Why in the Hell are They Still Debating Valerie Wilson's CIA Status?

[leftchick]

On Hardball just now...I thought the questions about her status were answered two years ago. Tweety is grilling two attorneys whether she really was a NOC. And they are talking about the FBI visits to the Wilson's neighbor's last night. Is this really still a question to people what her status was? Why in the hell would the CIA want an investigation if she was not in NOC?

:shrug:

on edit: Larry Johnson is on wolfie now slamming the traitors and talking about valerie's job!

[justiceischeap]

1. Cause there's really nothing else to talk about

At least that they are allowed to talk about.

[Jacobin]

2. Well, if you listen to Faux News

Its a given that she wasn't covert.

So when those RW dingbats come out into decent company, they start spewing their cultish drivel, other people have to swat down the stupid lie talking point again.

[Lex]

3. And why does it matter if Joseph Wilson is "credible?"

They blew the cover of Valerie Plame--that has *nothing* to do with whether Joe Wilson is credible.

[No Exit]

4. I think the only reason Fitz sent FBI out to the neighbors this late is

because he was probably responding to a question/concern from a grand juror.

[emulatorloo]

5. Tweety slapped down a bushbot a few nights ago for this . . .

telling her that indeed Plame was covert.

I'll go look for a video clip and past a link in later if I find one.

Maybe he is batting at them like a cat for his amusement?

OK HERe thank to the can of fun person:

http://www.canofun.com/blog/videos/hardballgoodmanmorganoct2105.wmv

[robbedvoter]

6. Because they never let go of a bone. Did anyone admit yet Whitewater

was a hoax? Exactly.

[Richard Steele]

7. Desperate attempts to muddy the waters of public opinion.

Since the FACTS aren't on their side,
all they can do is attempt to throw
out so much BS that people become confused.

No, there is NOT any real question.

The CIA says she was NOC: end of debate.

[Junkdrawer]

45. Bingo...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5171155&mesg_id=5171155

[CTyankee]

8. Yep, you're right

And this claim that "everyone" knew she worked at CIA is laughable. Even before the story today that Fitz interviewed Valerie's neighbors about whether they knew where she worked, I was outraged that Repubs said such loose generalities. Exactly how did they know that "everyone" knew? Was a poll taken? Please give me evidence to back up your statement. Mon Dieu!

[VolcanoJen]

9. You'd be impressed with the segment on CNN right now.

The segment opened with the reporter saying, "What harm was done when Valerie Plame's identity was revealed? For one, the United States lost a veteran undercover agent, and asset."

The focus of the story was CIA officials who, off-record, have told reporters that the revelations "damaged" the CIA.

CNN seems to be operating on the "Valerie Plame was a covert CIA operative whose identity was revealed via Bob Novak's column" premise, overall.

Larry Johnson is on opposite Wolf now, and he concurs that Plame was a United States intelligence resource that was destroyed.

In terms of Novak's insistence that Plame's status was no secret, Johnson says that Novak is lying, or has demonstrated that he doesn't know what he's talking about. In terms of Cliff May's same insistence, Johnson says he has no respect for May, and that his information on this issue has been repeatedly inaccurate.

This seems like a blockbuster... Johnson says that Plame has received death threats originating with Al-Qaeda. Has he implied this before? Wolf seemed a bit taken aback by it.

Excellent segment.

[leftchick]

12. just Flipped to it Jen

Johnson is great!

[SammyWinstonJack]

10. Because the current Administration is Republican?

Who else thinks so? Or is my cynical side showing?

[leftchick]

11. omg wolfie is defending CLIFF MAY!

as a fine journalist! :puke:

[writes2000]

13. Valerie Plame Outing = Brewster Jennings Outing.

It's very easy to understand. The entire covert company wouldn't have been outed with Valerie being outed.

[seabeyond]

14. he stated at beginning emphatically that she was undercover n/t

[emulatorloo]

20. and a COURAGEOUS AMERICAN n/t

[Name removed]

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[LSK]

17. ummm Wilson was an ambassador in Africa

And he personnally knew the leaders of Niger.

You might want to know FACTS before you open your mouth and prove how ignorant you are.

Hope you enjoyed your short stay here troll.

[Swamp Rat]

19. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

:rofl:

[madmom]

26. YOU..

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
are sooo clever! (what an idjut!!)

[Swamp Rat]

29. How many posts does it take to get to the center...

... of a freepypop? :D

[LSK]

34. had any trollypops lately?

Nice pic! :thumbsup:

[leftchick]

40. crap I missed the freeptard!

thanks for the drive by photo though!

;)

[Swamp Rat]

42. Check your Inbox

;)

[leftchick]

46. RIP freeptard

or not! Thanks swamp rat....

:rofl:

[EstimatedProphet]

37. Byebye Freeper

You have been weighed
You have been measured
And you have been found wanting.

[Swamp Rat]

16. Because THEY can...

Bushler&Co can get on TV and lie directly into the camera with no consequences.

[leftchick]

18. hi ya swamp rat!

:hi:

I needed one of your graphics right now! :)

[Swamp Rat]

21. Way'at leftchick!!

:hi:

Psst! Look above. :D

[leftchick]

25. I think I may have nightmares!

:hide:

[converted_democrat]

22. Cause that's all they got....................n/t

[chat_noir]

23. I gritted my teeth watching this video compilation from Media Matters

Still more leak investigation falsehoods


http://mediamatters.org/items/200510260002

[Mike03]

24. What does NOC stand for?

I was hoping someone else would ask first, so I would not have to reveal my ignorance. I know what it means, but I want to know what it is an acronym for.

[nookiemonster]

27. Non-official cover.

Meaning, she was COVERT!

[Mike03]

30. Many Thanks

Been curious about that ever since I saw "Mission:Impossible."

[nookiemonster]

31. Certainly!

:)

n/t

[leftchick]

28. Non Official Cover...

They are the ones most vulnerable out in the field. She changed to Covert Status a couple of years ago when she started working at Langley, but she still is supposed to be held to the same standard of cover. No One Should Have Known Who Did Not Have Clearance to Know.

[nookiemonster]

32. Yep.

And also clearance is only one part of the requirement, a "need to know" is also required.

Speaking from experience.

:)

[leftchick]

33. really?

do tell!

:popcorn:

[nookiemonster]

35. USAF. WS133 weapon system (Minuteman II - LGM30F)

Required to have a TS/BI (Top Secret / Background investigation). Heard stories from my folks and friends about DIS (Defense investigative service) asking all kinds of weird shit about me.

Nothing is miniscule to these folks. They're pretty hardcore. It wasn't what I knew, it was the equipment that I had to carry with me.

Interesting career field, to say the least. Of course, my sorry ass was stuck in South Dakota for 4 years.

BRRRRRRR..


Pic is "footshot" from Vandenberg AFB, CA


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minuteman_missile

edited for clarification and photo

[leftchick]

41. very interesting!

and kind of scary at the same time.

[nookiemonster]

43. We were a pretty tightknit group.

And yes, cold war weapons were damn scary. It was always in the back of one's mind.

Check out my unit patch (currently deactivated)

Pretty straightforward, huh?




:)

[leftchick]

44. yes indeed

It always amazes me how many interesting jobs so many DUers have or had. I learn so very much here.

:)

[Mike03]

36. Wow

I'm wondering then, if someone is NOC, it's actually more dangerous than being covert because if the agent gets into trouble, the agency can just wash it hands? Is that it?

[nookiemonster]

38. Remember the old adage from "Mission Impossible".

"The secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions". You're essentially on your own if discovered.

[Mike03]

39. Definitely: "You are disavowed"

This is totally fascinating. Why doesn't the CIA want all agents to be covert? What is the benefit to either the CIA or the agent to be NOC rather than some more protected status?

[nookiemonster]

48. There's more than just agents in the CIA.

Administrative and clerical types, for example. These folks would most likely have no need for "covert" status.

Security clearances take alot of time and money so I would assume that they would carry at least a "Confidential" clearance. Taking the steps above, "Secret" and then "Top Secret" aren't given out to just anybody.
There has to be a work related reason to carry these clearances.

[leftchick]

47. exactly

one has to be a very brave person to take on a position like that. And... patriotic! :patriot:

[Mike03]

49. "And Patriotic"

And look what Valery Plame got for her trouble--betrayal. Stabbed in the back. By the administration of her own country.

[mtpWriter]

50. Help a n00b out, please.

Why do we call Chris Matthews "Tweety"?

[leftchick]

51. Because he looks and acts like this...

on his best days...



Welcome to DU mtpWriter!

:)

[mtpWriter]

53. Okay, cool. I thought I was taking it too literally.

LOL! That's good. I'll never see him the same way again...if I ever watch again. He's a sellout.

[AZBlue]

52. Because that's all the Reps can do now: spin, spin, spin, lie, lie, lie