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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:16 AM
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"EVERYONE thought..." Ummm no...including NOT the CIA...
Edited on Wed Oct-26-05 07:22 AM by LynnTheDem
Doubts, Dissent Stripped from Public Version of Iraq Assessment

The public version of the U.S. intelligence community's key prewar assessment of Iraq's illicit arms programs was stripped of dissenting opinions, warnings of insufficient information and doubts about deposed dictator Saddam Hussein's intentions, a review of the document and its once-classified version shows.

As a result, the public was given a far more definitive assessment of Iraq's plans and capabilities than President Bush and other U.S. decision-makers received from their intelligence agencies.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0210-02.htm

CIA to Bush: 'No clear Evidence of WMD'
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/120103A.shtml

Why the CIA thinks Bush is wrong

The president says the US has to act now against Iraq. The trouble is, his own security services don't agree.
http://www.sundayherald.com/28384

CIA in blow to Bush attack plans

The letter also comes at a time when the CIA is competing with the more hawkish Pentagon, which is also supplying the White House with intelligence on the Iraqi threat.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,808970,00.html

White House 'exaggerating Iraqi threat'
Bush's televised address attacked by US intelligence

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,807286,00.html

Depiction of Threat Outgrew Supporting Evidence
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A39500-2003Aug9?language=printer

CIA Chief: No 'Imminent Threat'
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/02/24/iraq/main601876.shtml

CIA's October 2002 NIE:

-Unmanned aircraft
" ... The Director, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance, US Air Force, does not agree that Iraq is developing UAVs primarily intended to be delivery platforms for chemical and biological warfare (CBW) agents. The small size of Iraq's new UAV strongly suggests a primary role of reconnaissance, although CBW delivery is an inherent capability."
http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/reports/2004/australia_iraq-wmd-intell_01mar04_appendixf.pdf

bushit:

-"We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs for missions targeting the United States."
http://www.alternet.org/story/16274/

CIA's October 2002 NIE:

-WMD
"We lack specific information on many key aspects of Iraq's WMD programs."
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/special_packages/iraq/intelligence/11279942.htm

bushit:

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction."

"We know for a fact that there are weapons there."

"There can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons and the capability to rapidly produce more, many more."

"Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly"

"There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction."

"We know where they are."

CIA's October 2002 NIE:

-Nuclear program
"The activities we have detected do not, however, add up to a compelling case that Iraq is currently pursuing what INR would consider to be an integrated and comprehensive approach to acquire nuclear weapons."
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=24889

bushit:

"Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program."

MOST AMERICANS OPPOSED invading Iraq UNLESS the UN inspectors FOUND actual hidden WMD;


January 22, 2003; US Public Want to Give UN Inspectors More Time

Seven in 10 Americans would give U.N. weapons inspectors months more to pursue their arms search in Iraq...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A23564-2003Jan21

So bush kicked the weapons inspectors out of Iraq 90 days before they were finished.

BUSH LIED. The US "media" covered up. Americans were punk'd.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:19 AM
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1. I think the MSM is finally catching on
I mainly listen to CNN but lately, more than one talking head has brought up the subject of a war based on lies...

it's something ;)
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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:20 AM
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2. In other countries
they call this FRAUD
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:20 AM
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3. Did you see my rant when Bill Kristol said "WE all thought he had WMD"
Edited on Wed Oct-26-05 07:21 AM by Hissyspit
on the Daily Show a couple of days ago? I was so pissed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5158503&mesg_id=5158503

I name dropped you, too. :P
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:23 AM
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4. I've said it before and I'll say it again
If we are saved from this insanity, this coup d' madness that has overtaken our country, it will be because of the internet(s). If it weren't for lexis nexis and google, if there wasn't this world-wide database of information that ordinary people could reach with little effort, the world would have been doomed from the get-go.

Truth, though rarely spoken in MSM, was documented and retained. It did not fall down the memory hole. Truth is linkable.

Thanks for this post.
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:23 AM
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5. I've said it before and I'll say it again
If we are saved from this insanity, this coup d' madness that has overtaken our country, it will be because of the internet(s). If it weren't for lexis nexis and google, if there wasn't this world-wide database of information that ordinary people could reach with little effort, the world would have been doomed from the get-go.

Truth, though rarely spoken in MSM, was documented and retained. It did not fall down the memory hole. Truth is linkable.

Thanks for this post.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:23 AM
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6. Including DU
back when people called us traitors and tin foil hatters. All of the facts that are coming out now were originally posted and discussed right here when they first happened.

We knew before the war that the Niger documents were forgeries. We knew that UN Weapons inspectors weren't finding anyting new in Iraq. Scott Ritter was all over the place exposing BushCo's lies about Saddam. We called our Congressmen, heck I even called the WH to beg Bush not to go to war. Millions of people around the world held peaceful demonstrations begging BushCo no to go to war. We knew that the war was based on lies.

We knew and we know a lot more.

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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:30 AM
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8. What's that line that Jon Bonifaz uses...1st they ignore you, then
they laugh at you, then you win? Is that it?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:35 AM
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9. I think it was Ghandi
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win."

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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:46 AM
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10. Yes. 1st it was Ghandi Bonifaz has been using it for months now.
Jon Bonifaz is wonderful.
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northamericancitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:25 AM
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7. Thanks. Recommended. Good recap. nt
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:14 AM
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11. Mainstream media can go screw themselves
For parroting Bush & Co's lies.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:21 AM
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12. NO one, NO ONE BUT the bush admin ever said that iraq had wmds... They
were the ONLY entity to make those assertions.

I defy ANYONE to find any other source of allegations or information that iraq had WMDS.

The bush admin is the SOLE SOURCE of the entire fabricated pile of shit.

Don't let anyone tell you any different.

NOT the CIA, NOT the FBI, NOT interpol, NOT the UN, NOT NATO.

NO. ONE.

BUT the bush administration.

And it all began with the 1998 Rumsfeld Commssion on Ballistic Missiles. Yes.

Donald Fucking Rumsfeld.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:24 AM
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13. I think more than just the Niger documents were forged.
Remember all of those pictures and reports that they used to create the appearance of evidence? I think it is possible every single one of those was a forgery and that would include information given to Congressional committees. I would find it hard to believe that isn't a crime as well.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 10:59 AM
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14. Kick
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