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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:50 PM
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Limbaugh called Female Officers "orificers" over Armed Forces Radio
Edited on Wed Oct-26-05 12:52 PM by Tom Rinaldo
In May of 2004. He was all worked up over "Abu Ghraib" at the time.

"...In fact, William Lindh, who directs the Center for Cultural Conservatism at the Free Congress Foundation writes in a column this week that the apparent breakdown in discipline from the MPs at Abu Grab may relate to the presence of women and especially to the fact that the commander was a woman. The climate of political correctness or to give it its true name, 'Cultural Marxism..."

(Laughing). Well, okay. (Laughing.) "...Cultural Marxism that has infested and overwhelmed the American armed forces makes it almost impossible to discipline a woman, and risky for a man to attempt to do so. Whatever the reason, one theme is clear: Abu Grab was a disaster waiting to happen. Rules on uniforms were not enforced, soldiers wrote poems and other sayings on their helmets..." Oh, really? Are you telling me that these brutes, these brutes who did all these horrible, insulting things to these people, wrote poetry? Come on, how does that happen? Poets are gentle little flowers wilting in the breeze. Well, it might have been limericks, but anyway, so they wrote poems and other sayings on their helmets, saluting of "orificers" was not forced..."

William Lind (correct spelling) whom Limbaugh was quoting did not use the term "orificers", that was all Rush.

Limbaugh was so worked up over Abu Grab that on May 13, 2004 he said, regarding the prisoner abuse photos, that Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) could have Representatives "Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi act them out for him". On May 27, Limbaugh responded to a report that women have been recently appointed as police chiefs in four major U.S. cities by stating, "I guess we can watch out for some naked pyramids among prisoners in these new jailhouses ... because we had a woman running (Abu Ghraib)". There is more like this, gathered by "Media Matters" at http://mediamatters.org/items/200406030005

OK, this is old news, why talk about it now? For one thing because of the peculiar arguments given by the Defense Department for why it is appropriate for Armed Forces Radio to air Rush Limbaugh, but not Howard Stern.

From the June 2,2004 edition of Wolf Blitzer Reports:

"VOICEOVER: There is no direct liberal talk show counterpart to Limbaugh, but, they point out, no liberal broadcaster has built such a huge audience at home.

BARBER: It's not about conservative or liberal, it's about the full selection of radio programming which is based on popularity here in the states.

VOICEOVER: Still, Howard Stern has millions of fans, and his show is not sent to the troops.

BARBER: Well, his issue is one of content that's not appropriate."

That's Allison Barber by the way, deputy assistant secretary of defense for public affairs.

National Public Radio did some excellent in depth coverage of this back on June4th of 2004, where Allison Barber defended Armed Forces Radio broadcasting the above and other remarks by Limbaugh.

"ALLISON BARBER: The challenge for us is that part of our policy is also that we are prohibited to manipulate or censor, so not only is that something that is aired, because we're not allowed to manipulate to censor programming, we also air news and information where people are sometimes critical of our troops. But the bottom line is the men and women in the military are smart people. They hear that as just somebody's opinion. They don't have to listen to it. They have options. They can turn off or turn on whoever they want to.

BOB GARFIELD: Well, not whoever they want to. They can't turn on, for example, Howard Stern, the second most highly rated radio program in America and one that has taken a decided anti-Bush administration turn the last six months. If they can turn on Rush Limbaugh to hear him rant about feminazis, why can't they hear Howard Stern?

ALLISON BARBER: To be honest with you, our troops haven't asked for Howard Stern. We have some issues with some of the sexual content of Howard Stern, just like most Americans do."

Earlier on the same broadcast Garfield interviewed Salon.com senior writer Eric Boehlert:

"BOB GARFIELD: In your piece, you spoke to the director of American Forces Radio, and he says "Why, we do have balance to Rush Limbaugh. We have--?"

ERIC BOEHLERT: NPR.

BOB GARFIELD: Okay, and that, and that counterbalances Rush Limbaugh and his assertion that the Abu Ghraib abuses and torture and possibly murders were nothing more than fraternity pranks. That counterbalances that how?

ERIC BOEHLERT: You know, that's the question. I mean you have NPR, Morning Edition is broadcast; Talk of the Nation is broadcast. If you listen to those shows, you don't hear one person behind a microphone for 60 minutes talking about how women activists are equivalent to Nazis. So the idea that you can have Rush Limbaugh degrade Democrats for 60 minutes a day and then flip on Weekend Edition where you're going to interview poets and do some news updates -- that's not a balance. That's not even close."

By all means read the full transcript here:http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/transcripts_060404_grunts.html

Well Howard Stern still isn't broadcast on Armed Forces Radio, but after the above controversy over a year ago, moderate liberal Ed Shultz was finally scheduled to be added to the AFR lineup until the very same Allison Barber called his producer hours before the first show was set to air to say it wasn't going to happen, supposedly because Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita was out of the country and couldn't’t approve it. Barber also said she was going out of the country soon for a week-and-a-half. When Shultz producer Holm asked Barber if the show would begin when DiRita and Barber returned, Barber said she couldn't’t guarantee that. Click here to read a transcript of Ed Shultz on Keith Oberman's show talking about it: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9750784/

Allison Barber is the woman who got caught on film rehearsing the questions troops would be asking George Bush in his "unscripted" video call to Iraq a short while back. But who is Larry DiRita? A long time top aid to Donald Rumsfeld it turns out, who seems to have some problems with a free press, according to this washingtonian.com report:

"Pentagon to Washington Post Reporter Ricks: Get Lost.

When George Bush’s Pentagon doesn't’t like what a reporter writes, it attempts a preemptive strike.

In the case of Tom Ricks, military reporter for the Washington Post, the Pentagon took the attack right to the heart of the enemy. Defense Department spokesman Larry DiRita first sent a letter of complaint to the Post; then he met with the paper’s top editors to press his points.

Ricks is one of the most senior defense reporters in the country. He covered military affairs for the Wall Street Journal for 17 years and has been doing the same for the Post since 1999. He’s written two books about the military, one about the Marines and a novel about the US intervention in Afghanistan, published four months before the United States sent in troops."
http://www.washingtonian.com/inwashington/buzz/tomricks.html

Or read about DiRita's attacks on Seymour Hersh, well researched and presented here: http://archives.his.com/intelforum/2005-January/msg00045.html

Or what about DiRita's reaction to the discovery that a purported Defense Intelligence Agency cable that "proved" a noted media critic of the U.S. in Iraq was an Iraq spy was in fact forged?:

Fake Cable Labeled Writer a Spy for Iraq

By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, March 18, 2005; Page C01

"Someone has gone to a great deal of trouble to produce a document accusing journalist and activist William Arkin of serving as a spy for Saddam Hussein...

...In a letter to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Arkin said: "I am extremely concerned that someone familiar with Defense Department classified reporting has forged this document and given it to the press in the hope that it would be reported as genuine. Such an action raises deeply troubling questions about the integrity of the department's processes and raises the possibility of an organized effort to intimidate me as a journalist."

DiRita said an investigation is "not likely. It is probably not possible to determine the source of such a matter, and I am unaware of any involvement in it by someone inside the department that would warrant a further look."

There is more but this is more than enough. We need to slam these people on this now. Support Wes Clark's call for action. Demand that Congress act. Now. No more Right Wing media monopoly.
http://ga4.org/campaign/edschultz










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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:53 PM
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1. They dont care
As long as Rash stays on point for the military industrial complex running the White House. Good post Rinaldo.

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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:53 PM
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2. They should throw his drug riddled ass off the military airwaves.
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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 12:57 PM
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3. Wait, it's Ted Kennedy's fault that they write Poetry at Abu Ghraib. . .
Exactly how many drugs do you have to do in a given day to think like Rush? I'm just asking.
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 01:06 PM
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4. as a military brat with two fathers who served, I think he should be
boiled in oil for saying things like that. ONE THING these idiots do not realize is that in the military you are required to keep your politics private and there are more democrats in the military than they think. The republicans just break the rule and mouth off more.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 01:07 PM
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5. As a militrary wife (and former oficer for somebody
else's military I can attest to it) Politics stays out of the wardroom
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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 01:12 PM
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6. Anyone actually SERVING in the armed forces
Would be facing the end of his/ her career plus UCMJ action for such a remark and rightly so. What a gOD d@mned scumbag.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 01:36 PM
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7. It's another side to the Chicken Hawk syndrome
Where war mongering civilians get to say they "support our troops" while setting them up as cannon fodder in ideological wars without the resources they need, without the diplomacy that can save their lives, telling their potential enemies to "bring it on", belittling the real concept of honor that underlies the best our military has to offer, after having personally avoided military service. It sickens me, and I do not want someone like Rush Limbaugh to have a monopoly on the airwaves broadcast to our troops.

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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 01:48 PM
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8. Sure - poetry from these guys - "There once was a girl from Nantucket "
...
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 02:04 PM
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9. All of this demonstrates the difficulty in discerning between Rush's
"Oxy-Contin hole" and the drug's final outlet on its exit route.

By the right-wing's own definition on such matters, shouldn't this be considered undermining the military leadership, debasing our troops, and thus aiding the enemy?
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 02:34 PM
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10. Left out the link to the faked "spy" cable story
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:17 PM
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11. A couple of more tidbits about Larry DiRita
Here is one related to the Senate Armed Services Committee hearings on prisoner abuse in Afghanixtan and Iraq:

"When the Taguba report (see March 9, 2004), which together with all its 106 annexes includes 6,000 pages, is delivered by the Pentagon to the Senate Armed Services Committee, some 2,000 pages are missing, withheld by the Defense Department. Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita calls this an “oversight.” Nevertheless, the missing pages contain key documents, internal Army memos and e-mails, sworn statements by soldiers, officers, contractors, and prisoners. It also includes the final section of Taguba's interview with Col. Thomas M. Pappas. The missing annexes of the Taguba report hold evidence that the abuse was not conducted solely by a few MPs acting on their own, but instead at the instigation and with the involvement of military intelligence personnel."
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-2906

And here we have him caught lying to the Press:

"GUANTANAMO BAY
Larry DiRita's Disgraceful Deception

Maybe it's not all Newsweek's fault after all. Yesterday, the administration admitted "that U.S. troops mishandled Qurans of Muslim prisoners five times at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba." According to military officials, one soldier responsible for an incident of Quran mistreatment was subject to "unspecified disciplinary action ... some time ago." The admission comes just days after Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita not only denied that Qurans were mishandled but denied that there were any credible allegations to investigate. On May 17, DiRita said, "when a specific, credible allegation of this nature were to be received, we would take it quite seriously. But we've not seen specific, credible allegations." We know now that DiRita's statement was completely false. Not only have there been credible allegations, but those allegations were substantiated and an individual was punished."
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=712369

And this is the guy who is holding up Ed Shultz airing on Armed Forces Radio? After Limbaugh has already been there for 10 years?


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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:21 PM
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12. I'd Like to see a woman officer challenge Him publicly to a fight.n/t
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:51 PM
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13. Hey, most of the military supports this asshole, they deserve to have him.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:56 PM
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15. Most of the white working class may have supported him for years, but
the world doesn't deserve Limbaugh, let alone the white working class or the military, or any other group that has swung Republican over the last decade. Brainwashing is brainwashing. If Right wing media goes unchallenged long enough it will work its evil
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:52 PM
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14. Wow, way to boost the troops' morale, Oxy-ASSHOLE.
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:57 PM
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16. Reminds me of the scene from "Falling Down"
where the Army Navy store owner calls the female police officer, "officerette".
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:04 PM
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17. Well, he is speaking as a veteran..oh, wait..
What was it? Oh yeah, the terrible handicap of anal warts.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:08 PM
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18. Well, it's true, Rush duse anal warts as an excuse to shirk the Military
Edited on Wed Oct-26-05 08:09 PM by SpiralHawk
But you sure wouldn't want to hold them against him.

Eeeewwwwwwwww.

(Unless you were Totally Doped up on Oxycontin, or some other pharmaESCAPE drug; no, not even then).

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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:52 PM
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19. So are people acting on this? It is easy for us to blast Limbaugh
But he is still on Armed Forces Radio, and he still has a complete monopoly on "political commentary" there. That really bothers me. That's why I made the effort to dig some of this crap up about what Limbaugh is saying on the air and who is enabling him to speak unopposed.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 11:25 AM
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20. Has anyone gotten a reply to their email or letters regarding Shultz?
I haven't, except for a Thank You from Clark for having sent them. I was wondering if anyone has heard from their Senator or Congressperson on this?
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 11:33 AM
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21. They have given Ed Schultz a gift, in a way.
The more they resist him, the more interested people become. i find Big Ed to be a great inroad into political fence-sitters, and moderates. He has a booming voice like Rush, and a message that doesn't always follow a party line. He is a gem for us, even if you don't always agree with the guy. He reaches out to those that arent' going to log on to DU, or sign up for Move On.org emails. He's got the type of delivery that will keep those angry-white-men interested, while he's infusing them with knowledge and common sense stuff.

He absolutely needs to be on AFR. No question. In the meantime, Allison Barber and Larry DeRita are making a huge error in giving Ed all that great publicity.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-27-05 11:50 AM
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22. To be honest I only heard him once
I don't listen to much radio. He seemed pretty much the way you describe him. So I guess I am an example of that "great publicity" effect you described. Now I am interested in what Schultz has to say, and I damn well think that if Limbaugh has a right to say what he does on AFR than Shultz should have that right too.
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