Richard Sale: Indictments will be announced TODAY

[Zen Democrat]

Word from a government official -- indictments announced later today and Fitzgerald press conference tomorrow.

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2005/10/updateleak_indi.html

[alcibiades_mystery]

1. wrong again, apparently

n/t

[babylonsister]

2. Am I on a

rollercoaster? :silly: I hope you're right!

[alcibiades_mystery]

9. No, this thing is on a loop

Like Muzack.

:-)

[sweettater]

3. well, hell fire let's get on with it

I'm about to have a nervous breakdown!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AFSCME girl]

8. Yikes! Me, too....

I don't know how many more days of this I can take!

:hi:

[OldLeftieLawyer]

4. Try this:

Instead of relying on specious "insiders," why not wait for Patrick Fitzgerald to finish his job?

No one knows anything.

Keep that in mind.

[TheCowsCameHome]

5. Good advice. And hope for the best..................

Hope you're not going to bill me for this post. 8>)

[OldLeftieLawyer]

11. Too late

The bill is in the mail ..............

;)

[TheCowsCameHome]

14. OK. So's my check........................

8.)

[OldLeftieLawyer]

17. HAHAHAHA!

Oh, those Big Lies will be the laughing deaths of us all ..........

Have one on me ...........

[Zen Democrat]

7. Hmmm. Me thinks Messrs. Rove and Libby know.

Of course, you're right. But it's Fitzmas -- and we have waited a long, long time.

Everyone has an opinion or a feeling here -- I think that Fitzgerald is finishing up the Round 1 indictments, and moving on to the next round with a new GJ. I don't know how Cheney's heart is gonna stand it.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

12. How do you know all this stuff?

I'm in DC, with all these connected colleagues, and no one has heard anything like that.

So, tell me how you found this stuff out, please.

[Zen Democrat]

15. It's just the Sherlock Holmes in me.

Roll Call reported that Fitz visited Luskin yesterday at Patton Boggs. Seems to me that means he was offering Rove a deal to cop a plea. This could have been done long before this. My nose tells me that Fitz is looking ahead to an investigation beyond exposing Valerie Wilson. Rove is close to Michael Ledeen. And Ledeen is at the bottom of the Niger forgeries. Anyone here familiar with Ledeen's politics? He is the author of "Universal Fascism."

That Fitz had his FBI guy running down the neighbors to put them on record as to Wilson's undercover status tells me that he's indicting somebody on the leak charge and is closing holes -- just in case anyone is thinking about witness tampering (Fitz has prosecuted the Gambino family, so he would know to be proactive about such things).

I'm just a student of history and current events, a consumer of information, processing and sifting as it comes along.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

18. Ah, I see

Speculation.

Interesting theories you have there.

Never trust "Roll Call," by the way. It's like trusting the Congressional Record ......

[onenote]

19. I know exactly how you feel!

I'm in DC too and if there was real info out there, I'm pretty sure it would have made its way around to me by now. And I'm not that high up on anyone's list to tell!

onenote

[OldLeftieLawyer]

21. Aren't you impressed with the leakproof investigation?

In my three decades in Washington, I've never seen such a tightly-held project. Not a peep out of anyone.

This is the stuff that legends are made of, and, if we're lucky, Fitzgerald has set the standard by which all future investigations - and there will be more, there will be - will be conducted.

[WiseButAngrySara]

24. I've never really understood the advantage of 'leaking' by a Prosecutor.

Not only is it unethical, I can't see what could be gained, other than applying pressure to people who haven't divulged the entire truth, by leaking info. that other's stories have contradicted theirs?

[OldLeftieLawyer]

25. Ken Starr made a career out of leaking

He was a twisted, media-hungry whore, though, which isn't why prosecutors usually leak.

It's like letting the boys on the street know that their buddy has been talking to the cops - it gets him to talk faster and faster, and it also sends some of the boys on the street to talk to the cops themselves.

Fitzgerald has managed to conduct this investigation without using that old trick, and I applaud him for it.

[WiseButAngrySara]

34. O.K. Thanks. That helped. Ken Starr and KKKRove are look-alikes

to me, and their evil, Machiavellian, political machinations are probably similar as well. Glad to hear that your opinion is that Fitz has higher standards.

[onenote]

32. You're right about this one...but I wonder about the next one

This seems to be such an aberration in terms of maintaining secrecy. By the way, I was talking to my dad the other night -- he's 91 and was a government attorney for more than 30 years (and was targeted in the early 50's by then Cong. Nixon because of his political leanings). He said that in 70 years of observing politics in this town he can't recall an administration so screwed up as this one...

onenote

[OldLeftieLawyer]

35. I've heard that from some oldsters, too

They are absolutely mystified about how this bunch of thugs gets away with so much.

Well, we can thank Tom DeLay for taking away the old and honored tradition of cooperation and courtliness that once made even the most opposite Congressmen and Senators listen and compromise and do what was best, not just for themselves and/or their constituents, but for the country.

DeLay made it a zero-sum game, and that brought an end to civility in Congress. After that, all was lost, and the White House has run amok.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

13. What heart?? Oh, you mean that fake one?? n/t

[redacted]

16. OLL: CNN and NY Sun say Fitz met with Judge -- if that IS ACTUALLY true

what would it mean. or is there no way to tell.

BTW with respect to speculation:

I have theory that people are just throwing up any old junk on websites (including the MSM) just to draw the traffic for advertising $$$$$.

And I should know -- I am in advertising.

(Well really I am a giant step up from advertising, but for purposes here -- it's advertising.)


edited for idiotic typing and poor proofreading

[OldLeftieLawyer]

20. Yeah, they can say anything they want

The only fact we have is a simple one (Zen in advertising, as it were):

No one knows anything.

All in good time.

You're right. It's all about getting people to their websites. They're throwing up all sorts of crap, meaningless, unsubstantiated drivel.

[redacted]

22. THNX. Agreed. And if you want a big time hilarious laugh go to:

Tom Flocco or Skolnick's websites.

Someone sent them to me. Hysterical.

Better than any X Files episode.

Except the person who sent them (very sweet, not too bright) took them seriously and I'm not too sure how to approach that one. Best to just pretend I never got them, I guess.

;-) redacted

[longship]

6. Damnit! Which is it?

He will. He won't. He will!!! He won't!@!!!!!!

Arrrrrghhhhhh1!!!!!!!! :nuke:

Where's that single malt scotch. Gulk, gulk, gulk, gulk, GULK!

Ahhhhhh! So mush better!

[Mutley]

10. No one really knows.

This person says today, that person says tomorrow, and that person says never. We'll know when they come down. Anything until then is pure speculation. Not that there is anything wrong with speculation, as long as you realize it's speculation.

[ToolTex]

27. I have a slightly different take. What makes you think no one

besides Fitz, his staff, the jury, and the judge, know what is really going on? This is important stuff to some people. Do you really think Rove, Libby & Co are just going to be sitting around wringing their hands wondering whatzup? This is their survival.

They have the CIA, the FBI, more available money than god, the NSC, Mil Intel, Cheney's own shadow intel, and help of the richest criminals in the world. They can know and follow the movement of every juror, every place a staffer or Fitz or the judge go. They have the ability to plant and monitor every spoken word by all of those people. They have the ability to read everything typed or printed by all those people.

Over 60 years ago our government, (when it was ours), could monitor and decode every order between Hitler and his commanders and at far distance, is it even slightly imaginable that they can not have the Federal Court House in DC bugged. And if they can do it, do you actually believe they are too principled or to frightened not to have done it? What would stop them. Fear of getting caught? That isn't much of an argument - they have already been caught. Are you counting on that "Fool me once- uhhh" thing? Rove bugged his own office for gods sake. These are cornered dogs.

So now assuming that Rove & Co know every word spoken, and that the leaks and "news" are coming from their spin and plants - now what does it really all mean?

Back to square number one. No way to know what to believe, so we just have to wait for Fitzgerald to tell us. But I don't think it is because no one knows anything. I think it is because the truth is surrounded by a bodyguard of lies. (Last sentence is not original).

[Mutley]

33. I never said Rove and Libby don't know what is going on...

But if you've been on DU off and on all day as I have, you'll know that there have been many many posts like this -- some saying that the indictments will be today, some saying they'll be tomorrow, some saying Fitz will get an extension, some saying the indictments won't come down at all. How is one to know what to believe? So, I choose to believe it is all speculation until the indictments actually come down.

[ToolTex]

36. You're right Mutley, you didn't. I think we both reached conclusion.

There is just no way to know what is real!

[GumboYaYa]

23. My grandfather had a holiday tradition.

Each Christmas the grandchildren could open one present an hour. That way he got to see the kids play with their gifts and the holiday spread out longer for everyone. Of course all us kids complained, but my grandfather had one pat response to every complaint.

PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE.

[terrya]

26. It's 5PM in Washington. It ain't gonna happen today.

Tomorrow.

[Mz Pip]

29. It's 11am in Hawaii

Maybe he'll do it here. :-)

Mz Pip
:dem:

[robbedvoter]

28. That ship has sailed.

[Dave Reynolds]

30. 5:04 pm, nothing during normal work hours.

Mr. Sale appears to be incorrect.

I am gathering grains of salt for anymore "tomorrow is the day!!!" predictions.

[truebrit71]

31. Apparently the word is " "....'cuz nothing...

...has happened as of yet...