does George even know what's going on? Does Pickles tie his shoes?

[wryter2000]

60. Could still be multiple counts and defendants

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5166422

See this post.

[RobertSeattle]

33. Faux News to start the "War on Fitzmas"

eom

[cassiepriam]

56. yes, the slime machine will be working overtime.

Poor Fitz. But I assume he is prepared for it. He knew what he was getting into. God help him.

[RobertSeattle]

68. At Faux it will be ""man The battlestations!"

Hume - you alledge Fitz is a Homo

Hannity - you alledge Fitz likes like boys

Geraldo - go break open an old vault

O'Reilly - call him a pinhead at least a dozen times tonight.

[Name removed]

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[Debi]

79. He's a workaholic dedicated to the cause of fighting evil and injustice

He's SUPERFITZ - who cares what his sexual orientation is? He's going to save us from the BFEE!

[Sal Minella]

83. Mosley, I hope you stick around.........

:toast: When your post count is a little higher, they'll stop throwing things at you.

[Tiggeroshii]

90. WOW That guy was Serious?

Sounded so crazy it had to have been sarcastic.. wowee

[RobertSeattle]

94. What did he/she/it say?

[crispini]

99. What? He was for real?

No no no no no... He must have been kidding. I find it hard to believe that any human being could be that over the top, for real.

[RobertSeattle]

93. Damn - I hate it when someone replies to my post - and I don't see it

Fitzmas is going to really bring out the lurkers.

[Career Prole]

50. The link's swamped...can't get through.

Every mother's child is apparently anxious for a peek at Santa Claus...
:D

[Ellen Forradalom]

69. Oh for God's sake how do we really know this is so?

Can we just think about something else until Friday?

[longship]

84. There is NO good news for the WH here.

None. Nada.

According to what's been said here sealed indictments mean either that Fitz wants to flip somebody or that he needs to empanel another grand jury to complete the investigation, or both. Either way, it would appear that more indictments may be coming and this investigation is not over.

This is probably the best news we can hear. It means that Fitz ain't stopping with Rove, Libby, and other staffers. I'll bet the WH is in utter chaos today.

Feel sorry for the Chimp. Send him bottles of Jim Beam to help him cope. Poor guy's gonna need a big supply.

[katty]

85. BRING IT ON!

[elehhhhna]

91. Sealed indictments still leak.

We'll know who, soon, sealed or not.

[emulatorloo]

98. When Rove's eternally yapping lawyer falls silent, we will know

and there will be other signs. . .when Scooter gets his mugshot, we will know

etc

[elehhhhna]

92. Sealed indictments still leak.

We'll know who, soon, sealed or not.